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Smart motorways - HGV ~ P Valentine

I read a report about that said 70% of drivers think smart motorways are dangerous. What do you think ?

Smart motorways are where they use the hard shoulder for normal motorway traffic, if it needs to close then a red X appears above that lane, with the previous notices also warning you to leave that lane, these are placed in good time so as to allow even the hard of thinking to understand and act on it. There is 1 on the M1 around the Luton/Dunstable slip roads.

Smart motorways - concrete

I am concerned that the lack of a hard shoulder for breakdowns will lead to congestion at best or death at worst. I suppose it is the ratio between how many breakdowns are historically occurring and the need to move traffic along during busy periods. It would seem the maths have been done and the conclusions drawn to increase the amount of smart motorway across the UK. Like a lot of things time and experience will expose the theory for good or ill. One thing I did notice while using motorways when they making them 'smart', was the average speed control of 50mpg kept the traffic flowing nicely. Frustrating when first entering a 50 zone after cruising at 70 but once in there it goes pretty well stress free. The time difference is negligible on a long journey and the reduced fuel consumption is remarkable. Smart motorways will have the ability to do this anytime it is deemed necessary.

It is just those overhead gantry signs that are so misleading. So frustrating that they cannot be trusted because some operative can't be bothered to switch them off or update the information. Hence they now tend to be ignored, which could be lead to disaster some day. . Cheers Concrete

Smart motorways - Palcouk
I used to drive +35k/year, in my experience the Gantry signs couldnt be believed, I know Highways says they are automatic, but just like MP's any such statement cannot be believed.
Smart motorways - Bromptonaut
I used to drive +35k/year, in my experience the Gantry signs couldnt be believed, I know Highways says they are automatic, but just like MP's any such statement cannot be believed.

First of all there's a running thread on Smart Motorways in main part of Back Room. Not clear why 30 yrs thought another was needed.

Many areas of Smart Motorway (eg M1 J16>19) have seen hard shoulder removed in its entirety. This is a different implementation of Smart/Managed m/way to that trialled on M42 and implemented on M25 and Luton section of M1 where hard shoulder remains but may be appropriated as a running lane.

My own view, as somebody living 10 minutes from M1/J16 and for whom M1/16>19 has been a regular drive since 1982 is that Smart Motorway is a gain. M1 16>19 runs MUCH smoother since the new section opened two years ago. Indeed implementation of the 50 limit during works actually improved time over the 19 miles or so of this section. It stopped the concertina effect when cars moving at 80 it the brake and led to all slowing to 30.

Undoubtedly there is a risk if you're stranded in running lane one. Although the overall risk on Smart M/way is lower those stranded in lane one are at elevated risk though margin between that and being stuck on hard shoulder is exaggerated.

We need to manage that by improving the capacity of CCTV etc to promptly detect strandees and set signals etc to protect them.

We need to take steps so that ANYBODY passing the red X over a lane gets points and a fine. More points and more money than for shooting a red traffic light and with no option of a driver improvement course. Similarly those who stop in the running lane other than when vehicle is immobile should be penalised - with driver education to reduce such stops. A warning light on, a soggy tyre or need to exchange details after a scrape are NOT reasons to stop in running lane; carry on to next refuge. If reason for stop is running out of fuel then prosecution should be norm.

As for disbelief/ignoring of gantry signs you need a reality check. Just because you didn't see anything it doesn't mean there was nothing. Obstructions can be cleared, the report of pedestrians or animals might have been vague, sometimes the 'incident' is off motorway but fire/smoke presence of emergency vehicles etc comprise a distraction.

Maybe, just maybe, if you saw nothing your observation is below par.

Smart motorways - HGV ~ P Valentine

Did not see the other thread apologies for the duplication, I was more interested if the stats bear true.

Edited by 30 yr's a Professional Driver on 22/10/2019 at 18:11

Smart motorways - FP

(a) Not sure why a new thread on a running topic is needed.

(b) Even less sure why this is in Legal.

Smart motorways - Avant

Please use the thread in the Motoring section if you want to comment further.