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Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - libbyshuss

hello there, long time lurker first time poster here, hoping to pick your brains.

I've recently got myself a new job that will involve a lengthy motorway commute (80 miles a day round trip, around 16k annually). Luckily the timings involve mean it should be cruising all the way. I've also got myself a small family that keeps on growing, especially my youngest who eats like a horse.

I currently have a little 1.6 Fabia 3 which has been hugely reliable and great fun but is now a little small and has never been the best for motorway driving

so with these parameters in mind:-

1) comfortable motorway ride

2) reasonable fuel economy

3) spacious enough for a family of four

4) reliable and cheap to maintain

5) long term purchase, probably best part of next ten years or so

6) a decent sound system!

Other than that I'm pretty open minded about petrol or diesel, manual or automatic. I've just got myself in a position where I can't see the wood for the trees so would really appreciate somebody taking a dispassionate look for me. i have a budget of 8-10k.

thank you!

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - Leif

I think you have to first ask yourself what class of car you want/need and how much you can afford to pay.

Would a city car be okay? They can be quite comfortable for four people on shorter journeys, but not for long ones, and not much boot space. From what you say, I think a city car is off the list.

A super mini would be more spacious and offer almost as good fuel economy, with more comfort. But you'd perhaps struggle to take a family on holiday with large amounts of luggage. That said, the new VW Polo is quite spacious, and drives nicely on the motorway, so it would perhaps do the business as would the new Seat Ibiza.

What do you mean by a decent sound system? Do you want CarPlay or the Android equivalent? DAB radio? A new car or used?

Just a few thoughts before others chime in with concrete suggestions.

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - libbyshuss

At our budget we'd be looking at a used car. I suspect a city car would be, as you say, a little small but I'll definitely look into the Polo and Ibiza, thank you.

I was being a little facetious with decent sound system to be honest. A long commute like that means i'll be playing a lot of music! Something like CarPlay I can do without - i got boxes of cds gathering dust in the attic I'm more than happy to dig out.

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - retgwte

you can pretty much afford a new dacia sandero diesel which would be better than you would think for this role

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - barney100

In the same situation years ago I went for Volvo. A 240 estate did the job without any fuss. Now it's a V70d and it swallows gear in the back, gets good mpg and cruises effortlessly. They are built to last too. Maintenance needs a good indie to keep costs reasonably low.

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - libbyshuss

I have a mate who used to drive a 240 for years and used to swear by it. He drove it for years with no fuss. I'd never considered a Volvo tbh but it definitely sounds like it's worth a look.

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - TheGentlemanThug

Here are a few suggestions:

Skoda Octavia 1.4

Skoda Superb 1.4

Toyota Avensis 1.8

Toyota Auris 1.2T (assuming space is adequate)

Honda Civic 1.8 (again, assuming space is adequate)

With your budget and mileage, I'd suggest sticking with petrol, especially if you want to keep the car for a long time. Naturally-aspirated engines like the Civic 1.8 and Avensis 1.8 should prove bombproof.

No doubt others will make their recommendations.

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - libbyshuss

Thank you, I was erring towards petrol myself. I'd be more than happy with a Skoda again, I've been very impressed by my little Fabia. I hadn't thought of an Avensis and it's always looked a really nice car, I'll take a closer look.

is there much to choose from with the Superb 1.4 and 1.8?

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - pd

I think I'd veer towards automatic with that sort of driving.

Probably some sort of super comfy Volvo with heated leather and one of the better audio options would be top of my list. Maybe a S60 D4 or D5 SE Lux Auto. Most Volvo standard fit audio systems are excellent as long as you avoid the very base ones.

Used Volvo saloons tend to be a fair bit cheaper on the used market than Estates.

Bear in mind whatever you buy will have 200k on it by the time you get rid so you maybe be looking at some bills later on in it's life.

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - barney100

There was an article about a bloke with a 573,000k Volvo estate so 200,000 not looking a lot!

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - TheGentlemanThug

The 1.8 is a chain cam engine whereas the 1.4 (from 2012) uses a belt. Chain cam engines should last the life of the car whereas belts (and other parts) need to be replaced about once every five years.

The Avensis is a great car that simply lacks character. That makes it unpopular but an excellent used buy.

Edited by Bicycle_Repair_Man on 06/11/2018 at 14:18

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - skidpan
I currently have a little 1.6 Fabia 3 which has been hugely reliable and great fun but is now a little small and has never been the best for motorway driving

Skoda have never sold a Mk3 Fabia with a 1.6 engine in the UK so I suggest you check what engine it is before anyone gives you any more advice.

The 1.8 is a chain cam engine

The 1.8 is not a great choice of engine. It can have a habit of drinking oil and of all the VAG companies only Seat have actually sold a car fitted with that engine since about 2014 when Skoda ceased selling the Mk 2 Superb.

whereas the 1.4 (from 2012) uses a belt.

