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luxury car under 4K ideas??? - Boss Hog

can anyone advise on a decent luxury car for under 4k something we a v6 preferably.

must seat 4 at least

Ideas appreciated

Thank you

Edited by Boss Hog on 22/06/2020 at 11:04

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - daveyjp

Plenty of choice of Jags, Mercs, BMWs, Audis.

Remember a 4k luxury car will always have luxury car repair costs, so a local specialist is well worth having and this may influence the marque you go for.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - 64bit

Why do you say that?

what is about an older lexus that will need more expensive repairs that say an older mondeo?

thety all need oil changes once in a while what else do you have to do to luxury cars that you dont have to do to any car?

why will an older lexus break down and need repairs more often that an older vectra or honda?

The only thing I see is that a six cylinder need a little more oil and a couple of extra spark plugs every 10 to 20,000 miles.

Lets face it no one will be going tom the dealers to get it fixed so normal service charges at about £40 hour will usually apply.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - Zippy123

Why do you say that?

what is about an older lexus that will need more expensive repairs that say an older mondeo?

Put simply, car parts prices will be more expensive. Think Mondeo alternator £150, BMW 5 series £500.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - iFocus

Why do you say that?

what is about an older lexus that will need more expensive repairs that say an older mondeo?

Put simply, car parts prices will be more expensive. Think Mondeo alternator £150, BMW 5 series £500.

Where are you getting that Mondeo alternator from? Try £300+ for a Ford alternator these days...

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - John F

At that price it will be old, so I would go for an all aluminium Audi A8 with a ZF tiptronic, not the multitronic, gearbox.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - nellyjak

Or consider a Lexus LS400/430 and enjoy V8 power and Lexus reliability...BUT..as said previously, there is always a risk with "expensive when new" luxury cars ..they can bite yer bum,!!

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - RT

At that price it will be old, so I would go for an all aluminium Audi A8 with a ZF tiptronic, not the multitronic, gearbox.

The danger there is that a simple bump could write the car off as body repairs are expensive

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - daveyjp

To be fair that applies to almost any £4k car.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - Terry W

There is no such thing as a decent (reliable, cheap to run etc) luxury car for below £4k. Luxury cars below £4k are normally:

  • 15+ years old or
  • poorly regarded, or
  • have a reputation as money pits or
  • with significant existing faults

They are cheap for a reason

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - 64bit

I beg to differ, why do you say that? if your someone who only buys new or slighty new I understand but loads of people buy cars that are 15 to 20 years old.

So why would say a lexus thats 15 years old be more trouble than a vectra or mondeo?

What is it about a nicely speeced leather interior car that will be more of problem than something else?

Sure these car cost a little more to run and an oil change is about 25|% more but seriously what happens to to luxury cars that doesn't to others?

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - Engineer Andy

I beg to differ, why do you say that? if your someone who only buys new or slighty new I understand but loads of people buy cars that are 15 to 20 years old.

So why would say a lexus thats 15 years old be more trouble than a vectra or mondeo?

What is it about a nicely speeced leather interior car that will be more of problem than something else?

Sure these car cost a little more to run and an oil change is about 25|% more but seriously what happens to to luxury cars that doesn't to others?

Because a high-specced (lots of fancy electronics) car has more to go wrong when it gets older- these parts and tech do wear out you know. And as others have said, with 'premium' brands come premium prices of parts and (if you use a main dealer or a specialist over a general garage) higher labour costs.

Insurance will also be a LOT higher due to the price of such parts and labour if repairs were needed after an accident.

If you're on a tight budget (e.g. £4k for the purchase price), then you don't buy a complex car that was expensive when new. You use the K.I.S.S. methodology. Realistically only Lexus, and perhaps, to a lesser extent, BMW, are cars that can last a long time before their internal components need replacing (at great cost).

Even then, it is inherrantly more risky as the car ages, and you ain't gonna get much of either for £4k, unless it is quite old indeed, and thus at a time when parts are failing more often, not just standard wear and tear items like tyre, brakes and suspension parts.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - Engineer Andy

can anyone advise on a decent luxury car for under 4k something we a v6 preferably.

must seat 4 at least

Ideas appreciated

Thank you

If you cannot afford the likely huge insurance, fuel, servicing and repair bills that will likely come with owning a car that originally cost (in today's money) £40k, £50k or higher, then don't get one.

