What colour envelope do nips come in?

Honest John Back Room » Motoring discussion
What is life like with your car? Let us know and win £500 in John Lewis vouchers | No thanks
View Threaded
Sun 16 Jun 2019 23:32
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Arron Lowley
I was in Manchester for the first time driving down a road and my satnav said 40, however once I had gotten Atleast 1 mile down the road I noticed a sign for 30, I had been behind
Someone the entire time. I believe they may have been one speed camera. Anyhow it’s been 15 days today so I asked my mum if any post had been for me to which she responded you had a white envelope, but now she’s unsure who it was from... first it was the dvla and then she said it was a parking notice (which I did get a while ago from a private car park) but she threw it out before I could even check -_-, I’m from West Yorkshire and to my knowledge they came in a browns envelope, can anyone shed any light on this matter, would I have gotten a reminder soon after?
Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Sun 16 Jun 2019 23:34
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Happy Blue!

I had an NIP in Manchester a few weeks ago. Pretty certain it came in brown...

Do you know where you were when you think you were speeding?

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Sun 16 Jun 2019 23:42
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Arron Lowley
Princess road I believe, was like a dual carriageway sort of road
Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 09:08
What colour envelope do nips come in? - craig-pd130
Princess road I believe, was like a dual carriageway sort of road

The Princess Parkway into the centre of Manc was changed from 40 to 30 along its length last summer. There are regular road signs warning of this.

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 10:29
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Happy Blue!

I got my NIP for doing 37 in the 30 zone on Princess Parkway at 01:20 coming back from the airport. I know its a 30 zone but got distracted and the camera is at a set of traffic lights, so it could be a red light camera.

Annoyed with myself but equally annoyed that at a time when going over the (recently changed and arbitary) speed limit causes no harm, I still got flashed.

Unlike almost any other 'crime' speeding is arbitary; yes there may be danger spots due to the road layout or time of the day, but in principle accidents are caused by lack of care or attention not speeding per se. Reducing the limit may improve safety but may also cause the effect of bringing the authorities into disrepute as some limits are clearly set for income generation rather than safety or traffic management; and Princess Road/Parkway comes into the abuse of drivers category.

Anyway I got offered a course so phew, no points!

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 02:45
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Kekettykek

I received a NIP from Cheshire Constabulary last month for doing 35 in a 30. Arrived three days after the offence in a plain white A5 envelope.There was nothing on the envelope to suggest it was a NIP, It looked just like letters I get from my bank.

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 08:03
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Arron Lowley
How can they assume you know what it is, I think that’s stupid, it could be junk mail for all you know, what colour was the paper, thanks
Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 11:10
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Bromptonaut
How can they assume you know what it is, I think that’s stupid, it could be junk mail for all you know, what colour was the paper, thanks

What's really stupid is treating stuff as junk mail where you're less than 100% certain it's junk.

Any court paper or other official document is deemed to served by the simple act of an officer putting it in the post. The onus of proving it was not served lies with the recipient.

As an Advice Worker I frequently see people with Bailiff action on Council parking fines etc where they must have ignored or misfiled as junk at least three notices served by post. Additional costs and Bailiff charges take a sub £100 fine up to £500+. Added to that is the unpleasantness involved in any encounter with Bailiffs and the inconvenience of having your car clamped.

Missing NIP's and other paperwork associated with criminal matters, and speeding is a criminal matter, will have at least equal and probably more serious consequences.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 17/06/2019 at 11:11

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 09:54
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Andrew-T

There was nothing on the envelope to suggest it was a NIP, It looked just like letters I get from my bank.

Just shows that you should look at everything. Then decide whether it is 'junk mail'.

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 10:26
What colour envelope do nips come in? - RaineMan

When I got caught on a speed camera in cams in a brown envelope. Basically the colour of the envelope is irrelevant as you should check all mail and shred/burn any personal information. A neighbour did not and scumbags got enough information to get a credit card in their name and spend, spend for a while.

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 13:38
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Engineer Andy

There was nothing on the envelope to suggest it was a NIP, It looked just like letters I get from my bank.

Just shows that you should look at everything. Then decide whether it is 'junk mail'.

Maybe some people are foolishly employing the 'I see no ships' approach?

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 16:01
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Gerry Sanderson

Word of caution - may be trouble ahead

Do they not include with the NOIP a request under RTA88 to name driver which has to be returned within 28 days. Failure to do so and its Court action with heavy fine and points?

Options.

