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too much info? - all - barney100

Do all the distractions in a car reduce concentrating on driving? Sat nav screens, audio equipment, screens for basic functions which require you to search about 'til you find the one you want. All this sort of thing puts your eyes in the car rather than on the road.

too much info? - all - RT

In a word, yes.

Having controls on a touch-screen means you have to look at it to get your finger in the right place - buttons can be located in the dark without looking.

Part of my justification for an old school SUV was that most controls are buttons or knobs, with little of the touch-screen for everything you find on Range Rovers and Volvos.

too much info? - all - gordonbennet

It's not so much more rubbish to faff about with, it's that increasingly less of it has anything to do with actual vehicle control, which increasingly the vehicle is taking over leaving the person behind the wheel vegetating...ie automatic gearboxes braking parking brakes wipers lights hill hold lane departure etc, the latter now amazingly interfere with the steering on some cars but not a car i would ever own.

too much info? - all - Bolt

It's not so much more rubbish to faff about with, it's that increasingly less of it has anything to do with actual vehicle control, which increasingly the vehicle is taking over leaving the person behind the wheel vegetating...ie automatic gearboxes braking parking brakes wipers lights hill hold lane departure etc, the latter now amazingly interfere with the steering on some cars but not a car i would ever own.

I suspect the new EVs will have full led sensor touch screen where everything is controlled from- thing is with the amount of people about that do not concentrate on the road they need these controls to do what they are not doing(as wrong as it is)

I drove past a 4x4 yesterday, woman trying to control children in the back of car, head looking in the back while travelling at plus 30mph with traffic in front, it surprises me these drivers do not have accidents, so I can understand why these aids are put on motors especially for these people

I expect more and more helpful or not trickery will be put on cars as EVs start rolling out!

Edited by bolt on 26/10/2018 at 10:49

too much info? - all - Leif

The most distracting thing in my car is the air con. When I turn on recirculate, the air con comes on automatically. So I have to press a second button to turn air con off. It drives me mad and means I spend 3 times as long looking down rather than ahead.

I do agree that plain touchscreens are distracting.

Touchscreens with no buttons are becoming more common because they are cheaper to make than ones with buttons. However, there is a new technology that allows a touchscreen to sense a finger near the screen. This means that the car maker can place a plastic overlay on top of the screen, with buttons engraved in to the overlay. When the user presses an imitation button, the screen senses the proximity, and sends back 'haptic feedback', basically a vibration that makes it feel like you are pressing a button. A good example of this is the button on an iPhone. The advantage to you and me is that it is easy to locate one of these 'buttons' by touch, since each one can be convex or concave making it distinct from the rest of the screen. Similarly you can make dial controls, whereby moving the finger around the edge of a circular depression acts as per a wheel control.

too much info? - all - gordonbennet

My Landcruiser has a touch screen, but i barely touch the thing from one month to the next, in fact i have it in permanent darkness except for the rare times the sat nav is used, just below the screen are separate push switches for temp controls for both sides (the rear has its own aircon controls entirely) plus front/rear demisters etc, just as the sound system below that has its own push switches, so once you've learned where these are by feel having pre set the system up whilst stationary there is no need at all to go searching for touch screen buttons on the move...ie CD and track changes are controlled by real switches.

Annoying as it might be for some people, i agree with Toyota's policy of the the sat nav being unable to be toyed with on the move, very difficult to bypass and if you do find the method (several minutes of precise touching so counter productive) it defaults back to no once the car is switched off.

Edited by gordonbennet on 26/10/2018 at 11:38

too much info? - all - Manatee

The most distracting thing in my car is the air con. When I turn on recirculate, the air con comes on automatically. So I have to press a second button to turn air con off.

It's to reduce the likelihood of fogging, which happens very quickly on recirc unless all occupants hold their breath. Why not just leave it on? Mine is never turned off.

too much info? - all - TheGentlemanThug

My biggest issue with modern cars is the touchscreen, which, as others have said, is a very real safety issue.

If I want to use a touchscreen device, I have to take my eyes away from everything else to operate it. With physical buttons and knobs, I can feel my way around once I know where everything is. This way, I can easily adjust what I need to without breaking my concentration.

As with a lot of things in modern cars, touchscreens are a solution to a problem that never existed. They're change for the sake of change.

too much info? - all - Engineer Andy

Couldn't agree more. Just like electronic parking brakes, which ironically are nowing being installed so the car can have an I-drive style rotating control where the handbrake used to be. They go from one extreme (way to many buttons) to almost none and touchscreens.

