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Which new small SUV to buy? - Damian Swindells

I'm thinking of buying a new small SUV,and have a choice of just two.

Dacia Duster 1.6 SCe Comfort 2wd v MG ZS 1.5 VTi-TECH Excite.

Only a small choice I agree,but would be interested in honest opinions.I'd be looking to keep the car for at least 5 years,so would the MG 7 year warranty tilt the decision that way? Or are the slightly better looks of the Dacia,and it's better retained value,more of a pull?

Which new small SUV to buy? - SLO76
If I had to pick from these two it would be the Dacia all day. It’s the more honest car, it’s quite well liked by the trade who will buy them without quibble in good condition and although the 1.6 petrol is the worst of the range it’s well proven and quite robust.

I’d far far far rather buy something vastly superior used however...


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All of these and a few other options will hold their value far better, be better made, nicer to drive, safer, more reliable, better to look at and generally much better to own than either of your new options.

Edited by SLO76 on 06/10/2018 at 21:55

Which new small SUV to buy? - Ethan Edwards

I had a 1.6 Tucson for a week . Awful car. Sluggish thirsty and everything else was pretty average. A 18 model with two thousand on the clock. Glad to get back to my 1.4t Vitara S.

Which new small SUV to buy? - SLO76

I had a 1.6 Tucson for a week . Awful car. Sluggish thirsty and everything else was pretty average. A 18 model with two thousand on the clock. Glad to get back to my 1.4t Vitara S.

Reliable and far better to drive than the Duster or MG though. Agree with the Vitara though, the 1.4t is a good model. I just didn’t see one at this money.
Which new small SUV to buy? - Ethan Edwards

Cheers. I like it. I do about 20k a year so I spend a lot of time behind the wheel.

Which new small SUV to buy? - SLO76

Cheers. I like it. I do about 20k a year so I spend a lot of time behind the wheel.

Must be one of the higher mileage owners. How is it coping? Suzuki petrol models rarely go wrong so I’d imagine it’ll do you well.
Which new small SUV to buy? - Ethan Edwards

No drama at all. When l hit 5k I found the mpg improved by almost 10pct. Still a nice place to be.

Which new small SUV to buy? - mss1tw

To save making a new thread, SLO76 as you work in the trade, how often do you come across a Grand Vitara V6 petrol with manual trans in good condition? I've had a look on the usual online places but no idea if they are good prices for the condition.

I don't mind paying more for a quality used vehicle, I thought I had with the current one, but The CRV isn't filling me confidence and I might bin it off after winter. No point risking crashing/being crashed into in something decent

Which new small SUV to buy? - SLO76

To save making a new thread, SLO76 as you work in the trade, how often do you come across a Grand Vitara V6 petrol with manual trans in good condition? I've had a look on the usual online places but no idea if they are good prices for the condition.

I don't mind paying more for a quality used vehicle, I thought I had with the current one, but The CRV isn't filling me confidence and I might bin it off after winter. No point risking crashing/being crashed into in something decent

They’re fairly rare largely because they’re horrendously thirsty, you’ll be lucky to beat 20mpg day to day with one of these. Tough and longlived but £315 to tax and pretty horrid to drive too. If you really need off-road ability then they’re great in the mud but the 4cyl 2.0 is actually hardly any slower in most situations and is better on juice. Better yet would be the next gen with the 4cyl 2.4 petrol which is better to drive and will do 30mpg. Do you really need a 4wd? What is your budget and what sort of use will it see?
Which new small SUV to buy? - mss1tw

They’re fairly rare largely because they’re horrendously thirsty, you’ll be lucky to beat 20mpg day to day with one of these. Tough and longlived but £315 to tax and pretty horrid to drive too. If you really need off-road ability then they’re great in the mud but the 4cyl 2.0 is actually hardly any slower in most situations and is better on juice. Better yet would be the next gen with the 4cyl 2.4 petrol which is better to drive and will do 30mpg. Do you really need a 4wd? What is your budget and what sort of use will it see?

Am I right in thinking the later versions only have a 4WD 'button' rather than a proper dual lever setup? I am wary of these having seen a Navara basically stuck being 2WD all because of a sensor. (The mechanicals were fine)

The 'need' part is hard to quantify as I work in construction and when I have time like to do some horsing, so I won't need it until I really need it, if that makes sense. Generally it will be lugging tools around.

Budget is irrelevant as a decent one costs whatever it costs! (Still less than a good Toyota)

Which new small SUV to buy? - SLO76
“Budget is irrelevant as a decent one costs whatever it costs! (Still less than a good Toyota)”

If budget is irrelevant then it’s best to spend more on the newer better car. I’m not even sure if the later car has a button or not, I think it does but you’d need to check. Electronically they’re good with problems fairly rare so I wouldn’t be too concerned and the Navara you mention is basically a Renault underneath so they’re pretty poor reliability wise. Personally I’d rather have a later petrol Honda CRV or Toyota RAV4. Both will cope with minor off-road use depending on the sort of tyres you fit. They’re much nicer on the road though and have more space in the boot for tools etc especially the CRV.
Which new small SUV to buy? - mss1tw
“Budget is irrelevant as a decent one costs whatever it costs! (Still less than a good Toyota)” If budget is irrelevant then it’s best to spend more on the newer better car. I’m not even sure if the later car has a button or not, I think it does but you’d need to check. Electronically they’re good with problems fairly rare so I wouldn’t be too concerned and the Navara you mention is basically a Renault underneath so they’re pretty poor reliability wise. Personally I’d rather have a later petrol Honda CRV or Toyota RAV4. Both will cope with minor off-road use depending on the sort of tyres you fit. They’re much nicer on the road though and have more space in the boot for tools etc especially the CRV.

OK, sounds like you'd be happy to sell a later version yourself, electronic 4WD or not.

