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Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - sx200n

Hello,

After just a few minutes my Alfa Giulietta warns me the radial temperature is too high and to turn the engine off, yet I can't imagine that my engine is barely warm as it is happening after just a few minutes.

Does the sound like more of a sensor / thermostat issue rather than my engine actually getting to hot?

When the warning comes up, it drives and still sounds like it is not having any issues.

I have also noticed that the heating does not seem that warm either?

Any thoughts?

If it is a sensor/thermostat issue, are these generally cheap on a 2010 Alfa?

Thanks in advance

Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - skidpan

Not that many Alfa's one here. Suggest you ask on a specific Alfa forum.

But it sounds like an airlock to me.

Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - John F

It makes me think that the cylinder head gasket is failing, with coolant gradually being exhausted, with the coolant level now too low to circulate through the heater matrix. I hope it is less serious than this.

Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - sx200n

Thanks for the advice.

I have just been out in it again and I think it is definately the sensor or perhaps the thermostat that is at fault.

The car drives beautifully and after having been driving for about 10 minutes with the temp gauge sat just under 90 degrees - I spotted the temperature gauge suddenly spike up to maximum (but no warning message was given about overheating) and within seconds it dropped back down again to just over 100 degrees and then settled back to 90 degrees within a 400 metre distance at a constant speed of just 20mph within my estate.

By the time I pulled up at home, I had only been out in it for 15 minutes and the temparature when I pulled up was still 90 degrees.

Given that the laws of science does not allow that kind of instant temperature change to even be possible, I can't help but think that something is making the car think it is heating up more than it is.

Very strange.

I think I shall get it into Alfa when I get the chance.

If it is a thermostat issue - which a few other threads would suggest it might be (thermostat stuck closed), it seems to be a cheap fix.

But fingers crossed that is all it is as I have only owned it a couple of weeks, and it had a perfect MOT and service history.

Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - hardway

I've come across some crazy CTS's in the past but I'm less sure that's your problem.

Crazy CTS's don't screw with heater temp's

I'm with previous respondent in suspecting a vapour lock from head gasket failure OR a faulty water pump.

This time of year it take a hell of a long time for a thermostat to begin to open.

And even if it was jammed shut it'd take many min's of run time for it to cause overheating.

I've had cars that I had to run at high rev's for a good 20 min's outside the garage to get the fan to kick in.

kinda vital after say renewing a head gasket,

You've got to be sure.

Now I don't know this car/pump but have had similar problems in the past with coolant pumps that have had the impellor rotating on the pump shaft where it's meant to be locked on.

this can give a variety of odd symptoms from constant overheating to normal running depending on just what the impellor is doing at the time.

Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - veloceman
At that age I suggest you find a good specialist.
Most Alfa dealers will charge a fortune and not guaranteed to know what they’re doing!

Good luck and enjoy the car.
Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - sx200n

Right, turns out the coolant tank was empty even though I have only owned it a week or so and it was fully serviced and MOT'd before I picked it up, and I remember spotting the coolant was at the right mark just before I drove it away.

So I have have filled the coolant back to the correct level, gone on a shortish drive, and low and behold, the coolant seems to have gone down.

It seems to be vanishing whilst being driven.

Hopefully it is just a loose pipe clip that is losing my coolant when the pressure builds and the engine is up to temperature.

No smoke, no noises, cannot see any trace of coolant in the engine oil, although I am no expert so there could be some in the mix???

But I am checking the issue with the garage as I have not long had it and only driven it a few times.

Drives superb and everything else with it is in perfect working order, so hopefully it is a simple fix.

Fingers crossed.

Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - mss1tw

At this time of year I'd have thought a huge steam cloud would be apparent if it's losing that much that fast

Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - sx200n

Thanks for the responses everyone....

This is why I am hopeful it is a simple case of a clip allowing a hose to lose coolant as opposed to a head gasket - although I admit the worst cast scenario is still possible of course.

The car drives perfectly, no problem with performance, no smoke, no nothing that would tell you there was a problem with anything really. The car, despite its age and mileage (just done 90k with a new timing belt and water pump fitted by the garage) is spotless, and drove far better than 3 other cloverleafs of similar age and mileage that I test drove.Not even a single noise, rattle or squeak from anywhere when it is driving.

I have found a thread from 2012 on an Alfa owners site that stated some did have issues with a hose clip struggling when the coolant system was pressurized due to the clip type - so I am really hoping it is just this.

I am contacting the garage tomorrow to discuss what I can do. It came with a warranty yet I cannot imagine this would be covered as surely a head gasket fault could be down to the previous owners lack of maintenance (if indeed it is a head gasket issue). Whilst if it is just an issue with a hose or clip, then hopefully they will just sort it.

I do hope it is just a lose or misfitting hose that is the issue.

Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - John F

Right, turns out the coolant tank was empty even though I have only owned it a week or so and it was fully serviced and MOT'd before I picked it up, ........

