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Mon 13 Jan 2020 07:11
Any - Air quality - JonestHon

In light of the changing regulatory environment in controlling air quality let's play the axing lottery and guess which ICE models will be pulled out of the UK market this year.

Saw this revelation on Autoexpress and other media outlets and I was also wondering how it will affect the makers position for manufacturing here this year, I have two dear family members employed in the Toyota supply chain so hopefully it will come to little effect.

www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/13/polluting...s

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Mon 13 Jan 2020 09:00
Any - Air quality - jc2

It's likely to be large vehicles-if the manufactuter has a balanced offering(large and small),they should be OK.

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Mon 13 Jan 2020 11:38
Any - Air quality - madf

Toyota offer its 4x4 RAV4 as a hybrid..That is its largest 4x4x. Lexus ones are hybrids..

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Mon 13 Jan 2020 16:01
Any - Air quality - Engineer Andy

What is just as important is why cars get bigger and bigger for every generation that are made. I can understand when safety features first came in, but nowadays there's no excuse. You can tell because car park space sizes are no bigger than they were 25-30 years ago, and how difficult it is to park in them these days.

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Mon 13 Jan 2020 18:38
Any - Air quality - oldroverboy.

Now plotting my permanent escape to somewhere a bit warmer in winter, so the Zedess will potentially be my last Uk purchase.

Warmer clime... not too large town, train links and 1 hour ish max to an airport.

No car, possibly an electric pedal bike.

One car less...

Edited by oldroverboy. on 13/01/2020 at 18:38

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Mon 13 Jan 2020 20:35
Any - Air quality - Engineer Andy

Bournemouth? ;-)

Edited by Engineer Andy on 13/01/2020 at 20:35

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Mon 13 Jan 2020 18:52
Any - Air quality - Terry W

To limit emissions - for climate impacts or pollution - taxes need to encourage people to buy smaller, lower powered cars. Weight and drag from a larger frontal area are mainly what increases consumption.

Manufacturers will need to decide whether to pass their fines on to customers or absorb them (unlikely in the medium term).

Being purely objective (image, egos, boy racers etc aside) - there is almost no need for any car larger than a typical small family hatch.

Medium and long term It will encourage the move to EVs, and a 20mph (entirely plausible) limit in towns would allow smaller lower powered cars to prevail. Currently a typical car "payload" is 1 or 2 adults (+ kids?) totalling around 80 -200kg in a modest car weighing around 1200kg - not very efficient!

A few will want to tow caravans or boats, have larger families, need a 4x4 as they live up a track etc - like it or not they will be penalised for their choices.

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Mon 13 Jan 2020 19:58
Any - Air quality - Bolt

and a 20mph (entirely plausible) limit in towns would allow smaller lower powered cars to prevail.

a lot of town sideroads are 20mph limit now so its not new around London

A few will want to tow caravans or boats, have larger families, need a 4x4 as they live up a track etc - like it or not they will be penalised for their choices.

But most live in town where they are not needed but wanted

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Mon 13 Jan 2020 20:40
Any - Air quality - Engineer Andy

I find it amazing how so many people who could easily get by with a standar car now own huge 4x4 double cabs and off-roaders.

But then who am I when I live on my own and drive a Mazda3 when, apart from going on holiday and one or two other occasions (hiring a bigger car when needed) in the year could easily get by with a car the next size down. I could've save myself quite a bit of fuel into the bargain.

I bought mine because it was cheaper than smaller cars because it was an import during a period of oversupply of medium and larger cars about 15 years ago.

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