What happens (as seemingly does happen quite a bit, as with mobile phones and tablets) with the touchscreen when it freezes/goes wrong? Stop the car, turn off and reboot, or somehow do so when driving, possibly causing a serious accident?

Car manufacturers seem to be in a race to who puts the most tech on cars without reallly testing them to see how well they work from a reliability and egonomic persepctive.

too much info? - all - veloceman
Also too often during road tests you find a car has come last in a group test purely because the ‘infotainment system’ is inferior to others.

too much info? - all - TheGentlemanThug

What concerns me the most is that the touchscreen may gradually occupy almost every function in the car and physical buttons and knobs will quickly become a thing of the past.

If I want to change the temperature in my car, I can do so with a knob which is right next to the steering wheel. I know what it feels like and the physical feedback means I know how much I need to turn it. I wonder how I'd do that with a touchscreen? Something like open the menu, select the heating setting and adjust a slider? Yeah, fantastic...

Edited by Bicycle_Repair_Man on 26/10/2018 at 17:08

too much info? - all - skidpan

Do all the distractions in a car reduce concentrating on driving? Sat nav screens, audio equipment, screens for basic functions which require you to search about 'til you find the one you want. All this sort of thing puts your eyes in the car rather than on the road.

I remember a few years back when the ludites were rejoicing about the (re)-introduction of the Dacia brand with the attraction of cheap, no frills motoring. This forum had many advocates of these cars but I don't seem to recall many actually taking the plunge and buying one.

We have a Dacia dealer locally and despite this the number on our roads is tiny, you can go for many days (or even weeks) without seeing one (other than the Logan Taxis if you go into town which seem to have replaced the Skoda Rapid and its clone). The really basic one with sod all kit (easily recognisable with the black bumpers is a very rare species, think i have only ever seen one.

So for all those who don't want modern kit there is an answer but in reality no one seems to be putting their money where their mouth (or keyboard finger) is.

too much info? - all - smallcar
I’ve seen a lot more Dacias in recent trips to rural parts of Italy, France and Spain. I wonder if there is just a more practical no nonsense attitude to having a car there. Also saw more older simple cars on the road eg Fiat Uno, panda, Early Clio, basic golfs. I wonder if they less appetite for the PCP latest numberplate fashion that we have?
too much info? - all - Bolt

Car manufacturers seem to be in a race to who puts the most tech on cars without reallly testing them to see how well they work from a reliability and egonomic persepctive.

wouldn't be much point, by the time they have tested and agreed on ergonomics the tech is out of date, like computer tech, as fast as they make a new processor-a newer one is being designed, cars are no different now and will only get worse

R&D is working so fast now its difficult to keep up

too much info? - all - mcb100
What’s becoming more prevalent now, but probably underused, is voice control over many of the touchscreen functions. Regularly, a car will have two voice commands - typically a short push on the voice button will activate the car’s voice control system, while a longer push will enable Siri or the Android equivalent if CarPlay or Android Auto are installed.
The downside to voice control is that it’ll involve RTFM to know it’s there...
too much info? - all - paul 1963

My Moka x actually comes up with a warning telling you to concentrate on the road if you fiddle to much whilst driving.....

too much info? - all - focussed
What’s becoming more prevalent now, but probably underused, is voice control over many of the touchscreen functions. Regularly, a car will have two voice commands - typically a short push on the voice button will activate the car’s voice control system, while a longer push will enable Siri or the Android equivalent if CarPlay or Android Auto are installed. The downside to voice control is that it’ll involve RTFM to know it’s there...

I've got voice control over just about everything in my '15 Accord - the downside is memorising a list of hundreds of voice commands, I just end up using the basic commands for heater, sat nav etc.

too much info? - all - focussed
What’s becoming more prevalent now, but probably underused, is voice control over many of the touchscreen functions. Regularly, a car will have two voice commands - typically a short push on the voice button will activate the car’s voice control system, while a longer push will enable Siri or the Android equivalent if CarPlay or Android Auto are installed. The downside to voice control is that it’ll involve RTFM to know it’s there...

The other downside is remembering the dozens of voice commands............!!!

too much info? - all - hillman

Barny 100

"Do all the distractions in a car reduce concentrating on driving? Sat nav screens, audio equipment, screens for basic functions which require you to search about 'til you find the one you want. All this sort of thing puts your eyes in the car rather than on the road."

It's to prepare us for the fully automatic car that drives itself. By the time you have worked out the 'Infotainment' system you're there.

too much info? - all - Ethan Edwards

Tech may be causing the issue but Tech is also solving it. Even today's mainstream cars a lot are coming with early primitive voice controls. Doesn't take a genius to see that this is going to grow and take over the ancillary functions really soon. Even my Suzukis I can play music or navigate to places and probably more by voice. Exciting times we live in.

too much info? - all - James2018

Too much info...