Further to my previous post, this now makes me think you have been fleeced. When a CHG starts to fail the only sign is the need to start topping up the coolant occasionally. For those in the know, that's the time to get rid of the car, knowing that it will drive just fine for several hundred, or even a few thousand miles before the problem becomes more severe with more obvious signs. The leak will be so small that even a compression test will be inconclusive, and there will be as yet no obvious signs like oil in the coolant or mayonnaise on the oil filler cap.

I would take the car back to where you got it from, and impress the seller who has tried to pull a fast one with your new-found knowledge, showing that you are now not the ignorant punter he thought you were. Do not be fobbed off with rubbish about 'loose clips'. If coolant is being blown out of a joint somewhere it is because the leaky CHG is causing it to be over-pressurised. Do let us know the outcome, please.

Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - Railroad.

Firstly air cannot just get into the cooling system and get stuck. That's a total myth. Second the absence of milky deposits does not necessarily mean the head gasket hasn't failed. The gasket can fail in several ways. Oil and coolant will only mix if it has failed across those two points. The cooling system will be compressed if the gasket has gone between a cylinder and cooling jacket. If this is the case then exhaust gasses will be present in the cooling system which would be detected by a sniff test, especially on a petrol engine which gives off carbon monoxide to which the detecting liquid is sensitive. Check the temperature of the radiator when the engine is hot. It should also be hot, but will be slightly cooler at the bottom than at the top. If the engine is hot but the radiator is cold you have a clear problem. The job of the radiator is to dissipate engine heat. A radiator is the wrong name for it because it doesn't radiate anything. It's a heat exchanger that conducts and then convects heat. Engine heat will not be dissipating if the radiator is cold. It does sound like you have a cylinder head gasket problem, but anyone with a good working knowledge and a pressure tester, as well as a sniff tester should be able to confirm or dismiss it.

Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - edlithgow

Firstly air cannot just get into the cooling system and get stuck. That's a total myth.

Yes it can.

So no, it isn't.

I've had a stubborn air pocket in the cooling system of my current car (Daihatsu Skywing) after a drain and refill, which mimicked the effect of a head gasket failure (not having exhaust gas testing capability) pretty accurately.

I understand its a special part of the charm of some Volkswagens (Golfs?). Dunno about Alfas.

The trick, apparently, is to vacuum fill the cooling system, which must be a good trick if you can do it. In that situation again, I'd try a big sink unblocking syringe, or a venturi pump.

It got better eventually, but it took a while, and made me nervous while it was getting around to it.

None of the above means the OP does NOT have a HG failure, of course, which I'd agree is probably the way to bet.

Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - Railroad.

Firstly air cannot just get into the cooling system and get stuck. That's a total myth.

Yes it can.

So no, it isn't.

Absolute rubbish, no it can't. Air and coolant cannot occupy the same space, and air cannot enter a sealed system and force coolant out of the way. Where do you suspect the coolant will go once this air gets in, and how could it get in? The only way air could get in is if the system is breached, such as via a blown head gasket or the system having been drained. There would be overheated cars broken down everywhere with air in the cooling system if this was the case.

Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - skidpan

Firstly air cannot just get into the cooling system and get stuck. That's a total myth.

Yes it can.

So no, it isn't.

Absolute rubbish, no it can't. Air and coolant cannot occupy the same space, and air cannot enter a sealed system and force coolant out of the way. Where do you suspect the coolant will go once this air gets in, and how could it get in? The only way air could get in is if the system is breached, such as via a blown head gasket or the system having been drained. There would be overheated cars broken down everywhere with air in the cooling system if this was the case.

In a sealed correctly operating cooling system air cannot enter, simple as that

UNLESS

there is a leak in the system. Obviously water will leak out (and may be visible - may not) but as the engine cools it will tend to suck air in through the leak especially if the expansion bottle is empty.

In an old school system where water expanded into a non sealed bottle (normally lower down by the radiator) and was sucked back as the engine cooled the engine will suck in air through any leak in preference to sucking back water uphill simply because its easier.

In an older school system where water was simply dumped as it expanded (normally by a tube at the side of the rad cap) air replaced that water as the engine cooled That is why we used to have to remove the radiator car and check it on a weekly basis and top it up as and when required (leaving a space for the water to expand into).

Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Cloverleaf - Overheating after just a few minutes - edlithgow

In a sealed correctly operating cooling system air cannot enter, simple as that

See above, particularly the "after a drain and refill" bit.

This none-too-subtly implies that, in the example experience I'm relating, the system suffered a persistent airlock "after a drain and refill".

I know this because I drained and refilled it

That's why I said "after a drain and refill"

This may not apply to the OP's Alfa, but AFAICT we don't know it doesn't. As I understand it, he hasn't had it very long, and does not know in detail how it has been maintained.