The belt cam 1.4 (and 1.2) was introduced with the Mk7 Golf and Mk3 Leon in spring 2013. All Superb Mk3's have used the 1.4 belt cam engine (in 2 outputs) but I am pretty sure that the Mk 2 Superb retained the older chain cam engine until it was succeeded by the Mk 3 early in 2015.

Chain cam engines should last the life of the car whereas belts (and other parts) need to be replaced about once every five years.

VAG don't have a great reputation for chains, pretty sure they recommend changing them just like belts.

Assuming the OP is happy to stay with Skoda (they are likely to get a better deal swapping for the same make) they should be able to get an Octavia 1.4 TSi (forget the 1.2 since you have a decent commute to consider) with the belt cam engine for their budget but having looked on Autotrader there is not a single current model 1.4 TSi Superb below £12300. One trader claims to have the "Cheapest New Shape" 2014 Superb at £5990 but the fact that the Mk3 was not introduced until 2105 suggest its a Mk2 as does the photos, like always, dealers are liars.

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - libbyshuss

Skoda have never sold a Mk3 Fabia with a 1.6 engine in the UK so I suggest you check what engine it is before anyone gives you any more advice.

sorry, it's a mk2 fabia 3, I should have been clearer. It's definitely a 1.6 engine! The 1.4 Octavia looks a good shout though, thanks. I like the look of the 1.4 tsi but it could be a budget stretcher.

Edited by libbyshuss on 06/11/2018 at 17:36

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - skidpan

The 1.4 Octavia looks a good shout though, thanks. I like the look of the 1.4 tsi but it could be a budget stretcher.

Another option. The Mk3 Seat Leon is available as an estate which has a huge boot. Rear seat space is OK (but not as good as the Octavia/Superb), that is the main reason we did not buy one.

For your budget you should find one, a quick search on Autotrader throws some up but in truth its rarer than the Octavia.

A bit of info about the Octavia. We have driven 4 in the recent past when we have been planning a purchase, 3 have been estates (2 x 1.4 TSi, 1 x 2.0 TDi) and 1 hatch (1.4 TSi). All 3 estates were intolerably boomy from the load area thus we walked away. The hatch was fine but Skoda had closed the order book at the time so no point pursuing any further. That is why we have a 1.4 TSi Superb hatch.

Prior to the Superb we had a Leon hatch. After we had sold the Ceed estate and it became our main car we found it was a bit small in the rear and much too small for luggage. We coped (just) for about 18 months and as a replacement our initial choice was the Leon estate since the hatch had been magic for 4 years. As I said above, the rear seat space killed the idea immediately.

I mentioned the Kia Ceed estate (they call it the SW - sport wagon) which we had. Your budget should get you a really nice one and providing it has a full main dealer history with a stamped service book you will have the remainder of the 7 year/100,000 mile warranty. We loved ours for 5 years but it was a diesel and when we retired we did not do enough miles to warrant one. The petrol Ceed SW's at the time were only sold with a 1.4 engine and I did not even bother trying one, expected it to be way too slow once out of town (but possibly OK on your motorway commute). Might be worth a look.

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - Xileno

I would spend closer to six grand, it's surprising what you can get if you stick to mass-market fodder. Given your criteria 1 to 4 then Ford Focus would suit. Also Renault Megane. We have run both of these models. Both very comfortable and relaxed on long journeys. Keep to 15 or 16 inch wheels for best suspension comfort.

Modern Renault reliability is now solid, the horror years of 2000 to 2004 may still linger in people's minds though. I don't like chain cams, a belt is preferable provided it's not too costly to change. Most belt intervals are quite long, I think on our Focus it was 100,000 miles or 8 years so in reality a car would have one belt change in its life. I think it was £300 - irrelevant spread over the life span of the car. Just make sure you are not buying just before the belt needs doing or if so build it into your price.

Edited by Xileno on 06/11/2018 at 18:57

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - SLO76
Your usage suits a diesel but your intention to keep for a decade or so almost guarantees some sort of related reliability issue. That said I’d still be going this direction on your budget with one car standing above all others for what you intend on doing... A Honda Civic 1.6 DTEC SE. It’s spacious, practical, it’ll do 60-70mpg easily, it has plenty of go and it has a great reputation for reliability and longevity.

I’d have every confidence one of these could still be running well at 160-200k if it’s properly cared for. You’d no doubt need a DPF at some point in that span but you’ll save £800-£900 plus p/a on fuel and road tax compared to the 1.8 petrol and it's a much torquier engine. Your budget allows for a good low mileage approved used example. Stick with an S or SE for the softer suspension as sportier versions are a bit firm. Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20180808927...2



The Mazda 3 2.0 Skyactiv is another excellent option and will do 50mpg with care. There’s no diesel reliability worries and it’s a nicer drive than the Civic. Above average mileage will destroy its value quickly but as you intend on keeping it till it’s worthless anyway it’s not an issue.