1. NFA and sweat it out for 6 months plus and hope envelope wasnt a noip/request to name and shame, or

2. Make enquiries of speed awareness authority for area and make enquiries. Plod may give you address.

Bear in mind in a 40 zone there should be repeater signs to this effect at intervals confirming your electronic device. Absence think 30 in bua.

dvd

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 16:11
What colour envelope do nips come in? - badbusdriver

How can they assume you know what it is, I think that’s stupid, it could be junk mail for all you know, what colour was the paper, thanks

Wow!!, i mean really?, it is their fault for not using a brown envelope?!. Not yours, or your Mothers for chucking mail in the bin without finding out what is inside.

Seen it all now!

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 17:33
What colour envelope do nips come in? - bathtub tom

I should imagine the courts do it to be discreet. Would the OP like the postman and everyone else who saw the envelope to know they're being prosecuted for some offence?

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 17:53
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Manatee

They are sent out by whichever police force or other agent is responsible. Some will be white, some brown.

If you don't want to read your mail, get a secretary.

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 18:01
What colour envelope do nips come in? - concrete

From memory, the last one I received was in a plain white envelope and was not overtly a letter from the police. As Brompt says, your mail should be checked regardless. As a tip for road speeds. NSL- National Speed Limit means No Signs or Lights. If there are lampposts there are usually signs too. If in doubt 30 does it unless posted at 40 or above. Might be useful for the future. Good advice to contact local police to enquire and show willing, because if it was an NIP it won't go away. Good luck.

Cheers Concrete

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 21:27
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Middleman

Tell us about this road your satnav told you was 40mph. Did it have a system of street lighting? If so (providing it is not a motorway) it is a "restricted" road and a default 30mph limit prevails. Any other limit must be signed by large terminal signs at its beginning and small repeater signs at regular intervals. Repeater "30" signs are not required on restricted roads (and in fact are unlawful).

Determining the status of the road you were on may save you having to worry about what colour the envelope was.

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 21:50
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

If they want drivers to stick to 30mph, why is it unlawful to have repeaters? With signs hidden by vegetation, it makes sense on the grounds of safety. Not all 30mph areas are entirely built up with street lamps.

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:18
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Bromptonaut

If they want drivers to stick to 30mph, why is it unlawful to have repeaters? With signs hidden by vegetation, it makes sense on the grounds of safety. Not all 30mph areas are entirely built up with street lamps.

Any area with street lamps is 30 unless motorway or otherwise advertised. Anybody who has been on a speed awareness course will have had that dinned into them.

I tend to agree that repeaters might help but once you allow them there's a loophole around their absence.

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:36
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Middleman

Not all 30mph areas are entirely built up with street lamps.

Indeed not. But all non-motorway roads with street lamps are 30mph areas (unless signed to the contrary).

Anybody who has been on a speed awareness course will have had that dinned into them.

Or, of course, anybody with a knowledge of the Highway Code (para. 123)

Edited by Middleman on 17/06/2019 at 23:44

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:59
What colour envelope do nips come in? - nick62

Why did you rely on "mum" to check your post and why the hell does it matter what colour the envelope is?

This is one of the strangest questions I have ever seen on this site.

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Tue 18 Jun 2019 04:48
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Arron Lowley
When did I say I rely on my mum? Stupid assumption if you ask me, people work away etc? I’ve been in the process of moving out so I hadn’t been around much, busy with work etc.

And because it helps determine what it could have been...
Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Tue 18 Jun 2019 07:33
What colour envelope do nips come in? - badbusdriver
When did I say I rely on my mum? Stupid assumption if you ask me, people work away etc? I’ve been in the process of moving out so I hadn’t been around much, busy with work etc. And because it helps determine what it could have been...

It doesn't help to "determine what it could have been" if your Mum is chucking it in the bin before determining what it is.

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Tue 18 Jun 2019 14:59
What colour envelope do nips come in? - RaineMan

The white envelope might have had a cheque in it! :)

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Tue 18 Jun 2019 15:12
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Middleman

Did you manage to find out the status of the road or the prevailing speed limit where this happened?

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Tue 18 Jun 2019 17:16
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Engineer Andy

What colour envelope do nips come in?

I'm sure there's a rude joke somewhere here...

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Tue 18 Jun 2019 17:29
What colour envelope do nips come in? - badbusdriver

What colour envelope do nips come in?

I'm sure there's a rude joke somewhere here...

Yes, there must be!.

Personally, i was thinking this post is crying out for one of Avant's poems?, something about the danger of putting mail in the bin without findig out what it is, or if it is important...........!

Reply | Report as offensive | Link
Tue 18 Jun 2019 23:10
What colour envelope do nips come in? - Avant

This story's a little bit rum:

Does nothing get past Arron's mum?

Brown letters or white,

All share the same plight.

For Arron, a NIP in the...hind-quarters.

Reply | Report as offensive | Link