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Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Richard wall
Hello all I think I’m in love with a approved used RR vouge or Westminster. So includes a 2 year Landrover warranty. I’ve read HJ good and Bad and peoples reviews about things that go wrong. I was just wondering if anyone has had positive experiences of buying one of these second hand. I’ve got about £40k to spend..

I know service maybe expensive but was just wondering if it’s a pipe dream for a lay persons to own one.

Thanks all
Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Ethan Edwards

If it's your dream just go for it. But you have deeper pockets than me! The Chancellor of the Exchequer should put you on his Christmas card list for all the revenue you are about to contribute. Hope you get a good one.

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Richard wall
lol thanks there must be a way
Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - gordonbennet

What a lovely vehicle to be in and drive, but it would have to be a company car for me to entertain one, there is so much to go wrong and the depreciation is staggering.

If you really don't mind spending a full £40k, then you might look at one of the very rare Landcruiser Amazon 200 models with the V8 Diesel, no longer sold new here but still a current vehicle in countries where absolute dependability is valued, a far more robust and durable vehicle, and it's value won't vanish before your eyes.

Sorry but everyone i know who has bought RR's would tell you of the lists of problems that emptied their wallets continually.

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - SLO76
They’ve a very justified poor reputation in the trade. Loads of toys, lovely to sit in but underneath the quality is terrible and they’ve over-complex. They buy them in only when there’s plenty of margin to compensate for the almost guaranteed hassle and the fact that warranty firms demand double premium.

If it’s an itch that simply must be scratched then buy a good low mileage approved used example and expect to pay through the nose for main dealer servicing and repairs plus it’ll plummet in value beyond 5yrs as those reliability fears push them out of main dealer used lots.

I’d suggest looking at leasing a new one to protect yourself, shop around and it could quite possibly be cheaper than buying over 3-4yrs thanks to the huge discounts the leasing firms get.

I’d buy one only if money really isn’t a worry but if I were to win the lottery on Saturday there will be a space reserved in my huge new drive for a full blown Range Rover.
Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Richard wall
Oh dear this is bad news ... i was looking at a 2013-2015. As I say comes with a 2 year approved warranty. Are there any positive stories out there ?
Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - SLO76
Oh dear this is bad news ... i was looking at a 2013-2015. As I say comes with a 2 year approved warranty. Are there any positive stories out there ?

Keep it until the warranty is up and you’ll enjoy the luxury but get rid of before it’s up and accept it’ll be a very costly love affair. If you’re concerned about money at all then don’t do it as it’ll likely cost you a five figure sum in depreciation every year. Pay £40k today and you’ll be very lucky to see £10k in 3yrs.
Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - badbusdriver

Positive stories?, maybe, the motoring press loves them. Just don't go looking at reliablity surveys, i think the last one i saw had LR products occupying 5 of the bottom 10 slots.

Good luck if you go ahead with it, you'll certainly need it!

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Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - SLO76
Quick look online shows some reasonable lease deals. This would be cheaper than buying a used one if you’re only doing a limited mileage, remember it’s set at 8k p/a in this quote. Cost here over 4yrs £22,372 which is less than the depreciation you’ll suffer on £40k of used RR. I know this might not be the model you want it’s just an example and shows why the bulk of these things are leased today.

www.whatcar.com/car-leasing/deals/personal/land-ro.../

Edited by SLO76 on 02/10/2018 at 23:17

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Manatee

None I've heard.

If you must have one, how about a 10 year old for £10,000-£12,000, and hope to spend no more than £2,000 a year on repairs until the urge has gone away? That way you might still have some of the £40,000 left.

I understand the draw. I nearly bought one many years ago. If you think it's worth it, do it with your eyes open.

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Metropolis.

Sadly you won’t find many on this forum that have actually owned a Land Rover of any kind, there are a couple of exceptions but their names escape me. Most on here will no doubt recommend you revert to a japanese hatchback or some other asian brand. I’m not about to claim Land Rover are perfect, they are not. But they do little worse (sometimes better!) than the German brands when it comes to luxury 4x4 reliability.

