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Change name on PCN - Epabak Jotona

Hi all,
I'm looking for your help with a very serious issue, which looks very minor in the first place.

I recently stopped in a bus stop for a few seconds to drop off a passenger. A few days later, a PCN came to our address. But because my wife is the registered keeper of the car, the PCN is issued to her name despite me being the driver at the time. For clarification, this is the only car we own and we share it together.

The problem here is that, for a very specific reason, this PCN could have very serious consequences for my wife. So I need to change the name on the PCN to myself because I was the driver of the car at the time and I have 3 witnesses (who were in the car at that time) to testify that. However, the issuing council says that according to the London Authorities Act 1996 (amended in 2000) the owner will be liable for any PCNs issued to this vehicle. But I know that the council has the right to change it, should they wish to do so. I just need to find a way to convince them and they should appreciate that, in this particular case, the consequences for my wife will be far greater than just the financial liabilities.

Does anyone know what ground I should base my argument on and how possibly I can change the name on the PCN? Any advice is highly appreciated.

Kind regards,
Epabak

Change name on PCN - Falkirk Bairn

It's a parking charge from the council.

It's not a driving offence & points on licence issue

Pay the parking charge and your problem disappears - it is irrelevant who pays - it;s the council after money - they will take anybody's - your aunt, your granny or you.

Change name on PCN - Bromptonaut

I think the Council (or TfL) are right; the Keeper is liable. The only get outs for that are around (a) hire cars and (b) where vehicle changed hands very shortly before/after the alleged infringement and PCN goes to vendor rather than purchaser or Vice Versa.

As FB says it is a Penalty Charge Notice for a parking or bus lane infringement. It's not a criminal matter; the whole rationale for Civil Parking Enforcement (ie by the Council/TfL etc) is to stop this stuff cluttering up Police offices and Magistrates Courts. It it's paid promptly then it's done dusted and forgotten. The only way it becomes a problem is if it's unpaid and goes to the Traffic Enforcement Centre where it will be equivalent to a County Court Judgement.

In my (extensive) experience the main reason they end up at enforcement is because they've been ignored or the Keeper has been faffing around using anything but the proper route of informal then formal representations followed by appeal to the adjudicator.

Two questions for Epabak :

(A) Can you expand on what consequences might follow for your wife and why? and;

(B) What are the grounds on which you state that you know the council can change it?

Edited by Bromptonaut on 08/03/2020 at 15:24

Change name on PCN - Epabak Jotona

Hi Bromptonaut,

Thank you for the response.

With regard to question (A), unfortunately I can't disclose too much. But basically, she needs to go through a background check process for a particular matter and the organisation that is conducting the check is very particular about how the individuals in question are respecting the law. So even a very minor motoring offence like this matters.

In answer to your question (B), I called London Tribunal and they said that although it's not common, the council has the power to change the name if they with to do so.

Change name on PCN - Bromptonaut

Hi Bromptonaut,

Thank you for the response.

With regard to question (A), unfortunately I can't disclose too much. But basically, she needs to go through a background check process for a particular matter and the organisation that is conducting the check is very particular about how the individuals in question are respecting the law. So even a very minor motoring offence like this matters.

In answer to your question (B), I called London Tribunal and they said that although it's not common, the council has the power to change the name if they with to do so.

I would state with a reasonable degree of confidence that a background check would not be able to find a promptly paid 'parking ticket' issued by a Council.

Over the last 25-30 years first in London and later outside of it parking, bus lane infringements and even some moving traffic matters like disobeying turn restrictions have ceased to be offences. Rather, they are treated as 'infringements' and are a Civil rather than Criminal matter. The fact that disputes go to either London Tribunals or The Traffic Penalties Tribunal rather than the Magistrates Court is a consequence of that change.

I think you should just pay this ASAP, preferably while you can still get a discount, and put it behind you.

If London Tribunals have said there are circumstances in which the NTO can be sent to someone other than the keeper then I bow to their knowledge. I think however that will only occur in exceptional circumstances.

We got a parking ticket in similar circumstances in Lincolns Inn about 18 months ago. I was driving my partner's Berlingo. She got the PCN and was the appellant before the tribunal (we contested it for poor marking of bays) but I represented her, with her signed authority, and went to the hearing alone

Change name on PCN - HGV ~ P Valentine

Hello,

I would not waste time changing the details because if you do that you will lose the discount, I would suggest you either pay it or give her the money and then she pays it. If you want to argue the case I think you can argue it afterwards, but by your description you have already said the car was in the bus stop, It is only for buses and even delivery drivers are not allowed to use them.

The pcn will have no affect on your license or hers, as already stated you will not get points on your licence, and no note will be made of it on your driving record.

Edited by A Driver since 1988, HGV 2006 on 08/03/2020 at 16:22

Change name on PCN - Dag Hammar

I posted a comment yesterday which I thought may be of some help. I’ve now deleted it for the following reason.

This morning I see that on the website consumeractiongroup.co.uk Epabak has posted the same question, word for word.

Edited by Dag Hammar on 09/03/2020 at 08:58

Change name on PCN - Epabak Jotona

Hi Dag,

Thanks for the comment. I am natuarallu desperate for an answer and of course have tried different forums to find an answer. It will be word for word, as it the same case. Is this a violation of terms of use?

Thanks,

Epabak

Edited by Epabak Jotona on 09/03/2020 at 11:03

Change name on PCN - Bromptonaut

Hi Dag,

Thanks for the comment. I am natuarallu desperate for an answer and of course have tried different forums to find an answer. It will be word for word, as it the same case. Is this a violation of terms of use?

Thanks,

Epabak

I've seen the message in Consumer Action Group too. Not sure about what this site's T&C's say but I don't see any issue at all if people ask a question in more than one place.

I cannot add anything to what I've already said. I note though that Michael Browne, who seems to be a respected poster on CAG, makes same point I have; if you spend too long faffing with this it will go to enforcement.

If that happens then (a) it will cost you/your wife a lot of money as the penalty increases and bailiff charges are added and (b) the debt becomes a matter of record and you risk exactly the consequence you seek to avoid.

Even the most regulated profession is not going to be bothered by a Civil Penalty for parking.

Change name on PCN - Epabak Jotona

Thank you Bromptonaut. Yes, this is a good point and I am aware not to lose the window for the payment. Fingers crossed.

Change name on PCN - Avant

No it isn't. We have to be careful as there are people who post on here trying to sell us things without paying for advertising: but provided that it's a genuine enquiry, there's no problem.

Edited by Avant on 09/03/2020 at 15:35

Change name on PCN - Epabak Jotona

Thanks so much Avant. I can reassure you that it's a geniune enquiry. The only reason for me posting in different forums is that I was worried and just wanted to maximise the audience.