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KIA Rio - Spun my tires up pretty bad ?? - William Brandrick

Hi guys,

So I'm normally a safe and sensible driver but today I found myself in a tricky spot ?? I was coming round a hairpin bend on a VERY steep hill (25-30 degrees perhaps) and I had to stop as the road narrowed and a car came the other way. I tried to go up the hill after that passed but I had 4 passengers and loud music (couldn't hear the tires) and my tires just spun (on dry tarmac) for about 5 seconds and was enough to generate a fairly significant amount of smoke at 3k RPM at which point I cut the throttle and went back down the hill in reverse. I pulled over straight after and the tread depth seemed very slightly less and the tires were very warm but no tears or anything. How much will I have shortened their life by?

KIA Rio - Spun my tires up pretty bad ?? - edlithgow

Hi guys,

How much will I have shortened their life by?

Assuming you wear them out, by however much rubber you left on the road. Probably not measurable..

If they age-out, or you get an unrepairable punctuire, not at all

Heat effects from that brief "burn out" seem likely to be negligable.

But you knew that, surely?

KIA Rio - Spun my tires up pretty bad ?? - focussed

Surely, somewhere, there must be a formula for estimating this sort of tyre wear?

Or if there isn't, possibly forum members could suggest a likely solution?

KIA Rio - Spun my tires up pretty bad ?? - edlithgow

Surely, somewhere, there must be a formula for estimating this sort of tyre wear?

Doubt it. There are an awful lot of variables and many of them will be difficult to estimate. If you really wanted to find out, experiments would probably be required.

""Or if there isn't, possibly forum members could suggest a likely solution?

OK, here goes.....

DONT DO IT.

Sorted, I think you'll agree

KIA Rio - Spun my tires up pretty bad ?? - gordonbennet

Surely, somewhere, there must be a formula for estimating this sort of tyre wear?

Or if there isn't, possibly forum members could suggest a likely solution?

Tread depth gauge?

Seriously though, the wear won't have been much if anything, starting up a steep hill in a heavily loaded car with the wrong wheel drive is always likely to end up in wheelspin.

However you should congratulate yourself, i mean that sincerely, far better to engage the clutch quickly and let the tyres slip if anything, maybe you used .5mm of rubber, that's a lot cheaper and easier to replace than .5mm of clutch lining plus heat damage to the pressure plate (especially if you have a DMF) slipping the clutch would have caused had you slipped it instead, a steep hill start is always hard going on any vehicle not designed specifically for such events with ultra low gears available and grip in the right places ie not the front wheels only.

Had you been the fortunate :-) yeah right, owner of an automated manual Fiat 500, and some other cars with these unfit transmissions are just as bad, then you would not have been able to start on the hill anyway and if as steep as you suggest quite likely the car would not have ascended the hill at all with 4 people on board unless you had a clear run at it...we had a special method of loading these contraptions on the top deck of car transporters, even with a slight run up all they could manage was to get onto the very back of the deck then they would peg out...then a colleague would raise the deck level with you sitting in the seat so the car could then be driven to its correct deck spot.

Tip for getting up that hill in snowy weather, reverse the Kia up, then it become correct wheel drive.

Don't worry about a bit of tyre smoke, seen regularly from the rear wheels of our old Merc when it was younger and in the hands of my very own hooligan SWMBO.

Edited by gordonbennet on 10/10/2019 at 19:22

KIA Rio - Spun my tires up pretty bad ?? - edlithgow

"However you should congratulate yourself, i mean that sincerely, far better to engage the clutch quickly and let the tyres slip if anything, maybe you used .5mm of rubber, that's a lot cheaper and easier to replace than .5mm of clutch lining plus heat damage to the pressure plate (especially if you have a DMF) slipping the clutch would have caused had you slipped it instead,"

Good point that. On the mountain roads here I've been guilty of excessive clutch slip sometimes, especially when caught out in too hire a gear. Feel guilty afterwards, but something else will probably kill it.

Memo to self: RWD next time, if there is a next time.

KIA Rio - Spun my tires up pretty bad ?? - mss1tw

How much will I have shortened their life by?

Nothing.

Source: A friend has a 5.0 Mustang with line lock

Also I ended up burning a clutch a bit on a hill start in a fully loaded car (Wasn't riding the clutch, over-revving, or failing to use the handbrake - I went to pull away as you'd imagine and the car just didn't move).

I'd far rather have burned the tyres by 0.2mm...clutch smoke stinks.