My car bleeps and bongs and pings and burbles with all sorts of warning noises. Cross a white line and not only does it burble but it wrestles the car back to the centre of the lane - Fine on the motorway but a real pain on local "B" roads where crossing the line can't be avoided.

The ones I which were louder and more "alarming" are the "You're about to crash" warning and the "There's a speed camera round the corner" warning, but they are the quietist.

I recall there was an issue with fighter pilots in the Vietnam War. There were so many warning pings and bleeps that they overwhelmed the pilots who missed the important ones - like there's a heat seeking missile on your tail!

too much info? - all - expat

My car bleeps and bongs and pings and burbles with all sorts of warning noises.

They come from sensors mounted inside your bumpers and probably in the wing mirrors also. This means that if you get bumped the sensors will have to be replaced no doubt at great cost.

too much info? - all - Andrew-T

My car bleeps and bongs and pings and burbles with all sorts of warning noises. Cross a white line and not only does it burble but it wrestles the car back to the centre of the lane - Fine on the motorway but a real pain on local "B" roads where crossing the line can't be avoided.

Can you not disable the system if it gets too annoying?

too much info? - all - expat

"Can you not disable the system if it gets too annoying?"

Would disabling the warnings affect your insurance? In the event of an accident the insurance company might say that you were at fault because you switched the safety warnings off.

too much info? - all - RT

"Can you not disable the system if it gets too annoying?"

Would disabling the warnings affect your insurance? In the event of an accident the insurance company might say that you were at fault because you switched the safety warnings off.

How can it be a problem if the switch off is a standard feature of the car

too much info? - all - gordonbennet

How can it be a problem if the switch off is a standard feature of the car

Welcome to my world, the exact situation we have in lorries.

If you turn the thing off and have an accident then not only will you be held at least partly to blame, but a gross misconduct charge from your employer is likely.

If you don't turn the thing off and AEBS causes an accident, then i refer me learned friend to the relevant pages of the driver's manual, which in weasel words informs that these systems might not work correctly in all circumstances, explaining that the driver is still responsible, it might be interesting to peruse car manuals on vehicles so fitted and see what the wording is.

So catch 22...fortunately none of the current lorry systems interfere in any way with the steering and once the top level are informed of this situation where i work such vehicles would almost certainly be returned.

I am surprised that people are prepared to buy cars that fight the driver for steering control depending on the white lines the vehicle thinks it can see, you couldn't give me a car that does this for free.

too much info? - all - Andrew-T

"Can you not disable the system if it gets too annoying?"

Would disabling the warnings affect your insurance? In the event of an accident the insurance company might say that you were at fault because you switched the safety warnings off.

Well, turn the volume down to zero then ......

too much info? - all - nick62

Having worked in Europe quite a lot, particularly in the last 12 months (using rental cars), I find LHD cars are so much easier to "use" for right-handed people - ESPECIALLY the touch screen!

too much info? - all - Engineer Andy

Having worked in Europe quite a lot, particularly in the last 12 months (using rental cars), I find LHD cars are so much easier to "use" for right-handed people - ESPECIALLY the touch screen!

Good point, Nick.

too much info? - all - Andrew-T

Doesn't take a genius to see that this is going to grow and take over the ancillary functions really soon. Even my Suzukis I can play music or navigate to places and probably more by voice. Exciting times we live in.

All this thread has finally killed any remaining urge I may have had to replace our two cars aged 10 and 28. They may be harder 'manual' work to drive, but at least they allow (and require) concentration on the road ahead - and also allow a residual amount of possible DiY.

too much info? - all - Engineer Andy

Doesn't take a genius to see that this is going to grow and take over the ancillary functions really soon. Even my Suzukis I can play music or navigate to places and probably more by voice. Exciting times we live in.

All this thread has finally killed any remaining urge I may have had to replace our two cars aged 10 and 28. They may be harder 'manual' work to drive, but at least they allow (and require) concentration on the road ahead - and also allow a residual amount of possible DiY.

You're not the only one. And I'm still 20+ years away from getting my free bus pass and am seemingly alread in 'old geezer' mode! To be fair, some cars are trying (though not really succeeding - yet) to go for a decent compromise.

too much info? - all - nick62

You're not the only one. And I'm still 20+ years away from getting my free bus pass and am seemingly already in 'old geezer' mode! ..........................................

Just wait until your 55th birthday is a vague memory............... it only gets worse, (grumpy old men and all that).