If you buy one, make sure it’s either the 4.4l diesel v8, or the 5.0l petrol v8. There will be plenty of 3.0 diesels around, the salesman will try and push you towards one, and they are lovely to drive, but that 3.0 is a Peugeot engine (erroneously described as a Jaguar engine by many reviewers including Clarkson!) is a ticking time bomb and must be avoided. Don’t be put off by the size of the 4.4l, it’s just as economical as the 3.0l.

Assuming you are going for a model from 2013 onwards, just be wary this is the first batch of a new model era, the previous Range Rover was built from 2002 to 2012. The later (post 2008ish) models have held their value well thanks to a switchover from BMW 7 series electronics (they also share the chassis with the E65 7 series) to Ford electronics which are much more robust. Have a look at used values for the 2011/12 range rovers and you’ll see what i mean.

Don’t get me wrong, Land Rover do have a habit of bringing cars to production before they’re entirely ready, then they’ll make hundreds of incremental improvements/redesigns to key components throughout the life of the vehicle. But even though the ones you’ll be looking at will be earlier cars, if they had teething issues this will have been taken care of during the previous owners’ warranty.

Buy one, see how you fare during the warranty period, then you can decide if it’s a Friday car or not. I know plenty of people who buy them, (even the 3.0!) and put 180,000 trouble free miles on them (i know not galactic mileage but high for the UK market. Others have been stung by untraceable (read incompetent dealers) faults and dealers who couldn’t care less.

It’s an inevitability that someone is going to say that oft repeated phrase by people who have never owned one, that you ‘take a land rover if you want to go to the desert, take a toyota if you want to come back again..’ - I saw a great retort to this on an Australian Land Rover: ‘Yeah, but at least the people building my car didn’t bomb Darwin!’

Buy one, nothing else comes close. Have the diffs, transfer box, and gearbox oils changed by the dealer and set a dashcam in the car to make sure they actually do it, or better take it to a reputable specialist but don’t tell the main dealer. Also don’t buy one with a tow bar fitted, these tend to be bought by equestrian types towing horse boxes, no reason why you should have to buy one that’s been subject to heavy use. Good luck!

(Edit - some great advice here but I've put in some paragraphs to give it more of a chance.)

Edited by Avant on 03/10/2018 at 00:21

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Avant

Personally, with as much as £40k to spend, I'd buy new for peace of mind and a full manufacturer's warranty. So maybe try some other possibilities in that price range - but if none of them satsfy you as much as a Range Rover, then follow the advice of the people above, and good luck.

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - SLO76
“Sadly you won’t find many on this forum that have actually owned a Land Rover of any kind, there are a couple of exceptions but their names escape me. Most on here will no doubt recommend you revert to a japanese hatchback or some other asian brand.“


True, but some of us have sold them and know only too well how much grief they can cause. Admittedly my experience of high end RR models is from many years ago but from looking at the poor results they get in owner satisfaction and warranty claim surveys I see little has changed. I still want one don’t get me wrong but not while money is any sort of issue and a bar from buying new. I won’t recommend another premium off-roader either as the Germans aren’t much better and the Japs are a bit utilitarian. Buy one by all means but don’t expect it pain free.
Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - oldroverboy.
True, but some of us have sold them and know only too well how much grief they can cause. Admittedly my experience of high end RR models is from many years ago but from looking at the poor results they get in owner satisfaction and warranty claim surveys I see little has changed. I still want one don’t get me wrong but not while money is any sort of issue and a bar from buying new. I won’t recommend another premium off-roader either as the Germans aren’t much better and the Japs are a bit utilitarian. Buy one by all means but don’t expect it pain free.

I too worked in a RR dealer (we were jaguar too) and it cured me of any desire to own one outsude the warranty period, I can afford one now, even a new xf but the massive depreciation and JLR's attitude to customer service mean that it ain't gonna happen.

As others have said, if it is an itch that bad, then scratch it and lease a new one.

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - nellyjak

I've been an LR "fan" all my life...would love to have one (V8 Disco or RR)...and have nearly bought one on a few occasions.....

...BUT...I can never bring myself to actually take that leap of faith necessary given the legendary hassles, unreliability and poor build quality we all hear about time and time again.