Too many people buy an older luxury car which they cannot afford to run once the first wear and tear big bill comes in, often because they spent all their money on buying, insuring/taxing and fueling it. Then you've just wasted £4k in one or two years and you have nothing to show for it, especially if the parts to be replaced cost (likely a lot) more than the car is now worth.

No such thing as cheap luxury motoring, even with a Lexus (which is as close as you're going to get).

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - gordonbennet

My money would be going on one of the very rare noughties versions of Toyota Camry, it's as near a Lexus as your going to get but without the price tag.

Left field choice Hyundai Grandeur, 2 of which are for sale on ebay currently, one of which being a 2010 model with broken taped up sunroof for £2k and not great mot history, the other a 07 model has a very good MOT history @ £3k.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - Steveieb

Which A8 engine would you recommend John F and how can you tell the car has a ZF gearbox ?

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - John F

Which A8 engine would you recommend John F and how can you tell the car has a ZF gearbox ?

The one in mine, the W12, of course! But seriously, even the smallest engine, the old 2.8 V6 with the ZF box, has enough power for most people. For other cars It should say on the details which gearbox it has. As well as more reliable than the multitronic, the ZF box requires no maintenance unless it has been worked exceptionally hard.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - pd

My choice would be a Jaguar XF 3.0d Premium Luxury. You could have found one I suspect for under £4k pre-CV19 although I admit might not be so easy now.

Should be able to get one with about 120-130k on it for that price. They're really good cars and the car Jaguar finally got 100% right.

You could also probably get a nice E60 higher spec 5-Series from 08/09 ish in that budget.

Aforementioned A8 plus usual 7 Series, Lexus also all worth a look.

Edited by pd on 23/06/2020 at 09:53

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - pd

. As well as more reliable than the multitronic, the ZF box requires no maintenance unless it has been worked exceptionally hard.

Audi say it needs no maintenance. ZF begs to differ. Well worth a fluid change on them at about 80k if you plan to take them to high mileage.

The 6-speed ZF box is not unknown for eating its self at 120-130k, particularly in earlier (2003-2006 ish) variants,

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - John F

The 6-speed ZF box is not unknown for eating its self at 120-130k, particularly in earlier (2003-2006 ish) variants

It was the reliable ZF 5HP in some early A8s. But apparently over 7 million of the excellent later 6HP boxes were made for many types of fast powerful cars, so it is hardly surprising that a few went wrong, probably mainly in the hands of unsympathetic drivers.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - 64bit

beg to differ, why do you say that? if your someone who only buys new or slighty new I understand but loads of people buy cars that are 15 to 20 years old.

So why would say a lexus thats 15 years old be more trouble than a vectra or mondeo?

What is it about a nicely speeced leather interior car that will be more of problem than something else?

Sure these car cost a little more to run and an oil change is about 25|% more but seriously what happens to to luxury cars that doesn't to others?

Brake discs cost about 30% more as well as pads that a mondeo, i have checked.

also had a look on auto trader lexus gs300 2007 going for about 4K

full history and lexus engine good for about 200,000 easy

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - Avant
The crucial point here is the one that Daveyjp made at the top of the thread: "Remember a 4k luxury car will always have luxury car repair costs".

You need to think what your actual needs are from a car: room for 4 we know but what else? Engine power? Fuel economy? Ride comfort? Comfy seats? Posh interior?

Condition matters more than make or model, but the best compromises may well be the Toyota Camry, Honda Accord (or Legend if you can find one) or Hyundai Sonata. The Mazda Xedos was a good car but these are fairly ancient now and rare.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - badbusdriver

Given your username, here is my suggestion,

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cadillac-Seville-4-5-V8-auto-fu...5

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - 64bit

Thats a bit uncalled for. are you suggesting certain cars are for certain people?

