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1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

Hi there,

Had some misfires on my corsa B last week, then it fully cut out and wouldn't start again. There's no spark at the distributor cap.

I've tried replacing the ignition amplifier and coil and still no luck. The internet seems to suggest crankshaft sensor (and it doesn't smell of fuel when I try to start it) but I can't find the sensor for the life of me. Potentially it doesn't have one as it's a distributor cap model so timing is done by the rotor arm?

Any help greatly appreciated!!

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - elekie&a/c doctor
I would check to see if the distributor shaft is rotating . If it is , then it could be the pick up sensor in the-distributor . How many wires attached to it on the connector .
1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

Yup the distributor shaft rotates. Its a 3 pin connector going in to the distributor sensor cable. I'm also getting a single spark when I go from key off to ignition on (seen by connecting coil straight to an ignition light then a spark plug bypassing the distributor).

Do think I need to replace the distributor as the sensor could be dud? It looks like the distributor could be bent (picture to follow)

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

Yup the distributor shaft rotates. Its a 3 pin connector going in to the distributor sensor cable. I'm also getting a single spark when I go from key off to ignition on (seen by connecting coil straight to an ignition light then a spark plug bypassing the distributor).

Do think I need to replace the distributor as the sensor could be dud? It looks like the distributor could be bent (picture to follow)

imgur.com/a/Ycb3afg (see for images)

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - elekie&a/c doctor
Looks like a Bosch dizzy with a 3 pin Hall effect sensor . That timing rotor certainly is out of shape . It may have damaged the electronic pick up .
1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford
Looks like a Bosch dizzy with a 3 pin Hall effect sensor . That timing rotor certainly is out of shape . It may have damaged the electronic pick up .

I think so. The Haynes manual says that it's a hall effect in there that does the timing. I'll put in anew distributor and see how I go.

I found another similar post on here from 2007 which said it was the 3 pin wiring going to the distributor that was corroded was responsible. I had a look at yhr plug and mine seems fine so don't think it's that.

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - Railroad.

Remove the plug on the side of the distributor. On it you'll have three pins. They are + o - . Pull the main HT lead put of the distributor cap and secure it close to earth but not touching. Switch on the ignition and very briefly bridge terminals o and - together. This should trigger a spark. If it does the coil and module are working, so suspect a faulty Hall Sensor. Here is a way to revive the Hall Sensor if it's not working which works sometimes but not others. Try what I've said first though. Post back if you need it and I'll explain how to do it.

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

Remove the plug on the side of the distributor. On it you'll have three pins. They are + o - . Pull the main HT lead put of the distributor cap and secure it close to earth but not touching. Switch on the ignition and very briefly bridge terminals o and - together. This should trigger a spark. If it does the coil and module are working, so suspect a faulty Hall Sensor. Here is a way to revive the Hall Sensor if it's not working which works sometimes but not others. Try what I've said first though. Post back if you need it and I'll explain how to do it.

Yup I'm getting sparks when I short the pins on the connector. What's the fix to try?

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - Railroad.
Looks like a Bosch dizzy with a 3 pin Hall effect sensor . That timing rotor certainly is out of shape . It may have damaged the electronic pick up .

A Hall Sensor is a simple On/Off switch. That's all it does. Given that as you say the vane looks damaged the Hall Sensor will not switch because there is nothing to tell it to. Hence there will be no spark and no fuel injector pulse.

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - elekie&a/c doctor
Years ago it was possible to buy a dizzy repair kit from Bosch . Consisted of a new pick-up and timing rotor plus a few extra fittings. Not sure if this is still available . Take a look at the dizzy number and search the internet.
1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford
Years ago it was possible to buy a dizzy repair kit from Bosch . Consisted of a new pick-up and timing rotor plus a few extra fittings. Not sure if this is still available . Take a look at the dizzy number and search the internet.

I've got a whole new distributor on order for £45 which probably isn't much more than a kit would be (if they still make them!) . Would be good to try Railroads potential fix too thoogh

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - Railroad.
Would be good to try Railroads potential fix too thoogh

Unfortunately I posted that before I read the Doc's comment that the vane is damaged. That being the case the Hall Sensor may be physically damaged too, or it may be in good working order. But it won't switch on and off if the vane is damaged. If the vane was in good condition it'd be worth a try, but since it isn't there really is no point.

But for your information what you need to do is trigger a spark in the way I mentioned before and direct it into the terminal socket on the side of the distributor. I have got many vehicles with Hall Sensor faults going at the roadside by doing this, but it doesn't always work. Your Hall Sensor may not be faulty so I would recommend you don't do it. But you'd have nothing to lose if it was.

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

Ah ok. So it could potentially get it going once but in no way a permanent fix, and likely that the sensor isn't bust but the vane that the sensor is reading from is. New distributor it is.

It should arrive on Wednesday so I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks for all your help!

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

Ok so I put the new distributor on today and I think I'm really close. The car runs with the starter and is sparking properly, but as soon as the starter disengages it turns off. I think ii may have got the tdc alignment not quite right? The Haynes Manual mentions a notch in the rear cam belt cover that shows when 1 is at tdc but I can't find what it's on about.

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - bathtub tom

Does it have a 6v coil and ballast resistor? If so, the coil is fed directly from the starter motor circuit when starting and through the ballast resistor when running.