On a completely different matter, I was queuing at the bar in Brussels Airport last week. After a couple of minutes, one of the barmen told me I had to queue on the opposite side............ When I had walked around, I noticed there were no pumps or prices on this side of the bar. When he served the people in front of me, he struggled to bring three or four drinks from the other side. It transpired that the till was out of action where the pumps were, but he seemed to think it was easier to carry every drink around the bar, rather than a few notes and coins!!!! Priceless.

too much info? - all - Engineer Andy

<facepalm>

too much info? - all - Bilboman

Particularly regarding heating and ventilation, I think the time has come to simplify things as much as possible, maybe allowing for a maximum of SIX preset positions (which could easily go on a rotary dialler located somewhere intelligent), e.g. "I'm cold; warm me up"; "I'm all misted up, please de-fog". And the almost obsolete "cool air to my face, warm to my feet please" option, once championed by a handful of British and Swedish carmakers.
The controls on my Auris,which are thankfully separate from the pretty good touchscreen, aren't bad, but I think the 0.5 degree temperature increments are verging on the OCD (I rarely have to transport unpasteurised cheese.)
Voice control likewise needs to be limited to six options tops and no silly submenus; we're meant to be driving a car, not share trading on Wall Street over the phone.

too much info? - all - corax

And the almost obsolete "cool air to my face, warm to my feet please" option, once championed by a handful of British and Swedish carmakers.

Still an option on BMW's and Mercedes, but sadly disappeared on most cars. The human body hasn't changed (yet), so why should ventilation options? Although at the rate we're going, I expect the species to transform into a kind of pot bellied being with virtually non functioning limbs and bulbous, watery eyes specialised for staring at screens all day. The designers are certainly speeding things up.

too much info? - all - Bilboman

If it's not already too late to take control of car specifications (I'm not overtly linking this rant to Brexit, by the way, although some will undoubtedly construe it thus!) I suspect there would be a groundswell of support for changing some features of modern cars back to "the way they used to be"; e.g.
Opening quarterlights and sunroofs for all (with AirCon as an option) for infinitely customisable ventilation;
Indicator on the right, wipers on the left (as they still have in Japan, Australia and NZ!)
Panel light illumination OFF until lights are switched ON.
Nice chunky knobs on the dashboard to adjust the fan, radio channel and volume.
A nice big centrally mounted ashtray, plus smaller ones on all the passenger doors, to stuff sweet wrappers in.
And a pull up handbrake with a button on the end.

Edited by Bilboman on 30/10/2018 at 11:56

too much info? - all - nick62


Panel light illumination OFF until lights are switched ON.

+1, I always wonder if that is why you see so many cars with no lights on (when it's dark) in built-up areas?

Edited by nick62 on 04/11/2018 at 11:22

too much info? - all - Engineer Andy


Panel light illumination OFF until lights are switched ON.

+1, I always wonder if that is why you see so many cars with no lights on (when it's dark) in built-up areas?

That and I notice it's more prevalent in areas that have switched over from the older yellow-orange sodium street lights to white LEDs. I live on a non-adopted development and we use metal halide lamps which also give off a white light (higher light level than both the other two as well) and often I see people (especially visitors) driving away at night with no lights on as a result.

too much info? - all - Engineer Andy

And the almost obsolete "cool air to my face, warm to my feet please" option, once championed by a handful of British and Swedish carmakers.

Still an option on BMW's and Mercedes, but sadly disappeared on most cars. The human body hasn't changed (yet), so why should ventilation options? Although at the rate we're going, I expect the species to transform into a kind of pot bellied being with virtually non functioning limbs and bulbous, watery eyes specialised for staring at screens all day. The designers are certainly speeding things up.

I think that modern A/C and fan systems are better at keeping the intire interior of the car at one temperature by automatically adjusting where the air comes out and how much/what temperature to achieve the desired temperature.

As someone who has design A/C and ventilation sytems in buildings for nearly two decades, the 'dual zone' climate control facility is a bit similar to what these older cars had, but IMHO is a gimmic, as the car doesn't have a phyiscal divide so that the LHS is at one temperature and the RHS at another - all that happens is that the system fights itself and nobody is happy, as the air just mixes - the greater the disparity in desired temperature, the worse it gets.

No problem in directing more of the heat at your feet and hands when its cold to quickly warm them up, but the sensors should know when that is appropriate and when keeping the front windscreen demisted is more important. One of the problems with using modern cars (or separate sat-navs/mobile phones as satnavs) is that you cannot use the touch screen easily or at all if you are wearing driving gloves (still usefull when it's cold), because the units don't recognise the gloves (leather type ones) the same as fingers. Or at least they don't when I use them (maybe it's just me).