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Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - Edward Potter

Hey guys,

I was hoping you could help me out with my search for a new car.

Due the impending arrival of my second child and the ending of the private lease on my Skoda Superb (which I love), I have to delve into the second-hand market and find a new motor.

When me little girl is born, I will have a baby and a toddler (and a girlfriend) so I need something that's 5 doors and has enough space in the boot for a pram.

I also commute approximately 26 miles to and from work 5 days a week so ideally I would like something that's economical.

I have a budget of around £2000 - £3000.

I wondered if you guys could help me out and tell me which second-hand cars you have found to be the most reliable?

Thanks, Ed

Edited by Edward Potter on 17/09/2018 at 22:45

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - badbusdriver

With all of these, petrol engine and manual gearbox,

Honda Civic, Toyota Auris, Mazda 3, Ford Focus, Hyundai i30, Kia Cee'd.

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - Edward Potter

Hi badbusdriver,

Thanks for the quick reply.

Some great suggestions. Have you any first-hand experience with any of these cars?

I would have never thought of a Kia Cee'd - PS not sure if i'm cool enough for a Honda Civic :)

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - Engineer Andy

Hi badbusdriver,

Thanks for the quick reply.

Some great suggestions. Have you any first-hand experience with any of these cars?

I would have never thought of a Kia Cee'd - PS not sure if i'm cool enough for a Honda Civic :)

I do - I've owned a Mazda3 1.6 petrol (a saloon version) since new in early 2006. Mine has luckily not got much in the way of rust, though the brakes have been an issue (binding), but only when I've been using the car less, and mainly in colder/damper months. Still drives very well for its age (admitedly mine has only done 65k miles [almost exclusively longer journeys on fast flowing roads]) and (touch wood) hasn't broken down yet.

Mine's worth about £1500 - £2000; you could probably pick up a 2007-8 run out mk1 model for your budget or maybe a higher mileage (no problem, especially if its a diesel and has been driven for well over 10k pa) early mk2 example.

Mazda diesels (the 1.6/1.5 is a shared unit with PSA/Ford/Volvo) aren't renowned for their reliability if they are used for short trips from cold regularly, and its difficult to know whether this is the case as regards previous owners unless every MOT showed an increase of at least 15k miles every year.

Normally speaking, a 52 mile round trip commute would indicate that you would benefit from running a diesel car, however, the reliability issues and knock on costs of running an older one can often more than outweigh that of a petrol-engined car. As you'll read, its a matter of risk and the consequences to you if a major componet fails and requires a significant outlay to fix it, possibly more than you can afford.

Buying a petrol-engined car means, even though the fuel cost is higher, that reliability for longer is far more likely and may save you money overall, especially if you can see a full service history: this can be checked (with the current owner's permission) from a main dealer IF it was serviced at one (like mine has); some history in that regard may be missing from the manufacturer's electronic records if it was maintained independently - see what the current owner has in terms of receipts/invoices - a good one will keep those.

Whatever you narrow your list down to, have a look over any possibles via the .gov vehicle info and MOT test history websites to check for a history of issues (especially if they 'linger' as advisories that then become failures on the MOT), to check if the car's details are correct and to see if a diesel (should you go for one) has done low mileage at any point in its past, particularly recently.

Also, if your not car-minded, take along someone who knows their way around the mechanicals and electrics (not just a mate who 'likes cars') and who could spot problems like a mechanic. The breakdown organisations can provide this service at a cost, but can be well worth it if you don't know anyone who can do this as a favour.

Check out HJ's reviews section for each make and model (previous generation models are listed below [follow the link] the current models) for general reviews, road tests and owner reviews. Note that older cars tend to have a review star rating one below they were when new, often due to the comparison to the latest model - it doesn't make them bad cars, just not as good as the latest models, which is to be expected.

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - Edward Potter

Great stuff Andy. I feel like I should be paying for this insightful advice :)

I'll definately be sure to do my research and perform the necessary checks.

Thanks for the heads up on the Masda3 too.

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - SLO76
The Honda Civic 1.8 is a great cheap used family car. Chain driven engine (no expensive timing belt change due) with a great reputation for longevity plus strong performance yet good economy plus loads of room make it a hard one to beat at this sort of money. The diesel is quicker but is vastly more complex and thus likely to go expensively wrong plus it’s barely 6-7mpg better on fuel. Watch for slipping and/or juddering clutches.