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - SLO76
Can be done but only buy if you can afford to write it off if anything major fails. I’d also advise buying depending on what local specialists are available too as these are usually complex cars which smaller garages rarely understand. A cheap £100 service at a fast fit centre or Joe Blogs backstreet oil den isn’t going to cut it. You need someone who really knows what they’re doing and a main dealer would be far too expensive.

I’d buy on condition and history before age or mileage and I’d prefer a private sale where you get to meet the last owner face to face and ask them direct questions instead of listening to a salesman's lies. Plus at this money you won’t be looking at larger dealers or approved used, it’ll be dodgy backstreet lots who are notoriously untrustworthy and the cars will all be auction bought and likely had value added with faked service records, which is very common on cheaper luxury or performance cars. The warranties won’t be worth the paper they’re printed on either with impossible terms in the small print and claims limits which wouldn’t cover any moderate to major failures.

When scrutinising the service history don’t call the number on the stamps in the book, google the garage to see if it even exists and call the number you find then ask if they’ve any record of swing the car. You’ll be amazed by the volume of cars I’ve stood and watched passing through auctions with no or next to no history which appear for sale shortly after with a now full history book. It’s an easy way to add value.

Let me know roughly where you are and I’ll search for a few worthies.

Edited by SLO76 on 23/06/2020 at 16:41

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - pd

I'm sorry but I would not put something like a Hyundai Sonata or a Camry in the "luxury" car bracket. In the case of the Hyundai it's not even reliable - nor are the later Honda Legends. They're also rare cars so if they do go wrong parts are horrendous, you can't get secondhand bits and there is no established user base which has found out how to fix things on the cheap.

Stick to something common - BMW 5/7, Jaguar XF/XJ, Audi A6/A8, Mercedes E/S etc. These are known cars there is a big support base for.

If you do a bit of research, use knowledge on user forums etc. you'll be able to find out most of the pitfalls before buying. A lot of the maintenance these cars need isn't a lot worse than anything else.

Find one which looks like it has been cared for in a reasonable manner. Check the basics all work - it doesn't matter if a rear camera is dodgy but you want the aircon functioning. Always check autos carefully before purchase. Drive it, if it feels wrong don't buy.

As I said above my current smoker barge favourite just coming into price range is the XF 3.0d. Try and find a Premium Luxury or Portofio rather than Luxury which lacks some odd things. Look out for split thermostat housings, failed alternators, aircon not cold, exhaust leaks by catalyst and worn suspension. If it doesn't steer and handle brilliantly there is something wrong. The ride is always on the firm side. They're also oddly prone to brake sensors going saying it needs new pads when it doesn't. Cambelt due at 108k so look out for that. On the whole though solid cars.

Edited by pd on 23/06/2020 at 16:58

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - 64bit

Thank you good advice.

I will be doing about 5k a year so fuel is not really an issue just want a nice older car to drive for a few years.

cant believe all the people telling me its not possible they all will be to costly and have issues all the time.

I cant really see why they would have any more issues than any other car to be honest.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - Andrew-T

I can't really see why they would have any more issues than any other car to be honest.

I don't think anyone says that - just that any 'issues' will cost more to fix than on other cars.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - SLO76
“ I cant really see why they would have any more issues than any other car to be honest.”

They’re more complex and parts are more expensive so when they do go wrong they’re much more expensive to put right and many small garages haven’t a clue what they’re doing with them. Don’t buy it if you’re on a tight budget but I know many very wealthy people who buy cars like this for a bit of luxury then throw it away when something major fails. They don’t waste money on hugely expensive new luxury cars. Sometimes it works and they get years out of them and others it expires in a cloud of smoke a week after they bought it. Don’t expect much from warranties on older prestige stuff like this either, it’s simply not possible to cover them fully.

The best bet for reliability is a 6cyl Lexus petrol, I’d forget complicated hybrids or turbo diesels at this money. A good S-Type Jag 2.5/3.0 can be ok too. A good E39 BMW 5 series is a solid car but the later model is prone to complex electric faults. An Audi A8 could be ok but again they’re expensive for parts and pretty complex in high spec plus alloy bodywork means dearer insurance and hassles if it has even minor crash repairs.

