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Any emergency vehicle - Why are they ignoring the hard shoulder? - Benet

Recently my regular rush hour plod around the M25 has been (further) spoilt by two incidents of cars charging along the inside lane with blue lights and sirens going, forcing those of us driving in the lane to pull left very quickly, or even pull right, perilously close to the central reservation. One was a BMW and the other was a small white fiesta-type van. I suppose they were both unmarked police cars (unless they'd bought their blue lights at Halfords!) I feel it is rude arrogant and dangerous for these drivers to weave between lanes like a motorbike, when the hard shoulder exists for this very purpose.

This happened last week in the evening, somewhere between Junction 22 and 20 on the anticlockwise. Does anyone know why this is happening?

Edited by Benet on 30/10/2018 at 15:55

Any emergency vehicle - Why are they ignoring the hard shoulder? - badbusdriver

Not sure about the hard shoulder question, but the emergency services can't 'force' you to make a dangerous manoeuvre. You are in control of your vehicle, you pull out of the way when and where it is safe to do so.

Any emergency vehicle - Why are they ignoring the hard shoulder? - TheGentlemanThug

I assume emergency vehicles don't use the hard shoulder because it's a refuge area and may have a vehicle on it. If the traffic on the motorway had come to a complete stop then I'd expect they would use it.

I'm familiar with that stretch of the M25 and can appreciate how busy it gets, so I assume another reason why the shoulder isn't used is because some dim-witted driver may suddenly exit the motorway right into the path of the emergency vehicle.

There are also brief stretches where there is no shoulder.

Any emergency vehicle - Why are they ignoring the hard shoulder? - Manatee

I wouldn't want to be doing 100mph on the hard shoulder and I don't think I've ever seen an emergency vehicle doing that. Usually they are in the outermost lanes.

Nobody expects to be undertaken on the hard shoulder. It's also more likely to have debris on it.

>>hard shoulder exists for this very purpose

I don't think that is the case - it's for stopping in an emergency isn't it?

Any emergency vehicle - Why are they ignoring the hard shoulder? - Benet

I don't think that is the case - it's for stopping in an emergency isn't it?

Surely it is both for 'civilians' to stop in an emergency *and* for emergency vehicles that need to get on. Until last year, over 30 years + motorway driving, I always used to see 'blues & twos' vehicles travelling on the hard shoulder (even in heavy traffic). Now the training seems to have changed.

Edited by Benet on 30/10/2018 at 16:41

Any emergency vehicle - Why are they ignoring the hard shoulder? - Bromptonaut

I've often seen them use the hard shoulder with caution when the carriageway is blocked. Never been aware of them using it to 'undertake' moving traffic at pace. There are all sorts of reasons not to including poor surface condition, debris, discontinuity and risk to stranded vehicle.

If they're going somewhere fast I'd expect them to be in so called 'fast lane'. The fact that they have to weave like motorbikes simply reflects the lamentable lane discipline on UK motorways.

Any emergency vehicle - Why are they ignoring the hard shoulder? - Wee Willie Winkie

As a 'big yellow taxi driver', I would only use the hard shoulder if the main carriageway was crawling or at a standstill. Maximum 40mph whilst on the hard shouider; with lights and sirens activated.

Any emergency vehicle - Why are they ignoring the hard shoulder? - Benet

As a 'big yellow taxi driver', I would only use the hard shoulder if the main carriageway was crawling or at a standstill. Maximum 40mph whilst on the hard shouider; with lights and sirens activated.

This was the expert knowledge I was looking for. Thank you!

Any emergency vehicle - Why are they ignoring the hard shoulder? - barney100

Not every blues and twos is an emergency. apparently it is part of driver training to do a long trip with the lot on. Bloke I know did a trip from London up the M1, think it was somewhere in Yorkshire.

Any emergency vehicle - Why are they ignoring the hard shoulder? - KB.

I've a suspicion that if you were having a stroke / heart attack, or your trousers were on fire, you'd just be grateful to see them and overlook their making haste to get there.