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Old Merc? - johnnyrev

The itch to replace my Logan (now just coming up to three years old) with an older semi-classic estate is presenting itself again! I have spotted a 1988 Merc W124 at a local specialist, who I know through using them when I had my CLK.

They know the car having serviced it, and it looks in good nick, with 120,000 miles and a good history. Its the 2.3 petrol auto estate and is 4k.

I'm tempted to go and have a look as a replacement for the Logan, which is worth around 6.5k, and the extra cash can be a contingency find for anything that goes wrong!


Old Merc? - madf

Rust, rust, rust,

Do you have the £10k for repairs?

Unreliable junk when new.. (I had one)

Some had disintegrating engine wiring...

Edited by madf on 07/02/2019 at 11:52

Old Merc? - SLO76

Rust, rust, rust,

Do you have the £10k for repairs?

Unreliable junk when new.. (I had one)

Some had disintegrating engine wiring...

You’re getting mixed up with the next gen E class which was a rot bucket and plagued with the then managements cost cutting and desire to chase volume instead of quality and profit per unit. The old 123 and 124 series E classes were two of the best built cars of all time. Quality was fantastic but they are very old now and repairs will be required regularly. Make sure the body and underside are solid and mechanical repairs are relatively easy. Prices for estates and coupes are strong and if the one the good Rev is looking at is solid then £4K is cheap, I’ve seen good ones over £15k.
Old Merc? - andrew bairsto

I had an E class 2004 2.2 diesel never any problem no rust no mechanical breaddowns I now have a later model estate 2010 absolutely no problems.I would certainly have thought earlier Mercs have a tremendous rust problem especially 1988. In Germany I have never seen a rusty 1994 to 2002 few rust spots maybe but these are old cars now.

Old Merc? - sandy56

Save yourself a lot of hassle and expense and buy a Ford or similar.

If you do a lot of the repairs and maintenance yourself, and have the time and spare cash then go for it.

A good source of info on old Mercs, as well as the M.O.C.

www.youtube.com/user/Mercedessource

Old Merc? - 72 dudes

I don't agree with madf's comments at all.

C Classes from 2000-2007 do have some rust issues, but they tend to be neglected or abused ones

The model you are looking at had a fine reputation and were built to a very high standard. Go and have a look and enjoy yourself!

If it's from a known trusted Merc specialist, so much the better, they'll be able to maintain it using proper Merc parts at a competitive labour rate.

I always seem to be mentioning this but I use a good Merc specialist in Stowmarket who runs 5 C and E Class Mercs as courtesey cars. All are over 15 years old and the lowest mileage one has done 160k miles, the one I had last month was an E320 Cdi with almost 250k up and it still drove beautifully.

There will always be well meaning nay-sayers on here who think owning an older premium marque is pointless or a money pit, but as long as you expect to spend a little more on proper regular maintenance, it can be very satisfying.

Like everything, check history, both service and MOT to get a flavour of previous usage, and if possible contact the previous owner, who will probably be a Merc enthusiast.

Old Merc? - Happy Blue!

Everything here is about condition and how well cared for it has been.

The Mercedessource you tube channel is excellent for useful tips (if a little irritating in its American delivery) and the W124 was probably the last good Mercedes for some time.

However you should leave some money in the kitty becuase you will have repairs...

Old Merc? - craig-pd130

1988 was when MB was still building cars up to a standard, not down to a price, and the W124s are very strong.

But even so, it's a 31-year-old car. If you know and trust the seller, that's a good thing. Go in with your eyes open, and without rose-tinted glasses!

Old Merc? - badbusdriver

I'd be very tempted by a Merc of this era, and have found myself looking at 190's on Ebay and Autotrader recently!. That age of E-Class is a lovely looking thing, handsome, well proportioned but not shouty (like modern Merc's as well as most other cars these days). I seem to remember it being one of the most aerodynamic cars on the road in its day which will help the mpg on a longer run. And that 2.3 four pot will keep going till the end of the world!.

Old Merc? - bazza

Being realistic about your DIY capabilities, available facilities ( well lit workshop or dark kerbside with cold water streaming down your neck?) And your own enthusiasm for what is really a big undertaking? And do you know a good trusted garage for those tasks beyond you? If still keen after all that, then yes, a lovely classic car which I would also love to own.

Old Merc? - oldroverboy.

Just a query,,

What was your depreciation on the Logan?

Old Merc? - johnnyrev
I think I paid 9.5k for the Logan, and it’s now worth 6.5k. Not too bad a loss over three years!
Old Merc? - oldroverboy.
I think I paid 9.5k for the Logan, and it’s now worth 6.5k. Not too bad a loss over three years!