To me a good compromise would be a Honda Accord 2.4 EX auto. Loads of toys, leather and a decent bit class yet it’ll be reliable and will do 30-35mpg which is a good bit better than the 6cyl stuff you’re thinking of.

I just found a great car on Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20200619030...7

Edited by SLO76 on 23/06/2020 at 18:58

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - 64bit

thank you,

what would be more complex??

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - John F

thank you,......what would be more complex??

On the A8, the running gear and air suspension. Search for Audi SSP 285 and SSP 292 to study them.

My nearly 15 year old A8 started to sag at the front overnight a few months ago. I diagnosed a leaky offside front strut. The soapy water test indicates a failed top O ring rather than the bottom O ring or air bag itself. I suspect this is a weak point common failure. I managed to partially cure it with some industrial grade sealant injected into the top of the turret. It now takes over 48hrs to sink. To save the compressor and its relay I now leave the car in 'jack mode' so the system only has to refill the strut on start-up. Otherwise lots more air is wasted from the highly pressurised accumulator as the car vainly keeps trying to level itself overnight. Then the compressor has to work overtime to refill the accumulator as well as the strut airbag. But eventually I might have to replace the strut, because if a leak becomes greater, the overworked compressor is likely to fail, despite its thermal cut-out switch to protect it from overheating.

Apologies if too technical for this section!

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - 64bit

I agree with what your saying but I dont know anyone who takes 15 to 20 year cars to the dealer so all these car running now are being easily serviced at local reputable garages.

Sure once in a while some of these Marques have an issue that not worth fixing but the majority are fine.

Some car like the E39 can do starship mileages easily as with Volvos.

Luxury cars with about 100,000 miles left I believe have loads of life in them still.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - badbusdriver

Thats a bit uncalled for. are you suggesting certain cars are for certain people?

Don't understand your comment at all, what do you mean?.

Boss Hogg was a character on the Dukes of Hazzard, never seen without his trademark white suit and drove a white Cadillac, albeit a convertible.

You say you want a luxury car for less than £4k?, well the Caddy i posted a link to is most certainly luxurious and has more than 4 seats. OK it is a V8 rather than a V6 but personally i would consider that a plus rather than a minus.

I assumed with that username you must have had a sense of humour (and been familiar with who Boss Hogg was) but apologies for the offence i appear to have caused.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - Metropolis.
Agree with BBD here, and that caddy is a good call! Not sure how anyone can be offended by a Cadillac unless your first name is Greta
luxury car under 4K ideas??? - badbusdriver

A few other less obvious choices,

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20200604980...1

Near 300bhp, 4wd along with Honda reliability.

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20200114615...1

Plenty luxury, superb seats.

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20200122645...2

Very well equipped, very reliable, quick and excellent handling.

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volvo-960-CD/174302194944?hash=...n

Bargain basement Volvo 960. 160k miles, so just run in. It's hip to be square!.

Edited by badbusdriver on 23/06/2020 at 20:47

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - 64bit

thank you for finding those they are woth a look.

Thank you all for your imput.

I found a brilliant Lexus gs300 now cheers.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - Metropolis.
Ummmm, why is 64bit writing like he or she is the OP?
luxury car under 4K ideas??? - nellyjak
Ummmm, why is 64bit writing like he or she is the OP?

Agree...strange new posts and/or posters seem to love to inhabit this site.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - SLO76
Ummmm, why is 64bit writing like he or she is the OP?

Thanks for mentioning, I’ve been wasting my time answering this guy and his increasingly stupid questions. Asking what’s more complex about a top of the line luxury exec compared to a normal family car was the last straw for me. Clearly trolling.
luxury car under 4K ideas??? - gordonbennet

Thanks for mentioning, I’ve been wasting my time answering this guy and his increasingly stupid questions. Asking what’s more complex about a top of the line luxury exec compared to a normal family car was the last straw for me. Clearly trolling.