The Toyota Auris 1.2T is a good car but the 1.4 diesel is bad for DPF problems and the larger 1.6 diesel is a chain driven BMW unit with previous history of timing chain issues. The estate is the best model and is always popular used.

The Avensis is a great workhorse. I own one, a 1.8 petrol estate which I recently bought in a private sale for just over £4K and I’d have every confidence in using this big car for the sort of mileage you’re talking about. On local running it does 40mpg with care and will break 50mpg on longer runs if you keep the speed around 70. The pre-facelift diesels use Toyota’s own 2.0 D4-D which is very robust but isn’t fantastic on fuel.
Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - libbyshuss

Thank you, the Mazda 3 in particular looks a great car. As to depreciation, is it worth considering buying a slightly older one so I could sell it on without so much of a loss if I chose to? i don't have to spend all my budget if it makes just as much economic sense to spend half of it

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - skidpan

Thank you, the Mazda 3 in particular looks a great car.

We tried the Mazda 3 2.0 when the wife was changing, without a doubt it was the best looking car in its class and the prices and kit were class leading.

But for us it had serious issues.

Compared to the Leon it had very poor rear access and visibility

The boot was not great and carrying a spare reduced the space even more.

Whilst the engine spec looked good on paper in the real world it simply failed to deliver. It was very sluggish unless revved and when revved the drive was not relaxing.

It made us rethink our needs for another car of that size, we found an alternative with similar performance/economy with more passenger and luggage space or way less money. Thanks Mazda.

As to depreciation, is it worth considering buying a slightly older one so I could sell it on without so much of a loss if I chose to?

An older example of any car will always loose less than a newer example. But buy either way with equal care and an older example has more chance of having an expensive failure wiping out that saving. Take a friend of mine as an example. He would buy a 2 year old car every 2 years convinced it was cheaper than my method of buying a new car every 4 years. I never had any unexpected expenses other than perhaps an exhaust but he had a couple of clutches and in one case a gearbox all of which were without doubt cased by the previous owners less than expert driving. Bet he saved nothing and had all the agro to deal with.

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - SLO76

Thank you, the Mazda 3 in particular looks a great car. As to depreciation, is it worth considering buying a slightly older one so I could sell it on without so much of a loss if I chose to? i don't have to spend all my budget if it makes just as much economic sense to spend half of it

It could do. A previous gen Mazda 3 1.6 petrol is a great cheap family hatch and £3-£4K is plenty to get a good facelifted example. But while it’ll no doubt be reliable it’ll struggle to do much more than 40mpg on a run compared to 60-70mpg with the diesel Civic so the savings you’ll make on depreciation will be hit by the substantial increase in fuel and road tax costs. It’s 50/50, I’d probably go for the newer lower mileage Civic but if a nice older Avensis, Civic or Mazda 3 petrol was on sale nearby at the right money I’d be tempted. I’ve full confidence my £4K Avensis would run to 150-200k no bother. It feels no different to a new one aside for a scuff on one bumper and a bit of wear on the gear-lever which is common on Toyota’s this age thanks to cheap plastics.
Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - Gaarg

What do you think about Ford Aspire? I think it fits your requirements perfectly. I have a car from a friend, bought a new, ride for six months, very happy with the purchase.

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - Gaarg

I advise you to pay attention to the Ford Aspire. You will be pleasantly surprised by its price. Just go for a test drive.

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Edited by Avant on 16/11/2018 at 10:50

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - SLO76

What do you think about Ford Aspire? I think it fits your requirements perfectly. I have a car from a friend, bought a new, ride for six months, very happy with the purchase.

Not available in the UK.
Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - concrete

Your mileage is probably too low to justify a diesel. At average mpg between petrol and diesel you may be looking at about £400 per annum extra for petrol, but the purchase price and maintenance should be lower for petrol. You need to do some sums.

The Skoda Octavia is such a good car. Proven to be reliable and decent to drive. The room inside is good and the boot is huge. After that I would seek out a Honda Civic or Toyota Auris, but with full service history. They are quality makes but need to right to stay right. The cheapest option may well be to go for a Dacia. Have a test drive and see what you think. The Renault petrol engines are very good and you get a lot for your money. Just be prepared to keep it until it owes you nothing as re-sale is not too good.

Good luck, Concrete

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - skidpan

Your mileage is probably too low to justify a diesel. At average mpg between petrol and diesel you may be looking at about £400 per annum extra for petrol, but the purchase price and maintenance should be lower for petrol. You need to do some sums.

The OP's 16,000 miles per annum should in theory be fine for keeping a diesel healthy.

The last diesel we bought saved us quite a sum compared to buying the petrol version over the 5 years we owned it..