Wasn't expecting you to rate the CRV so highly, I won't rule a later version out in that case. RAV4 as you say is a bit small.

Which new small SUV to buy? - Avant

There's a comparison test in this month's What Car between the Duster and the MG GS (which is of comparable size). Also look at the reviews on this site.

What Car comes to the same conclusion as SLO: the Duster is better than the GS apart from its poor acceleration, but a used something else is better than either. They suggest a nearly-new SEAT Ateca or Nissan Qashqai - although if I were buying nearly-new I'd be looking for somethng with a longer manufacturer's warranty.

Which new small SUV to buy? - badbusdriver

Another obvious choice if buying a smallish new SUV on a budget is the Ssangyong Tivoli. I'm wondering if there is any particular reason the OP is not considering one of those?. Especially now that all Ssangyong models come with a 7 year warranty too.

Having said that, overall I think I'd go with the Duster even including the Tivoli.

Which new small SUV to buy? - John F

OP said 'small'. I shall be looking for a used one (automatic) soon - my top armchair choices so far - Peugeot 2008 and Seat Arona. Plus possibly Audi Q2 but as much the same as the Arona it seems poor value for money - which as always is top priority for me!

Which new small SUV to buy? - badbusdriver

OP said 'small'. I shall be looking for a used one (automatic) soon - my top armchair choices so far - Peugeot 2008 and Seat Arona. Plus possibly Audi Q2 but as much the same as the Arona it seems poor value for money - which as always is top priority for me!

I'm not sure I'd be looking at any of the VAG offerings as an 'auto' due to the DSG gearbox.

Going back to the Duster though, I am curious to know why the new model is not available with the 1.2t engine, which surely would be better to drive than the n/a 1.6. After all, the 1.2t was available in the previous model. Doesn't have that much more bhp, but the extra torque at much lower revs would make it a more relaxing drive, as a manual anyway. My mate has one and loves it.

Which new small SUV to buy? - SLO76
OP doesn’t mention auto. I wouldn’t recommend a VAG auto either.
Which new small SUV to buy? - John F
OP doesn’t mention auto. I wouldn’t recommend a VAG auto either.

I thought the problems were in pre-2014 boxes - either the dry clutch ones which wore prematurely (always best to slip into N at the lights) - or the wet clutch ones which used synthetic oil causing short circuit problems. Now they use mineral oil they are supposed to be OK. Is not that the case?

I suppose the jury is still out because few three year old boxes will have done 100,000m which I regard as a bare minimum for powertrain reliability these days.

Which new small SUV to buy? - KB.

Apropos of nothing really, I spotted reference to Ssangyong Tivoli above and the increased warranty to 7 yrs.

Prompted me to look again. Last time I looked I thought they were OK to look at but our nearest dealer isn't that conveniently placed and I didn't fancy a SSangyong, for whatever reason, despite the apparent cheapness.

More to the point, whilst looking at the specs happened to see how readily available tyres were on Tivioli. Am slightly aware of this coz my current car has tyres that are of a more expensive size compared to other, similar tyres but just a millimeter or so different in size.

Turns out the base Tivoli is (according to them) OK with tyres sized at 205/60/16, and the wheels are ordinary alloys and, at 16", a sensible size.

Next spec up has 215/60/18. Nightmare! Hardly anyone sells tyres that fit. And those that are available are expensive. At least the wheels are still normal alloys.

Next spec up has 215/45/18 on diamond cut alloys. Hardly anyone lists that size plus they're elastic ban height plus the diamond cut wheels cost a fortune to fix when scraped plus they're more likely to get scraped with skinny tyres.

Did also see the paint is covered for three yrs, the clutch and brakes for one, but most major components now, evidently, covered for seven. Can't remember what Kia and Hyundai says about paint, might be the same?

Don't think I'll do any more research though. Just not all that keen and residuals aren't likely to be great I guess .... maybe makes the Duster look slightly more appealing, but then again, it's a budget Renault .... quite a few wouldn't buy a Renault and even more might feel less inclined to have a budget one? Point taken re. the fact that owners seem to like them though.

Which new small SUV to buy? - SLO76
“I suppose the jury is still out because few three year old boxes will have done 100,000m which I regard as a bare minimum for powertrain reliability these days.”

Correct and to date no car manufacturer has managed to make these automated manual gearboxes reliable, the Japs and even Ford have tried and now given up. I have no faith in them although truck and bus manufacturers have been able to use them reliable but there’s less in the way of weight and cost constraints with over £100k and 15 tonnes of coach.
Which new small SUV to buy? - SteveLee
no car manufacturer has managed to make these automated manual gearboxes reliable

Hyundai/Kia have. But agreed, a lot of them do go wrong from most manufacturers.

Back to the post, I'd buy the MG assuming there's a dealer within a reasonable distance, walk in and offer the midrange price for the top of the range model and leave your number - they'll call back when they're a car or two short of their targets. Yeah it's not the best car in its class - but it's not bad either and it is blooming good value.

Which new small SUV to buy? - SLO76
“Hyundai/Kia have. But agreed, a lot of them do go wrong from most manufacturers.”

True I haven’t heard any issues as yet but it’s still early days and since the most common major failure on Hyundai and Kia’s is usually gearbox or clutch related I don’t hold out much faith in the longterm. It’s just too complex.
Which new small SUV to buy? - S40 Man

I tried a Tivolli when they had an offer of a free trail in exchange for £10 M&S voucher. This never arrived. I didn't enjoy driving the Tivolli. Inside it was OK and it looked quite funky but the handling and general driving experience wasn't very pleasant.

A colleague has a duster it's a nice place to sit and looks quite nice. He used to have a diesel but swapped for petrol one. Says the diesel head now power but petrol I've it's OK if you give it some beans.