A Toyota Auris or Corolla (again petrol) would be bland but robust. Plenty around with longterm older owners when be really looked after them. Cheaper than the Civic but although a bit dull to look at and drive they’re both a great budget buy.

The Volvo S40/V50 in 1.6 petrol form is reliable and practical plus it has a bit of class and drives very well on its Ford Focus underpinnings. Avoid the diesels, particularly the 1.6.

The Ford Focus Mk II with the excellent Yamaha designed 1.6 petrol is a great car but watch for rot setting in. Don’t touch the diesels!

Mazda 3 1.6 petrol again shares much with the Focus but uses Mazda’s own bulletproof chain driven engine that will run and run if looked after. Rust is the issue here along with sticky rear brake calippers.

Mk V Vauxhall Astra 1.6 petrol is again bland but reliable plus you’ll get a newer lower mileage car for your money. Leave the Fiat 1.3/1.9 diesels and 1.8 VVT petrol alone but a well looked after 1.7 Isuzu diesel can be a good economical family car on a budget.

All of the above have isofix seats in the back also for new bambino, something I wouldn’t transport a baby or toddler without. The Kia Cee’d is ok but a bit cheap inside and rot can take hold in the front crossmember and subframes surprisingly early so get under any proactive purchase for a good look.

Edited by SLO76 on 18/09/2018 at 00:12

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - badbusdriver

Ed, no direct experience of the Kia Cee'd, but my Mother in law has a 2006 Kia Rio 1.4 petrol which she has owned from new. Nothing has ever gone wrong with it and it has only ever required routine servicing. No reason to expect a slightly larger version to be any less reliable. The Hyundai i30 is essentially the same car, so the same applies.

Having said that, the list I gave was in pretty much my order of preference, with the Civic being favourite. Not everyone likes the looks, but they are extremely reliable, have a very roomy cabin and a very large boot. The Auris may be a bit bland looking by comparison, but unfailingly reliable transport for not much money. If you need something a bit bigger, then check out the Aventis, which can also be had as an estate. Thinking of that, of the cars I mentioned first, the Focus, Cee'd, and i30 can all be had as an estate too. The Volvo S40/V50 SLO mentioned is a good call which I forgot about, under the skin, they are the same as the Focus.

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - Edward Potter

Thanks badbusdriver, it's great to hear from someone (who knows someone) who's owned a car from new. I'll have to get some prices for the Cee'd and i30 and compare them to a Honda Civic.

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - Edward Potter

Great advice thanks SLO76. I am really starting to warm towards the idea of a Honda Civic.

I also like the suggestion of a Volvo S40/V50.

Also, I have previously owned an early 2000s Astra and apart from a (little) blowout on the M62 it served me well.

Thanks mate

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - Sulphur Man

Seconded, (thirded) for Honda's with 1.8 iVTEC engine. We purchased a 3-yr old FR-V 1.8 auto from Honda in May 2011 - hasn't put a foot wrong since then. The best family car I've experienced (and I've run a W124 E280 estate). The FR-V is better...

If you can find a post-2007 FR-V with the 1.8 engine in good condition, with strong evidence of regular servicing and a seller who 'rings true', then jump on it. You're getting a cracking family car and a spacious van, with three seats still up in the front.

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - SLO76
“We purchased a 3-yr old FR-V 1.8 auto from Honda in May 2011 - hasn't put a foot wrong since then. The best family car I've experienced (and I've run a W124 E280 estate). The FR-V is better...”

Agree. These were and still are brilliant family cars. I’d leave the diesels now as they’re notwhere near as tough as the petrol models and look for serious rot underneath as they’re getting old now.
Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - Edward Potter

Thanks Sulphur Man. Honda Civic seems to be a real favourite in this thread :)

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - iago36

I have had Honda's FRV for the last 15 years and for a family car, you can't beat then either diesel or petrol The space is incredible and the front centre seat is fabulous. I would not hesitate in looking for a used FRV in your price range. Fabulous choice. john

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - Sprice

I have a 09 plate Civic 1.8 (AKA 8th gen Civic). I like it, goes well when you want, is pretty good on fuel, brim-brim economy is low to mid 40's (I've had a calculated 52 once) and I think they are the best looking car in this segment from this era by far.