2010 Kia Ceed 1.6 CRDi SW. We paid £17000, the petrol was £1000 less. When we sold it back to the garage we bought it from we got £5200 cash (better than WBAC etc). I remember looking at Parkers at the time and their figures suggested that the petrol was worth about £1400 less than the diesel, we were possibly £400 better off with the diesel.

Servicing was the same for both.

VED was less for the diesel, we paid £30 a year, the petrol was £135 (I think), a saving of £105 a year, total £420.

Insurance was probably the same, we were paying the smallest amount that Aviva shows.

Fuel, the diesel was a big saving. We averaged 51 mpg over 45,000 miles, Fuel over that period averaged about £1.27 a litre so total cost was about £5100. Reports from owners on the website (which HJ Real mpg verifies) suggested about 38 mpg for the petrol. Over 45,000 miles the fuel cost at say 5 pence a litre less than diesel would have been about £6600. The saving was about £1500.

So over those 5 years we were approx. £2300 better off plus we had a better car, the 1.6 CRDi was a good drive, the 1.6 petrol was poor in comparison. If we had done the OP's mileage our saving would have been nearer £3500.

But things are different these days, the small turbo petrols are very efficient and good to drive and diesels are not as popular on the used market which has depressed their values. The calculation using 45,000 miles over 5 years would probably show little or no advantage for the diesel and any savings would soon evaporate if the DPF etc gave and problems.

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - libbyshuss

Sorry to resurrect such an old thread but I've meaning to post an update for a while now, mainly to thank everyone for all their help which was greatly appreciated, and also because I hate it when people ask advice and then don't follow up!

Rather sensibly, i decided to keep the Skoda for a while to ensure the job was actually worth the commute, rather than jump straght in and buy a car for a job i wasn't going to keep, so drove that up and down the motorway for a good 4 months. It was.... ok to be honest!

In the end thoguh I went for the petrol Mazda 3, it's ideal for all my needs and looks great too. It took a while for one the right age, mileage, service history and also an automatic (the missis insisted!) to pop up but I'm happy I waited. It's much more comfortable than the little Skoda, the drive is smooth, lacks a little power but that's not really an issue on my commute, and the stereo is great too. visibility isn't great and takes a little getting used too, and I'm really glad I got one with rear parking sensors cos I can barely see a thing out that back window! All in all though I'm very happy, and still look forward to the commute in a morning.

One thing that surprised me in my search was just how comfortable the Focus was. I nearly went for one in the end. I'd originally discounted it mainly because it was so ubiquitous, but guess there's a reason why!

Anyway, thank you all for your invaluable help and advice, I'd never even thought of the Mazda or Honda and you all really helped me focus and narrow down my search and to stop me being distracted by flashy cars with bells and whistles out of my price range

i shall go back to lurking and enjoying learning more!

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - SLO76
“One thing that surprised me in my search was just how comfortable the Focus was. I nearly went for one in the end. I'd originally discounted it mainly because it was so ubiquitous, but guess there's a reason why!”


I’m glad you went for the Mazda instead. The Focus is great but very dependent on which engine and gearbox gearbox you pick. The 1.6 Yamaha designed petrol with manual gearbox is an excellent used car but avoid anything with the 1.0 Ecoboost or the Powershift auto. Both are notoriously unreliable.

The Mazda is an outstanding choice even more so if you want an auto as it uses a tried and tested torque converter transmission with no real vices. It’s what I would’ve bought and I’ve every confidence it’ll serve you well. Thanks for getting back to us. Hopefully you’ll keep us posted of how it does.

Edited by SLO76 on 12/06/2019 at 14:15

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - barney100

Skoda seems to suit you, how about an octavia estate?

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - trebor1
I concur with one of the earliest posters reply -

Dacia Sandero or sandero stepway. You can buy one new on your budget. Pay £350 upfront for the 3 year service pack and as it has a three year guarantee so you have 3 years peace of mind and no further outlay on maintenance.

Having driven regularly a stepway with the 1.5 diesel it was very quick and returned 55mpg. The boot is a decent size and easily takes 4 or 5 adults. I understand the petrol engines are good too if you prefer.

The stereo was good with a touchscreen media unit with sat nav and a good easy to use media player so all your music collection will be in one place ( no glove box and side storage bursting with cds!)

Definitely worth a test drive imo. Motoring press and owners generally give positive reviews too!

Just another option rather than the second hand suggestions already made.
Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - macscrooge

Last year I replaced my son's Fabia with a Kia Ceed 1.6D estate. 4 years old, still had 3 years warranty and change out of £8k. I find it a nice car to drive (and my daily ride is a BMW 435...) Good dealer service too.

Advice for new car - i've confused myself! - SLO76
OP bought a Mazda 3 Skyactiv auto, a cracking wee family car.