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Mazda 6 - Mazda 6 2.5 - thoughts? - eustace

While looking at 10 year old used Mazda 6s, I noticed that the 2.0 versions and the 2.5 versions are available at similar prices.

Can folks who have driven the 2.5 version give me your thoughts on it?

I test drove a version with the 2.5 engine. But used car test drives are by nature short test drives.

I found the car to be good drive to drive. The interiors of the car were plush and elegant, with leather upholstery and an openable moon roof.

The electronic dash (which powers up when you turn the car on) appears very funky.

I'm not a boy racer and I don't find my current ford focus 1.6 particularly under powered.

A lot of review sites describe the ride of the 2.5 as hard and uncomfortable, because of the 18 inch wheels.

Also reviews comment on high tyre and road noise at motorway speeds.

Thinking of the Pros and Cons of the car

Pros

Top of the range models. Hence top specced interiors

Powerful engine, good acceleration

a bit different and unusual from the normal run of the mill cars

Perhaps a BMW / more expensive car like experience, on the cheap?

Cons

Higher road tax, insurance and servicing costs

About 5 mpg lower fuel economy compared to the 2.0 model (31 vs 36 mpg)

Harsher ride and comfort?

What are peoples thoughts on the 2.5 engine?

Is it worth going for (because of the higher running costs), or would it be more sensible to stick with the 2.0 Petrol engine.

I would be doing between 8 - 10,000 miles a year...

Edited by eustace on 09/05/2019 at 01:49

Mazda 6 - Mazda 6 2.5 - thoughts? - Avant

If you're buying a 10-year-old car, go by condition and service history.

There aren't as many Mazda 6s around as, say, Mondeos or Insignias, so go for the best one you can find whichever (petrol) engine it has.

Mazda 6 - Mazda 6 2.5 - thoughts? - SLO76
Yup, I wouldn’t be concerned which petrol engine was in it, be it 1.8, 2.0 or 2.5. Buy on condition and history before anything else. Even the 1.8 can do over 115mph and pulls ok. It’ll do everything anyone needs on a modest budget. The 2.5 does however sit on wider lower profile tyres which does harm the ride quality. It’s not uncomfortable though so no deal breaker.

Edited by SLO76 on 09/05/2019 at 12:14

Mazda 6 - Mazda 6 2.5 - thoughts? - Engineer Andy

Bear in mind the 2.5 petrol is a VED Band J car, meaning currently that'll set you back £300pa instead of the £200 for the 2.0 petrol (band G). And you use more in fuel - much more if most of your driving is in urban areas, not so much if your driving on faster roads at 50+.

If it does come with the bling larger wheels, not only will the rider be firmer (and get worse with age and more quickly than the standard cars shod on 16in and 17in rims, as the suspension takes more of a beating [less air in the tyres to cushion the ride), the suspension and tyres will wear out more quickly and the tyres will cost a LOT more to replace and will be much more susceptible to damage (including blow outs) from kerbing, speed humps and debris.

It's a decent handling car anyway (all modern Mazdas are) - the question is can you afford to run it, given you'll be getting an older car for your money that won't be in such good nick if you go with the 2.5. The 2.0 is fine, nothing special performance wise, but you aren't buying it for a track day experience, are you?

I'd get the best example of a 2.0 you can, go by condition and a proven service history and long ownership from previous owners.

Mazda 6 - Mazda 6 2.5 - thoughts? - Warning

I bought a Mazda 1.8 and you can read my review on:

www.honestjohn.co.uk/owner-reviews/mazda/6-2008/?r...d

I returned my Mazda 6 to the dealer (I suspect previous owner drove it into a lamppost and hence the mechanical problem).

The 1.8 was fine, but felt a a tad underpowered, so a 2.0 should be fine.

The ride on the 1.8 was firm, especially going over speed bumps.

On a car which is 10 years old, wear and tear will factor more into which car to go for. Look at the service history, how it has been looked after.... It will be more about finding a good specimen.

Mazda 6 - Mazda 6 2.5 - thoughts? - eustace

Thanks for your inputs, all.

In the initial review of the Mazda 6 2.5, HJ mentions that it aspires to the standards of cars like the BMW, but are outclassed by the likes of the BMW.

I was just wondering whether, when 10 years old, they could turn out to be a more reliable version of a BMW :-)

Ignoring the additional tax and insurance costs, would his car be something more than simply a means of transport?

Would it give a premium car (Jag / BMW / Merc / Audi) experience, without the associated German car reliability issues?

The topgear site had a good review for the car, with the feedback being that the car did not feel very disappointing, even though the tester was testdriving a Ferrari 599 previously.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/mazda/25-sport-5dr/road-test

But from what I understand above, the big rims do reduce the reliability of the car...

Would it be possible at some point to swap the 18" wheels for 17 or 16 inch ones?

Mazda 6 - Mazda 6 2.5 - thoughts? - SLO76
“I was just wondering whether, when 10 years old, they could turn out to be a more reliable version of a BMW :-)

Ignoring the additional tax and insurance costs, would his car be something more than simply a means of transport?

