All the technology is already there, we just haven't seen it all integrated into one system so far.
What could possibly go wrong??
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I'll say fewer errors than relying solely on drivers.
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All the technology is already there, we just haven't seen it all integrated into one system so far.
What could possibly go wrong??
A fair bit if updating software isn't tested properly before its installed, thats without it going on roads its not familiar with, and, comes across obstacles not seen before- also going from A roads to a lane could pose problems for the sensors which has been mentioned before
even though Elon reckons full autonomy will be ready end of this year ?
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This is baby steps, the car doesn’t need to know where it is. It needs to be able to see lane markings and the vehicle in front, plus what’s alongside (and predicted to be alongside). All it needs to evaluate is its own bubble of space.
Anywhere near autonomous will depend on having a stable 5G network, and we know how well that’s going...
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All the technology is already there, we just haven't seen it all integrated into one system so far.
What could possibly go wrong??
Indeed.
I've been driving the new technology for quite a while now over many thousands of miles, i've probably had around a dozen full braking incidents for no good reason, thankfully no accidents (but won't that be fun in the snow), the blasted lane departure vibrator thing is a pita and you end up switching the garbage off.
The latest tech to maintain lane control must have some input of the steering as well as applying the brakes, good luck with that when, in the words of the late Lud, formerly of this parish, your car decides to drive up a tree.
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I've been driving the new technology for quite a while now over many thousands of miles, i've probably had around a dozen full braking incidents for no good reason, thankfully no accidents (but won't that be fun in the snow), the blasted lane departure vibrator thing is a pita and you end up switching the garbage off.
I have driven about 75,000 miles in a car equipped with forward radar, lane keeping assist (including steering the car automatically to keep in the lane) and rear radar BLIS and cross traffic alert.
Never had an issue or false alarm with any of the features. Maybe the different manufacturers versions give different results?
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i've probably had around a dozen full braking incidents for no good reason,
Great to have a first hand view of someone who has actually used the system. Only by reading drivers experiences can others get a picture of what is happening, but how do you relate this to the legislators. I have read that systems can be activated by something as simple as a plastic bag blowing across the road let alone your experience of " no reason" for the braking system to activate. Also read stories of the "radar" system needing to be re calibrating by dealers which I find worrying. How does the system on you car cope on a motorway when someone cuts you up. You frequently see some go from lane three straight across you to exit the slip road? Also what happens when the line markers run out. It is also proposed that the system they are looking at might allow you to take your hands off the steering wheel but what happens if you suddenly need to change direction due to another vehicle wandering. The question of insurance liability is also being considered whether the driver or the system maker is accountable.
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To be fair i haven't had any unwarranted harsh brakes on a motorway, other lorry drivers have, one make has numerous reports of lorries braking violently just before passing under some motorway bridges.
My harsh brake moments are on usually narrower roads, say you are working your way along a road past parked vehicles and have to perform a slight chicane to get around a keep left bollard, you might have to be heading towards an obstacle and then move over, the vehicle doesn't know you are in control it just sees something ahead and assumes you are going to hit it, hence hard application of brakes...very unwanted at that moment.
I can more or less tell when they are likely to happen, but me being prepared isn't much help to the poor blighter behind, the other instances are where people slow down to make a left turn ahead, you the driver are timing things nicely so you don't need to slow to nearly a stop, not talking about just missing the back of the vehicle as it leaves the road either.
I'm against this half baked driver not in control yet still responsible system they appear to have semi planned...it's like those platoon convoys (that never happened and all has gone quiet there too after much headline cobblers), you're supposed to drive along really close to the vehicle in front, yet ready and able at a moments notice to take over and save the day when error 404 appears, well best of luck with that when you have no field of vision and have been vegetating day dreaming for miles on end...do you hard brake swerve left swerve right.
I suspect these reports of jam almost tomorrow are more eyewash designed to keep the funds rolling in for those involved in designing and trialling these things, when it actually happens i'll believe it, nice work if you can get it eh playing with these things beats the hell out of days hard graft every time.
Edited by gordonbennet on 19/08/2020 at 18:11
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What about the folk that will think it's perfectly legal to drive 'no hands' in any old car? I'm thinking about the muppets I see going past my window on the pavements, on electric scooters whilst texting. They claim "they're legal now".
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I'm thinking about the awaiting statistics I see going past my window on the pavements, on electric scooters whilst texting.
Fixed that for you hope you don't mind :-)
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I'm against this half baked driver not in control yet still responsible system they appear to have semi planned...it's like those platoon convoys (that never happened and all has gone quiet there too after much headline cobblers), you're supposed to drive along really close to the vehicle in front, yet ready and able at a moments notice to take over and save the day when error 404 appears, well best of luck with that when you have no field of vision and have been vegetating day dreaming for miles on end...do you hard brake swerve left swerve right.
Exactly. They are talking about drivers remaining vigilant ready to take over. That just won't happen, you might as well have your hands on the wheel and your foot on the accelerator in the first place. Remaining ready to intervene can be no less tiring than actually driving so the reality is that we will have to trust the automatics.
I have no real experience. I hired a car in NI a couple of years ago with smart cruise control and it was poor...it braked when I was covering the brake anyway, twice in a few miles, and so I turned it off. Lane keeping is dreadful, I drove an MX-5 with it - I will use the width of the road on bends if I can see properly and right in the middle of this the damn thing started bleeping. There'll be a lot of lines to repaint too.