Surely SLO you're not suggesting a luxo barge would be more likely to have more complicated issues, or pray be more difficult or costly to put right, than an Aygo? :-))

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - SLO76
“ Surely SLO you're not suggesting a luxo barge would be more likely to have more complicated issues, or pray be more difficult or costly to put right, than an Aygo? :-))”

I know! How can this possibly be? :-)

Edited by SLO76 on 24/06/2020 at 08:38

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - thunderbird
“ Surely SLO you're not suggesting a luxo barge would be more likely to have more complicated issues, or pray be more difficult or costly to put right, than an Aygo? :-))” I know! How can this possibly be? :-)

Over the past few weeks we have spotted that our local plod have started to buy Toyota Aygo's as their car of choice. The sight of a jam sandwich liveried one of those behind me would have me quaking if I was a member of the criminal classes.

Obviously the plod think they are better than the ubiquitous 3 series estate or X5.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - gordonbennet

Over the past few weeks we have spotted that our local plod have started to buy Toyota Aygo's as their car of choice. The sight of a jam sandwich liveried one of those behind me would have me quaking if I was a member of the criminal classes.

Obviously the plod think they are better than the ubiquitous 3 series estate or X5.

Sensible plod, the days of sweeney style chases are coming to an end, various apps and constant phone tracking, the soon to be ending of cash, facial recognition, nano spyware in the coming vaccine etc etc teh days of freedom/privacy are over, an Aygo will be more than adequate transport to pick up the miscreant when convenient at a fraction of the cost of less reliable premium German machinery,

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - 72 dudes

Bbd, I find that S80 seriously tempting!

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - 64bit

ok i et yes I understand

i thought initially you meant a old dumb ass caddy but yes the character drove yanks.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - Ethan Edwards

OK but I understand his needs. I too need a used Luxury vehicle for £1,000 or less. Under two years old. 0 to 60 in 3 seconds or less which does 80mpg or better. Costs pennies to insure. Super cheap on maintainence . Fully loaded great stereo and it should have a Prestige badge on it. oh and I'd like it in Black with Gold stripes. please can any of the Back Roomers tell me where I might find such?

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 24/06/2020 at 08:35

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - pd

Lexus always a good shout. GS300 well worth a look.

E39 a lovely car but very old and almost reaching classic status needing that level of commitment. They are going up in value and a nice 530i Sport would be a good investment. They are more fragile than the later E60 which is underrated.

Accord 2.4 I guess you're on the cusp of models. The latter car isn't a great car IMO although well built. It is a cheaper and lower quality car (albeit OK screwed together) than the predecessor with some horrible design features (try changing a bulb on one).

These cars are no where near as difficult to run as some think as long as you use the information out there and in particular research fixes for the common faults. If you're lazy and just take everything to a dealer they'll cost. Always go in with eyes open and if the gearbox goes pop it'll write it off but that applies to a Focus or Mondeo these days as well.

Edited by pd on 24/06/2020 at 09:04

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - corax

The drivetrain of the car should be OK, it's the gadgets like the electro pneumatic back massager or the fans blowing through the perforated seats for ventilating businessmens backsides, an electric seat failing just at the point when the seven foot driver sold it.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - pd

If an electric seat goes then assuming you've bought something reasonably common you'll be done the breakers or more likely on eBay picking up a used motor.

That's why I'm sorry but obscure cars like Legends or Subarus are terrible choices IMO because they are a nightmare to keep going without spending a fortune. The Legend in particular has a terrible reputation. Every little bit they'll be main dealer only, no one else will have ever seen one and if you want to find out common fixes you'll need to consult people in California or Osaka.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - Avant

"Boss Hog" and "64bit" from their Email addresses, which I have access to but obviously don't publish, are from the same computing company, possibly the same person.

Nothing wrong with that provided they don't try to advertise anything.

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - Terry W

A few generalisations:

  • old cars (15 years +) go wrong more frequently than new cars
  • luxury cars cost more to run - fuel, servicing, tyres etc
  • luxury cars cost far more to fix

They are not a rational choice for anybody financially stretched but:

  • they are a nice place to be
  • if only used for low miles then running costs may be an indulgence, not a problem
  • a lucky buy doing low miles may give a few years fun - unlucky and its scrap

I have been tempted with similar - albeit convertible - for occasional summer use only. CV-19 has sadly intervened this year!

luxury car under 4K ideas??? - barney100

Merc CLK? Coupe or convertible.