Would it give a premium car (Jag / BMW / Merc / Audi) experience, without the associated German car reliability issues?”

Performance and prestige are irrelevant when buying a cheap car but if you insist then yes the Mazda 6 is a good alternative to the unreliable (at this age and price) premium brands. They all drive well with a bit more feel and handling prowess than an equivalent Toyota for example but with similar levels of Japanese reliability.

As I’ve said already though you’d be far far better opening up your search to include the full petrol range rather than focusing on the rare 2.5. You’d be mad to leave a good 2.0 to Land a tatty uncared for 2.5 just because it’s a second quicker or so to 60. The 2.0 is perfectly acceptable and is ok on fuel. Mine easily did early 40’s to the gallon in day to day use with 50 plus possible on longer runs with a relaxed right foot.

Mazda 6 - Mazda 6 2.5 - thoughts? - SLO76
“But from what I understand above, the big rims do reduce the reliability of the car...

Would it be possible at some point to swap the 18" wheels for 17 or 16 inch ones?”

Bigger wheels will have no impact on reliability so I’m assuming you mean ride? Yes you can change them but why not buy a better riding 2.0 or even just live with it? It’s not that hard and still better than an equivalent BMW on fat wheels.
Mazda 6 - Mazda 6 2.5 - thoughts? - eustace

"But from what I understand above, the big rims do reduce the reliability of the car... "

That was based on the comment of Engineer Andy above, that the bigger wheels reduce the durability of the suspensions...

I'm not able to find many 2.0s in the market with full history and in good condition. But there are a couple of 2.5s that seem worth looking at...

Also the 2.5 is better equipped (leather seats, sun roof, digital instruments, etc.) that it seems a shame to ignore it, when it is available at the same price as the 2.0...

Edited by eustace on 20/05/2019 at 14:39

Mazda 6 - Mazda 6 2.5 - thoughts? - Engineer Andy

You'd need to check what rim size is possible in combination with the brakes fitted. Some upper trim 'Sport' models have bigger brakes and thus might, for example, be capable of accommodating a 17in wheel, a lower-mid spec model might have the next size down brakes and be able to accept a 16in rim.

Either way, most insurers will likely accept doing this IF the manufacturer allows it - most dealerships can tell you what wheel and tyre combo is permissable for the brakes' size, and often this information is given in the handbook or on the plate (also showing the tyre size and pressures) on the driver's side door/frame.

I would suspect for a lower to mid spec Mazda6 of that era, you'd be able to fit 16in or 17in wheels and tyres as per the plate/handbook. 17 to 18in for the Sport models. Technically larger wheels can be fitted to most cars, but they and the tyres (presumably wider) must adhere to the law about fitting within the wheel arch (not sticking out) and being able to turn full lock to lock without impinging on the brakes and suspension as well as the wheel arch.

I suspect its unlikely that you'll have the cash to spend on replacing all 4 wheels and tyres (with whatever size), but if you did, downsizing can actually be cheaper than, for example, just replacing the wheels at the same size if they had seriously degraded. That's why buying a Sport (especially a 2.5L version) would not necessarily be a wise move if you are on a really tight budget, including ongoing maintenance, as the car would far more likely be shod on bigger wheels and tyres and thus the problems I spoke of earlier would come up.

You just have to weigh up the consequences of owning car that gives lower mpg, higher VED, rides more firmly, goes through tyres, suspension and alloys quicker (admitedly partly dependent on how and where you drive) and will cost more to replace those items, against having a car that looks a bit nicer and gets to 60 in a second less.

If you can afford it and find the ride to be fine, then great. Just don't discount the 2.0 petrol. Note that the reason why the 2.5s are priced very similarly to the 2.0 is probably because they are costly to run, and perhaps are a bit too firm a ride.

Mazda 6 - Mazda 6 2.5 - thoughts? - SLO76
“I'm not able to find many 2.0s in the market with full history and in good condition. But there are a couple of 2.5s that seem worth looking at...

Also the 2.5 is better equipped (leather seats, sun roof, digital instruments, etc.) that it seems a shame to ignore it, when it is available at the same price as the 2.0...”

Absolutely. Buy on condition before spec. If there’s a tidy 2.5 with good history I’d happily buy it. But I’d just live with the standard wheels rather than changing anything from standard which would mean informing your insurance company and will alter the gearing slightly if you run higher profile tyres, meaning your speedo would under-read. It’s not overly firm in the way a BMW on run flats would be. The 2.5 has a good bit of extra low speed pull and is a bit more relaxed as a result but don’t expect barnstorming performance, it’s no rocket ship.

Here’s another worthy if speed is important. The Mondeo uses the same floor pan and suspension as the Mazda and the 2.0 petrol is identical but you can get the lovely 5cyl Volvo 2.5 turbo in high spec models which is a lovely thing to drive. It just slips under the higher rate tax band but it’s a bit greedier.


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Edited by SLO76 on 20/05/2019 at 15:52