Of course, it will come. And it will mostly work. Eventually. And another source of satisfaction, please even, will have been removed.
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Driverless will happen - and much sooner than most think.
Humans get tired, drunk, emotional, angy, aggressive etc. Because individuals are unique, their weaknesses are exposed in different ways.
Driverless relies upon getting the systems right - they will then comfortably outperform their human equivalents.
Depending on the regulatory environment in the UK, much of the development may happen overseas. This may be an opportunity missed for leadership in a key future technology.
Driverless vehicles will be equipped with a huge number of sensors and a memory chip to record all the data. ANY accident will be capable of analysis in a way which the normal distorted and skewed recollections of human beings is quite incapable.
In 10-15 years there will be calls for all vehicles to be driverless as humans simply cause far too many accidents!
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Driverless will happen - and much sooner than most think.
Our roads are too narrow, too undulating, too short the open sections, the weather too changeable, but the biggest issue is the country is overcrowded and getting worse by the day.
My opinion is that it might happen one day, but that day is decades away and much can happen in the meantime to derail this nightmarish utopian vision from ever happening at all.
Edited by gordonbennet on 20/08/2020 at 20:04
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much can happen in the meantime to derail this nightmarish utopian vision from ever happening at all.
What is nightmarish about computers driving cars much more safely then humans? A massive reduction in deaths/accidents and injuries.
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Humans get tired, drunk, emotional, angry, aggressive etc. Because individuals are unique, their weaknesses are exposed in different ways.
You missed out arrogant, self interested and money grabbing. Anything the government sanctions will probably go wrong, A levels, virus in care homes, smart motorways, the list is endless. There is even some bright spark contemplating dedicated lanes for this technology probably been talking to Cummings who is running the country while Boris is camping
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There is even some bright spark contemplating dedicated lanes for this technology
Do you have a link to that?
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How does the software cope with wet roads, or worn out lane markings? Does the (hands off) driver have to take control, or does the thing come to a shuddering halt?
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Hackers seem to have no problems getting into the computer systems of big business, they have even hacked the Pentagon. They or terrorists would have a field day with vehicles! The idea of convoys of computer controlled lorries running on the motorways seems to have died a death
What is the time to react to an emergency if the driver's hands are not on the steering wheel and he is reading the Times or does this bit not matter because the car is doing the braking How does the computer car react if it is side swiped, can it react quick enough to get out of the way? And what happens if has nowhere to go. I cannot see how you can safely mix these tech cars and normal ones
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Hackers seem to have no problems getting into the computer systems of big business, they have even hacked the Pentagon. They or terrorists would have a field day with vehicles! The idea of convoys of computer controlled lorries running on the motorways seems to have died a death
What is the time to react to an emergency if the driver's hands are not on the steering wheel and he is reading the Times or does this bit not matter because the car is doing the braking How does the computer car react if it is side swiped, can it react quick enough to get out of the way? And what happens if has nowhere to go. I cannot see how you can safely mix these tech cars and normal ones
No link about the dedicated lane?
Computers control and run aeroplanes - they are not constantly being hacked and crashed.
The idea of convoys is still there - why do you think it's died a death?
You are correct about reaction times - if the computer is in control it does not matter what the driver is doing.
A computer will be able to drive much better than any person can - that will take a while to come but you can see from the autonomous cars that are available now how far they have come.
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I suspect that the broad task of driving in traffic on roads - wet, dry, foggy, worn out markings etc - will be overcome first.
The more difficult may be the apparently trivial - eg:
- I want to go to a particular shop. I tell the car the post code. I end up in the delivery yard not the front entrance.
- I go to see a friend. The car delivers me to the address. Does it park me on the drive or at the roadside.
- I want to stop to collect some dry cleaning. There is no where to park other than on a double yellow. How do I persuade the car to risk a parking fine.
- Usual technique in congested car parks is to wait until another vehicle leaves. Car wants to divert to the nearest available space (via 5G) 400 yards away, it's raining.
- On a narrow road an oncoming car flashes its headlights which may often be interpreted as "after you". The highway code thinks otherwise.
- etc etc
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I suspect that the broad task of driving in traffic on roads - wet, dry, foggy, worn out markings etc - will be overcome first.
The more difficult may be the apparently trivial - eg:
- I want to go to a particular shop. I tell the car the post code. I end up in the delivery yard not the front entrance.
- I go to see a friend. The car delivers me to the address. Does it park me on the drive or at the roadside.
- I want to stop to collect some dry cleaning. There is no where to park other than on a double yellow. How do I persuade the car to risk a parking fine.
- Usual technique in congested car parks is to wait until another vehicle leaves. Car wants to divert to the nearest available space (via 5G) 400 yards away, it's raining.
- On a narrow road an oncoming car flashes its headlights which may often be interpreted as "after you". The highway code thinks otherwise.
- etc etc
I think these sort of questions are where it starts to get more difficult to develop the systems that there are now. This is where a human can deal better with those situations and I think it will be many years before cars can do all the above...not sure they will ever park on double yellows though!
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Most of these require only two very simple changes to the 100% driverless technology - human joystick control for up to (say) 10mph only, human voice recognition and override- in which case the human becomes accountable for the consequences (eg parking infringements).
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