I want to be able to finish any journey I start without concern...but with an LR product I would feel more vulnerable and so I stick to my usual Toyota products and have enjoyed superb reliability.

I'd take my current Toyota anywhere, any distance, with great confidence...I wish I could feel the same about LR.

Like many..IF money was not a consideration I might just take that leap...but I'm afraid otherwise it's an itch I'm never gonna scratch.

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Falkirk Bairn

Relations of a D-i-L have 3 x RR (+newish Bentley)

The RRs are leased over 3 years - 2 x diesel & 1 x petrol. A month nearly never passes without one of them being at the dealer - sometimes for a time awaiting parts..

There has been an occasion when all 3 were at the dealer at the same time.

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - badbusdriver

I feel kind of sorry for the OP now, i think we have well and truly burst his bubble!. But i guess one of the purposes of the forum is for just this type of thing.

Of course he may well choose to go ahead with the RR anyway, in which case i'll keep my fingers crossed!

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - SLO76

I feel kind of sorry for the OP now, i think we have well and truly burst his bubble!. But i guess one of the purposes of the forum is for just this type of thing.

Of course he may well choose to go ahead with the RR anyway, in which case i'll keep my fingers crossed!

I know plenty of people including my old gaffer when I was in the trade who wouldn’t be without one despite the occasional woe. They are fantastic things to sit in and to drive but expect the reliability of a ten year old motor in return.
Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - madf

One of my near neighbours is an old car fanatic (and owns a 1950s Daimler saloon - a huge beast). He was also employed as a mechanic in a building firm whose directors bought a fleet of Range Rovers - approx 12 in number. He told me things got so bad, the directors threatened to return the whole fleet to the local dealer until they fixed the entire fleet. which were suffering from a mix of electronic and suspension problems.

Apparently that did the trick as the makers became involved and supplied the spare parts which had been on back order for months. This occurred 2010-12..

(I note my local ECP had air suspension struts for RR in stock...which says it all about reliability.)

A car to own when someone else pays for repairs.Or when money is not an issue..

Even if I could afford one, they are too wide for local single track roads.

Edited by madf on 03/10/2018 at 12:21

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - jc2

Spend your money on a proper RR!

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - badbusdriver

Spend your money on a proper RR!

Sounds like a plan!. Sadly, for the OP's budget, you'd still be some way short of what you'd need for a Phantom, the youngest 'proper RR' you could get into would be a Silver Seraph from around 2001. And to be honest, most, including myself, would go for the Bentley Arage T, which uses the same body. It will be a few years younger (2007ish) and would have the big old Bentley 6.8l V8 packing as much as 500bhp. For the OP's £40k budget, you could get into this bad boy:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20180819963...1

By comparison, the Silver Seraph would have the 5.4l BMW V12 with 'paltry' 322bhp. Something like this:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20180501609...1

Edited by badbusdriver on 03/10/2018 at 14:29

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - John F

Hello all I think I'm in love.....

...says it all.

As with any infatuation whether human or automotive, if not bankruptcy, be prepared for great expenditure. Car buying is often a mixture of head versus heart - and if heart wins, after some time with your acquisition your head might say 'what on earth did I ever see in it'. But the early memories will hopefully give you lifelong pleasure - so buy your RRV, enjoy it, and feel that you are a good citizen by eventually giving lots of work to needy garage folk ;-)

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Richard wall
thank you so much
Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Andrew-T

I suppose if I was inside one I might get to like it, but as long as I remain outside I shall continue to dislike them as hoggers of road space. I don't know how the more affluent parts of the country which still have narrow lanes get by, to be honest. And as for the other parts, where these things get used for the school run, say no more.

This mild rant won't help your dilemma of course, but it may confirm how some have-nots view these things.

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Ethan Edwards

That's quite mean spirited of you. But not atypical in this country. .Someone does well buys the better things in life and the have nots (As you term it) take a negative position. Some even keying the car...that'll show them toffs". Some people and I've mostly seen this abroad. Take the position..Good for them. One day I will get there myself.

May I suggest its better to take the latter approach for many reasons.

