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Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - BMW Enthusiast

With more people now using dash cams for peace of mind in case of an accident there are a certain element of idiots abusing this useful technology by going out and looking to cause trouble on the roads and then uploading the footage to social media for their own personal gratification. In particular they seem to enjoy targeting drivers of German saloon cars and other luxury cars and in general are causing more driver aggression on the roads than ever. What are your thoughts on this issue? Personally I think that dash cams should be banned like they are in many other countries.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Andrew-T

Most new devices or inventions can be abused in some way by some people. Ultimately it has to be agreed whether the benefits outweigh the disadvantages or abuse.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - FP

If the driver of a car is provoking other drivers, surely there is evidence of provocative driving on the recording, which even careful editing can't remove. Or am I missing something?

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - gordonbennet

They'll end up hoisted by their own petard without fail if they really do this.

The new generation of cameras being fitted to lorries and other company vehicles have 5 lenses and a multi screen display in the cab coupled to serious hard drives, front rear both sides usually facing backwards down the sides of the vehicle and one driver facing lens which may or may not be operational because some drivers have accepted the fifth camera whilst others have rejected, personally i'm one of the latter.

Those multi cameras can of course be fitted to any vehicle and i suspect owners of £50+k German top line cars may well think the investment worth the cost seeing as so many fools are out there on the roads and pavements, for those socal media jokers it could be compared with taking a knife to a gunfight.

Generally i think dash cams are a good thing, they weren't needed at one time because people used to be honourable and have a sense of fair play, those now sadly are rare qualities so evidence to protect oneself is the order of the day.

Edited by gordonbennet on 13/08/2018 at 16:55

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - alan1302

they weren't needed at one time because people used to be honourable and have a sense of fair play, those now sadly are rare qualities so evidence to protect oneself is the order of the day.

Sounds you you could do with some rose tinted dash cames ;-)

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - BMW Enthusiast

If the driver of a car is provoking other drivers, surely there is evidence of provocative driving on the recording, which even careful editing can't remove. Or am I missing something?

Not necessarily. One example would be the car in front with the dash cam driving at 40mph in a 60mph zone holding up traffic therefore vehicles behind have to overtake sometimes then immediately afterwards have to hit the brakes making making them out to be the idiot when it was actually the slow driver who forced them to make the manoeuvre in the first place. Just one of many examples.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Hugh Watt

have to overtake sometimes then immediately afterwards have to hit the brakes

Is that so Steve? I really must try one of these German cars.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - BMW Enthusiast

have to overtake sometimes then immediately afterwards have to hit the brakes

Is that so Steve? I really must try one of these German cars.

(Insult deleted.)

Edited by Avant on 14/08/2018 at 01:12

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - peter murtagh

Edited by peter murtagh on 13/08/2018 at 17:28

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Miniman777

I prescibe to them being a useful piece of kit. Last Saturday, driving out of a location with a Wickes and Halfords, a guy on a bike rode stratight off the pavement into my path.He didnt look, had headphones on, my speed 15mph as approaching a roundabout. Did an emergency stop, he stumbled, remained upright, and I was inches from hitting him.

Although he apologied for his mistake saying he'd not seen me. It was all on dashcam had the worst happened, and I changed SD cards 5 mins later in the unlikely event of post-incident action.

Provided you drive properly, comptently and within the law, I dont see a problem. Yes idiots will goad others for entertainment, only fools would react. Dashcams are a good idea IMO.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Sofa Spud

Before long all new cars will probably come with at least one camera as standard.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Bolt

Before long all new cars will probably come with at least one camera as standard.

Some are already fitted as safety cameras and with Ai can be used as dashcams which I think will be next on new cars, some have reversing cameras so they could be used as rear cams as well, all you need then is a hard drive recorder -simples-....

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Big John

Before long all new cars will probably come with at least one camera as standard.

Some are already fitted as safety cameras and with Ai can be used as dashcams which I think will be next on new cars, some have reversing cameras so they could be used as rear cams as well, all you need then is a hard drive recorder -simples-....

I doubt it when having a dash cam is illegal in some European countries

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Bolt

Before long all new cars will probably come with at least one camera as standard.

Some are already fitted as safety cameras and with Ai can be used as dashcams which I think will be next on new cars, some have reversing cameras so they could be used as rear cams as well, all you need then is a hard drive recorder -simples-....

I doubt it when having a dash cam is illegal in some European countries

They need to alter their laws then, I can understand people not wanting their picture taken in private places, but in public they should have no choice, to put it another way the laws should apply the same in all countries if they are in EU

Doesnt apply to UK anyway

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - BMW Enthusiast

Before long all new cars will probably come with at least one camera as standard.

Some are already fitted as safety cameras and with Ai can be used as dashcams which I think will be next on new cars, some have reversing cameras so they could be used as rear cams as well, all you need then is a hard drive recorder -simples-....

I doubt it when having a dash cam is illegal in some European countries

They need to alter their laws then, I can understand people not wanting their picture taken in private places, but in public they should have no choice, to put it another way the laws should apply the same in all countries if they are in EU

Doesnt apply to UK anyway

Nobody should have any right to post footage online of a vehicle with its registration number visible wether the vehicle was involved in any wrong doing or not.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Bolt

Before long all new cars will probably come with at least one camera as standard.

Some are already fitted as safety cameras and with Ai can be used as dashcams which I think will be next on new cars, some have reversing cameras so they could be used as rear cams as well, all you need then is a hard drive recorder -simples-....