Suggest you check out civinfo.com forum as it's a treasure trove of info. I came from a 9th gen diesel Civic and I prefer the 8G as it has a more interesting dashboard and looks in general. A lot find the ride harsh, but I find it just fine. Common issues include squeaky clutch (master cylinder), rust along the edge where the windscreen seal meets roof due to a poorly-designed seal (lift seal slightly to check, but when it's there it's obvious without lifting) - this has been repaired under warranty on cars several years old, bonnet stone chips due to the soft paint and bonnet's sloped design - milano red and night hawk black seem particularly prone to chips. Also peel the rubber from the top of the doors and check for rust, especially the trailing edge corner - 3 door cars were particularly affected. The dashboard can also be a bit creaky on some cars. The 2009 facelift also gave a USB and aux in the centre console storage box, mine is a pre-facelift but I fitted an X-Carlink USB, many have also fitted double-DINs. It's confusing, as some 58-plate cars are facelift, and some 09 plates (i.e. mine) are not. The facelift cars have two little black "nostrils" in the front perspex grill, also the reverse lights are wider and the honeycomb of the lower rear bumper is now smooth. It was rumoured that the facelift cars had improved (better riding) suspension, but this has never been proved by those who have owned both.

Avoid earlier than 08 plate as many improvements took place between it's launch and 08 - early cars, esp. 55 and 06 plate had numerous problems with fuel doors not opening, faulty suspension bump stops, water retention in doors etc, hopefully all should have been sorted but buy as late as you can.

Edited by Sprice on 19/09/2018 at 16:56

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - Edward Potter

Cheers for the advice Sprice. Love the tip about lifting the seal back slightly. I'll keep my eyes peeled for the 08/09 facelift versions.

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - TheGentlemanThug

My Dad owned a Mazda 3 with the 1.6 petrol engine for a decade and it never put a foot wrong. There was rust in one of the front wheel arches when he finally got rid of it, but I understand that this is a common issue. I had a Focus 1.6 petrol for three years and mechanically it was faultless, although performance was only adequate. You may find it downright slow when it's loaded up with people and luggage.

I currently own a Civic 1.8 and am very happy with it. I had to have some suspension work done to get it through its last MOT, but it is seven years old.

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - Edward Potter

Cheers Bicycle_Repair_Man. My old 1.8 Astra suffered the same problem of feeling sluggish when fully loaded.

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - Engineer Andy

The 1.8 Civic will definitely have the edge over the 1.6 (petrol) Mazda3 in terms of BOTH performance and mpg, and longevity, but the Mazda wins hands-down in terms of the handling. Comfort seems to be very much down to personal preference - the Mazda is a reasonably firm ride, but not that bad on 16in and below tyres (ok on 17in, firm on 18in), whereas the Honda seems to be rather 'Marmite' on that score - some people think its fine, others hate the ride.

(After the test drive) If you want a reliable A to B car that will last a really long time, then the Honda 1.8 petrol is the better bet; the Mazda3 1.6 (mk2) is by far the better driver's car, is cheaper to buy and will still be reliable, just not quite as much as the Honda. Honda dealerships and the manufacturer generally, it appears, give better customer service, as from my experience, Mazda dealers can be rather hit and miss - some good, some not so much: their quality seems to be very much dependent upon that of the local franchisee, wheras Honda UK seem to make sure, for the most part, that lower quality dealers don't stay for long. Just my personal opinion gleened from the Mazda3 Owners' Forum (not here).

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - iago36

Hi Ed., I have been in the same situation as you and after quite considerable investigation into Reliable Cars, I came to the conclusion that of all car manufacturers, the top ten most reliable cars are Japanese cars. The eleventh being Skoda. The top three are always either Honda, Mazda or Toyota with the Honda Jazz being top for the last ten years. I eventually settled on a Honda Jazz purely for reliability and space. The last thing you want with 2 small kids is to break down on a motorway or busy dual carriageway and also being unable to start whilst in a hurry If you are not looking for speed this will have to be your choice with economy in mind also Just pop around to a Honda dealer and try one out. Hope it helps. cheers.

Most Reliable Car? | £2k - £3K | 2 Kids + Commute - Sulphur Man

Honda FR-V 1.8iVTEC. We've had ours since 2011 - faultless.

Definitely stretch the budget for that engine though, not the earlier 1.7 or 2.0. You should be able to get a tidy one for £3K