Personally the RR is not on my wish list but I wish the guy well. I'm happy in my Suzuki.

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 03/10/2018 at 14:46

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - skidpan

I shall continue to dislike them as hoggers of road space.

Round these parts there are a fair number of American pickups such as the Dodge Ram and Ford F150. In a typical carpark due to the width and length they take 4 spaces.

A range Rover is positively compact in comparrison.

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - badbusdriver

That's quite mean spirited of you. But not atypical in this country. .Someone does well buys the better things in life and the have nots (As you term it) take a negative position. Some even keying the car...that'll show them toffs". Some people and I've mostly seen this abroad. Take the position..Good for them. One day I will get there myself.

May I suggest its better to take the latter approach for many reasons.

Personally the RR is not on my wish list but I wish the guy well. I'm happy in my Suzuki.

I think Andrew was having a go at the choosing of an unneccessarily huge SUV rather than taking a swipe at someone who has done well for themselves. This is a source of frustration to me too as our roads are not getting any bigger, yet there are far more people on them than ever before, and a large proportion of those seem hellbent on having as large a car as they can.

Range Rover Vogue - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Avant

A further source of frustration - it's happened to me twice recently - is a Range Rover broken down on the inside lane of an un-smart motorway, and a resulting traffic queue.

This wouldn't have been a problem (except for the RR driver) if there had been a hard shoulder - and wouldn't have been a problem for anyone if JLR put these contraptions together properly in the first place.

I suspect the issue is too many fancy electronics whose components haven't been tested properly, but I've no evidence for this except the common knowledge that these products are unreliable. .

Edited by Avant on 03/10/2018 at 17:17

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Andrew-T

<< I think Andrew was having a go at the choosing of an unnecessarily huge SUV rather than taking a swipe at someone who has done well for themselves. This is a source of frustration to me too as our roads are not getting any bigger, yet there are far more people on them than ever before, and a large proportion of those seem hellbent on having as large a car as they can. >>

Exactly so, BBD. Although I never owned a (1960s) Mini, I have always had small cars - 1100, Tri.1300, Maxi, Pug 205, 306, 207, Punto - for their advantages of frugality and ease of parking, among other things; except while the kids were at uni, when I had a Cavalier estate or a Prairie. Most SUVs are not as Tardis-like as one might expect, due to bulky crash protection and various gadgets which eat into interior space. I guess the makers presented SUVs to the eager public, before the public had demanded them, so they may (let us hope) be a passing phase.

Rather than spending £40K on a new SUV, I have just spent about £2K on having my 28-year-old 205 repainted into pristine condition. I shall have to be more careful edging past those SUVs in narrow Welsh lanes.

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - TheGentlemanThug

With your sensible shoes on you'd buy something like a Skoda Kodiaq and save about £10,000 from the initial purchase.

Then again, back in 2008 I could have bought a Focus instead of a C30, but I didn't. The C30 was different, unique and I still remember the comment I got whilst sat in a motorway service station:

"I f***ing love your car, mate".

If you love it and can stomach its faults then go for it.

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Avant

"If you love it and can stomach its faults then go for it."

Absolutely fair comment. But if you're spending upwards of £40k on a new or nearly-new car, you have a right to expect that the 'faults' don't include unreliability.

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - Richard wall
Hello all I think I’m in love with a approved used RR vouge or Westminster. So includes a 2 year Landrover warranty. I’ve read HJ good and Bad and peoples reviews about things that go wrong. I was just wondering if anyone has had positive experiences of buying one of these second hand. I’ve got about £40k to spend.. I know service maybe expensive but was just wondering if it’s a pipe dream for a lay persons to own one. Thanks all
Thanks all for this what a emotive subject .. so maybe Disco not the new one ?

Range Rover Vouge - Am I letting myself in for bankruptcy - badbusdriver

The problem is not limited to the Range Rover, it affects all of them. The Disco shares a lot of mechanical components with it's big brother. Maybe not as much too go wrong, but not really any more reliable.

If you want a reliable luxurious SUV get a Lexus, or if you want something a bit more butch, a Landcruiser.