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Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - oldroverboy.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/12/jack-robso...x

So free in 28 months to do it all over again.

GrrH!

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - focussed

But he didn't mean it- did he? And I'm sure he said sorry, after he got caught,

An don't forget his traumatic childhood - I'm sure he had one!

And his dog/cat/hamster(select as appropriate) just died.

He'll be waiting for the next labour/libdem government to divide his sentence by 2 (again).

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - Engineer Andy

Quite a lot of these type of stories coming up of late. A woman thug got let off with a light sentence because she put on a crying act in court after smashing a glass bottle in the eye of a man. She was a known muliple offender of this type and laughed outside court.

You have to wonder how such sentences are an actual deterrant to people doing this. Years of hard labour without parole (and extra time added for any bad behaviour incidents) and their finances/possessions confiscated to pay for their time in prison.

People might think twice then. It might also help if Police aren't going after people for 'mean tweets' and other Thought Crimes (which actually aren't crimes), endless PR stunts etc and go back to catching criminals.

A few years ago I had to do their work for them and investigated a crime and gave them the perpetrator on a plate. They set up a sting operation after I spoke to them, caught him red-handed and yet I never heard anything since. I suspect he got out early, as last year he apparently was up to his old tricks again stealing post for ID fraud. It was so lucrative for him, he drove 50 miles up my way from London to do so.

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - alan1302

Just putting someone in prison won't ever be a solution. Take a look at (I think) Norway where their reoffending rate is much lower than in the UK because they spend time trying to get people out of the loop of going to prison, coming out ad going back in.

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - Andrew-T

Just putting someone in prison won't ever be a solution.

There will never be a 'solution' - except possibly the kind that Hitler used to talk about. Ask yourself what is the purpose of prisons:

Deterrent - Punishment - Protection and satisfaction of the law-abiding public - Proof that Authority is doing something - Short sharp shock making offenders go straight ?

On the downside: Effective crime school - Serious drain on public funds ?

I'm not sure what solution we can expect, assuming that the genetic make-up of our population repeats itself.

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - Zippy123

And haiting for the next labour/libdem government to divide his sentence by 2 (again).

There was an article on the radio a couple of months back stating that there had been significantly lower numbers of court cases under the Conservative Govt because they wanted to keep the costs of courts and prisons down!

Soft on crime....!

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - Leif

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/12/jack-robso...x

So free in 28 months to do it all over again.

GrrH!

I suspect only someone in the legal system knows what is really going on. Maybe an underfunded police and legal system, with perhaps a smarmy defence lawyer and/or useless prosecution lawyer, perhaps overworked, perhaps not enough preparation, and the end result is an unjust sentence. Or perhaps the penalties for his behaviour are too low. Sometimes the authorities are hampered in the sentences available.

But yeah, it’s sickening. I heard someone on the radio out on licence having served ~14 years for murder. He said prison reform does not work, many fake being reformed, and it puts crooks together who learn from each other.

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - John F

Perhaps contracting out our prison service to commonwealth countries in sub-saharan Africa might prove more of a deterrent?

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - Leif

Perhaps contracting out our prison service to commonwealth countries in sub-saharan Africa might prove more of a deterrent?

Good idea, a nice summer holiday and exotic food would cheer them up no end.

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - alan1302

Perhaps contracting out our prison service to commonwealth countries in sub-saharan Africa might prove more of a deterrent?

And these counties have no one in the due to the deterrent?

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - Terry W

I like the Alcatraz option for very violent, serious, and grossly unpleasant offenders - a cold wet island set in a rough ocean where any escape would be a foolhardy challenge against the elements.

Local "law" to be maintained by inmates. No time off for good behaviour.

Scotland has lots of islands - post independence they may need some extra cash so perhaps we could rent one from them.

But all of this is of course pie in the sky, politically incorrect, rambling!!

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - Andrew-T

I like the Three Strikes and you're Out approach. The ultimate sanction may have some deterrent value - tho when the death penalty was available it wasn't 100%.

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - Engineer Andy

I hear the Tower of London has a few spare rooms available.

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - craig-pd130

Generally, I am a tree-hugging Grauniad reader. But in cases such as his, where he:

- stole the car

- is driving despite never passing his test and having no insurance

- was on his way to a burglary

- has previous convictions

- has effectively attempted manslaughter with the vehicle

The sentence should be double-figure years with no parole.

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - Engineer Andy

Generally, I am a tree-hugging Grauniad reader. But in cases such as his, where he:

- stole the car

- is driving despite never passing his test and having no insurance

- was on his way to a burglary

- has previous convictions

- has effectively attempted manslaughter with the vehicle

The sentence should be double-figure years with no parole.

Indeed - people like that are most likely beyond redemption and the public are better served with them being out of circulation for an extended period, preferably being given a LOT of manual work (supervised at their expense) to do so they don't have any time to 'learn new skills' in criminality.

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - galileo

Generally, I am a tree-hugging Grauniad reader. But in cases such as his, where he:

- stole the car

- is driving despite never passing his test and having no insurance

- was on his way to a burglary

- has previous convictions

- has effectively attempted manslaughter with the vehicle

The sentence should be double-figure years with no parole.

Indeed - people like that are most likely beyond redemption and the public are better served with them being out of circulation for an extended period, preferably being given a LOT of manual work (supervised at their expense) to do so they don't have any time to 'learn new skills' in criminality.

In Victorian times prisons often had treadmills which inmates had to spend hours on each day. Hitched up to generators they would generate non-fossil-fuel electricity, bound to be a popular policy with the tree-huggers.

Any. life changing injuries - The Law is an ASS - Bromptonaut

Generally, I am a tree-hugging Grauniad reader. But in cases such as his, where he:

- has previous convictions

- has effectively attempted manslaughter with the vehicle

The sentence should be double-figure years with no parole.

I think attempted manslaughter is probably a non-sequitur.

He's pleaded guilty to and been sentenced for aggravated vehicle taking, serious injury by dangerous driving, no insurance, going equipped etc. I assume that he's been sentenced in accordance with guidelines including discount for guilty pleas and that sentences run concurrently.

Possible that he copped a deal where other charges were dropped but we don't know that.

I'd like him to get proper rehabilitation so that when he's released he doesn't do anything similar again If he does it again while on parole/licence then he's back lickety split.

No point in paying £k/week to keep him in pokey a day longer than needed.