Cor! It's years since I dealt with one of those systems.

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - elekie&a/c doctor
None of that ballast gear on this . You can’t really go wrong fitting the dizzy . It has an offset drive dog that will only locate on the camshaft in one position. There is only a small amount of adjustment for the timing . Are you sure the ht leads are in the correct position?
1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

So the manual says firing order js 1,3,4,2 and the rotor goes anticlockwise (which is true from watching it. I have them plugged

3 1

4 2

Basically I'm not totally sure where position 1 should be. I've tried offsetting my pattern one rotation either way and it still hasn't fired properly. I'm also pretty sure my current setup is correct as the 2 ht lead isn't really long enough to go anywhere else. I think I'll give aligning the distributor again tomorrow in the daylight.

Where would I be able to see the "rear timing belt notch "? Right at the bottom of yhr engine behind the drivers side wheel?

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

So the manual says firing order js 1,3,4,2 and the rotor goes anticlockwise (which is true from watching it. I have them plugged

3 1

4 2

Basically I'm not totally sure where position 1 should be. I've tried offsetting my pattern one rotation either way and it still hasn't fired properly. I'm also pretty sure my current setup is correct as the 2 ht lead isn't really long enough to go anywhere else. I think I'll give aligning the distributor again tomorrow in the daylight.

Where would I be able to see the "rear timing belt notch "? Right at the bottom of yhr engine behind the drivers side wheel?

I've also had a look at an old picture I have of the engine bay and the order I have now is correct. Only thing not right is the king lead is plugged in the other way round. That's probably not important though?

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - elekie&a/c doctor
All genuine Bosch distributors have a #1 cylinder timing notch/mark on the perimeter face where the dizzy cap sits . The rotor arm needs to point to this mark when number 1 cylinder is on the firing stroke . Cheapo copy parts usually don’t have this mark . You can’t really go wrong with the dizzy installation, it will only fit in one way . It’s possible the new unit has been assembled incorrectly, so the timing is 180 degrees out . ( seen this before) . Try swapping the leads around 1and 4 , also 2 and 3 .
1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

So I've tried swapping the leads 180 and no joy. It definitely tries to start then dies. I've tried wiggling the dizzy a bit clockwise and a bit counterclockwise but it just doesn't fire up fully. I've tried multiple dizzy caps as well (I now have 3). Any more ideas?

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - elekie&a/c doctor
Are you sure the problem is related to the ignition system ? Was the engine running prior to you replacing the dizzy? How did the timing rotor on the old unit get distorted ? Never seen that happen .
1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

The engine was running a bit rough with occasional misfires. I took off the dizzy cap and rotor to try and clean off some of the carbon deposits on them.

Then the next day after taking the cap off, it just went from running fine to total power loss and wouldn't start again.

I think my method of getting the rotor arm off (prying against the ring) could have bent it, and when I took the dizzy off after it totally stalled the black ring cap bit wasn't seated properly.

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

See here for a video of it trying to start (hopefully it helps!)

imgur.com/a/P21nrAF

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - elekie&a/c doctor
Sounds like the engine could be flooded. Have you checked the spark plugs?
1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

I just left it to sit for an hour and tried starting, then tried starting with the AAs flooded engine start method but no joy. I can't check the plugs as I don't have a long enough socket. Surely it's unlikely that they'd all be dud?

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - bathtub tom

I reckon you need to get the plugs out and have a look. Surely a plug spanner's cheaper than a dizzy?

Is it turning over rather quickly, or is it a damn good battery? I'm thinking valves, hydraulic tappets or something around there. What's its service record and what's the oil like?

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - Big John

Have you put the plug leads back into their original position. You need to be careful not to introduce new problems!

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

Yup the leads are in the right place. I've checked against the Haynes Manual and an old photo of my engine bay (from when it worked!)

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

I also took this video last night of the spark plug light attached to cylinder 2 and trying to start. I've not used one before so does this look normal?

imgur.com/gallery/3y7JnRg

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - jc2
Fuel?
1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

There's definitely fuel in there as I can smell it after it fails to start.

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - blindspot

have you checked plugs are sparking by taking them out . resting against engine. in the dark. just to be sure

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

I have pulled the plugs out and they were carbon black. Have swapped them for brand new ones and she still won't start. I've also tried a second dizzy from a donor working car

1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - elekie&a/c doctor
I think you need to go back to basic checks . Start with the camshaft timing . Pull off the plastic top cover , rotate the engine so that the crankshaft timing mark is at tdc, then check the mark on the camshaft sprocket. If you have the workshop manual , it’s all in there .
1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - jc2
Had a problem on a Ohv Fiesta where fixing one problem caused a second worse problem.Engine would only run at near Full throttle,turned out to be complete blockage of idle system-fixed this and engine refused to start at all!All the mucking about had put 12v. thro' 8v coil and it gave up the ghost-another 8v coil fixed it.
1995 Corsa B 1.2 - Corsa B No Spark not starting - help appreciated! - David Berrisford

So I left the car overnight and gave it another go. Started a bit rough but works fine. Now she starts first time every time. Have now noticed that the head gasket is going though so the work continues! But at least it starts now so that's something!! Thanks for all your help guys. Still wonder what caused the dizzy rotor to bend though...