Well done, must be a heavenly p/x for someone.

Old Merc? - gordonbennet

Simpler W124's like this, and pre facelift are better built cars than the facelifts, and are probably the best to own, but there is still plenty to go wrong, we've owned an H reg 230e, a N reg 300 Diesel, a M reg 320 estate and the P reg 320 coupe we still have.

CHG all go at around 100k or just over, CHG or oil cooler (the one behind the oil filter) failed on every one between 90 and 120k and you're looking at £800 for CHG alone.

Estates have fancy self levelling rear suspension, which will be expensive if it needs new rear shocks (Volvo estate self levellers are eye watering too).

W124's have no sills as such, the sill strength is built into the floor further in and very strong they are too, but those plastic outer sill covers hide the jacking points which can rot badly, remove the jacking point covers from that plastic sill (pop out) and check the jacking points, the front wings are the weak point, they rot just in front of the wheelarch where it extends to and meets the bumper.

Those early ones should not have the wiring loom problems of the later cars.

The later 320's cost us a fortune, the estate's FSH read like a doomsday book, you name it, it failed and several times in some cases, the coupe has cost a fortune to keep in condition, i daren't add it all up to be truthful because it would be too depressing.

The car you describe is way overpriced, the 4 cyl cars are not loved, they can go alright but noisy making progress and not economical even if driven gently.

If you wanted a usable modern classic, i'd be inclined to go have a look at one of these instead www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1078351

Edited by gordonbennet on 07/02/2019 at 18:58

Old Merc? - SLO76
I think I paid 9.5k for the Logan, and it’s now worth 6.5k. Not too bad a loss over three years!

Have you had anyone value it as a part-ex? Good wee cars these, I’m quite a fan of their no nonsense approach but low mileage three year old examples are available for less than £7k at main dealers so £6.5k may be optimistic.
Old Merc? - John F
I think I paid 9.5k for the Logan, and it’s now worth 6.5k. Not too bad a loss over three years!

Have you had anyone value it as a part-ex? Good wee cars these, I’m quite a fan of their no nonsense approach but low mileage three year old examples are available for less than £7k at main dealers so £6.5k may be optimistic.

Optimistic? More like delusional! A few clicks show lowish mileage 2016 models available asking less than £6000, which makes me think probably worth around £5000 on trade in.

Old Merc? - barney100

Saw a lot of these at a Mercedes owners club meet a while ago. There were some immaculate examples. You aren't going to have much depreciation to worry about, go for it.

Old Merc? - MGspannerman
I had the idea a few years ago to get one as an everyday classic. I bought a 76k mile 1995 diesel auto saloon. A lovely car to drive, although of barge like proportions, and very comfortable but there was a never ending list of relatively minor but necessary service items - steering joints, rear suspension bushes and so on. Unfortunately the lack of reliability and related unpredictability together with the drip, drip of cost eventually led to the decision to let it go. I gave way when I had another potential bill for £350 having already spent £1k in the previous six months. Out of interest I checked on the MOT website and it is still going some ten plus years further on, but with a much lower annual mileage than my own was then. Would I do it again - no.
Old Merc? - johnnyrev

Thanks all for your responses. I've decided not to buy this particular Merc. It was very nice, and clearly been looked after, but had a few small things, mainly cosmetic, that I would want to do. I will keep looking and report back to the forum as and when.

The Logan is in for a service and its first MOT next week so it would be good to get my money's worth out of that! My wife thinks I should sell the MX5 and buy a newer (better?) 2 seat convertible, but I've invested too much time and effort into it to want to sell it now. Maybe a third car!?

Old Merc? - SLO76

Thanks all for your responses. I've decided not to buy this particular Merc. It was very nice, and clearly been looked after, but had a few small things, mainly cosmetic, that I would want to do. I will keep looking and report back to the forum as and when.

The Logan is in for a service and its first MOT next week so it would be good to get my money's worth out of that! My wife thinks I should sell the MX5 and buy a newer (better?) 2 seat convertible, but I've invested too much time and effort into it to want to sell it now. Maybe a third car!?

Can be done very cheaply if you buy it right and avoid depreciation. I’ve often had a drive full of old metal that cost me less than the depreciation on a modest used hatch.
Old Merc? - gordonbennet
Maybe a third car!?

My experience of third car ownership is that the least used car tends to get very little use, which in turn means it needs more brake work, battery condition charging, faffing about with covers (depending on its type) opening closing windows etc to keep it free from moisture, and because you don't use it you use it less because of said faff, then you have three insurances road taxes ongoing maintenance and MOT tests all to pay for before you've even turned a wheel.