I doubt it when having a dash cam is illegal in some European countries

They need to alter their laws then, I can understand people not wanting their picture taken in private places, but in public they should have no choice, to put it another way the laws should apply the same in all countries if they are in EU

Doesnt apply to UK anyway

Nobody should have any right to post footage online of a vehicle with its registration number visible wether the vehicle was involved in any wrong doing or not.

Usually those that do wrong a lot say that, in effect naming and shaming, which may do some drivers good as it will wake them up to reality

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - TheGentlemanThug
Provided you drive properly, comptently and within the law, I dont see a problem. Yes idiots will goad others for entertainment, only fools would react. Dashcams are a good idea IMO.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Leif
They are a very good thing. I could have had a head on collision with an emergency vehicle overtaking on double white lines on a dull misty early morning. It’s on camera. I was nearly the victim of a presumed crash for cash scam, the camera proves that they pulled out in front of me, then braked. I’m a cautious driver, and I don’t want to be blamed for an accident that was someone else’s fault. Hence the dash cam in my car. I’ve never seen someone abusing a dash cam and I bet it is rare. I’ve seen plenty of dash cam videos where a dangerous driver causes a fatality, and the video proves it.
Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - drd63
Despite increased incidence cash for crash is rare as are situations where dash cams prove fault in an accident which is otherwise being contested. I don’t like the concept and I suspect will lead to even less tolerance on our roads. I do overtake and regularly get idiots closing the gap, sadly the mind set of most people who seem to be advocates of dash cams is that assertive driving isn’t something they like and I can see them deluging the police with evidence of being cut up (even if engineered by them). Also likely to make the police even more lazy than they currently are etc, etc. Can’t we just live and let live a bit I don’t really mind the idea of dash cam evidence when an accident has occurred. It’s the unprompted submission of perceived ‘wrongdoing’ which worries me.
Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - bathtub tom

I'd just parked up in a motorway service area. I could see the LWB van wasn't going to make it round my car and had my hand on the horn - crunch.

What was that about he asked?

You hit me I replied.

Didn't touch you he said.

I guess you didn't notice the dashcam, problem sorted.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Andrew-T
.... assertive driving .....

I wonder what that is, exactly. How does it work on a congested road when several drivers are asserting vigorously?

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Leif
I also wonder what ‘assertive driving’ means. For a cyclist it is a positive trait, whereby they assert their right to use the road, rather than cycling so close to the kerb that they hit drains, and position themselves at junctions etc for safety. Not so sure about cars though.
Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Andrew-T
I also wonder what ‘assertive driving’ means. For a cyclist it is a positive trait, whereby they assert their right to use the road, rather than cycling so close to the kerb that they hit drains,.

Don't let's get into the habits of cyclists here - they may have more 'right' to use the road than powered vehicles, but only foolish ones would risk a lot of wrath by occupying the centre line unnecessarily in the way motorbikes will, allegedly in the interests of safety.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Manatee
I also wonder what ‘assertive driving’ means. For a cyclist it is a positive trait, whereby they assert their right to use the road, rather than cycling so close to the kerb that they hit drains, and position themselves at junctions etc for safety. Not so sure about cars though.

Much the same I think. It is part of defensive driving to me.

Don't be submissive or hesitant; but it isn't about being pushy. Be decisive, positive, know what you are doing. If a light goes to amber, and you have room to stop comfortably, do it - don't fanny about hoping to squeeze through and then slam the brakes on when red appears. On the other hand, if it turns amber when you are almost on top of it, be ready - that's what lights do - carry on; being over cautious and braking hard will catch out the driver behind who probably accelerated when he saw the lights changing. If you brake hard on amber, or these days even a red, you are likely to be rammed up the chuff, so don't put yourself in that position.

Similarly with roundabouts. Look twice, and go when it's clear. Setting off and then taking the second look will catch out a following driver if you have to change your mind.

Pick your lane and stay in it. Signal in good time, but not confusingly early. Cancel signals when they are a hindrance to others - e.g. if you have signalled to turn right at a roundabout, when you pass the exit before yours then indicate left.

Don't signal 'aspirationally' to move out or change lane except in heavy slow moving traffic when you need someone to make a space - otherwise, wait for a gap, then signal, three flashes and go. I detest people who put the indicator on and then look in the mirror.

Occupy the lane you are in, it's yours, and keep out of everybody else's. When turning, think about where you want to put the car and how - don't swing out or slow to a crawl unnecessarily. At busy, complicated junctions work out exacly where you are aiming and double check the signals while waiting so you don't react to the wrong green light or miss a filter.

Drive to the speed limits if it is safe to do so. If you want to dawdle, make it your business to assist those who want to knock on - even the ones who are speeding, you are better off with them in front of you, let them past on your terms so they don't subsequently overtake dangerously - let them win. Cooperate actively - on multi-lane roads, change lanes slightly early if it avoids a looming last second conflict either with a vehicle approaching from behind or one ahead.

Create and preserve space. Live by the 2 second rule regardless of the twit behind. If you have a tailgater, until you can get rid of them just increase the space in front of you. Don't dawdle alongside other vehicles, especially large ones. If you overtake, get it done.

Stay behind lorries, especially artics, if you are in the adjacent lane at roundabouts or junctions - you will inevitably fall into a blind spot at some point, so stay where they can't hurt you or get where they can see you. They will appreciate it and you will stay safe.

Manage your speed by looking well ahead and having that space- some people just can't do this, their brake lights flash every few seconds. I am disappointed if I use the brakes on a motorway. Be the one who's in control.

That's my answer, off the top of my head. Somebody tell me if I've missed the point.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - drd63
Spot on and very well explained.
Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Leif
I also wonder what ‘assertive driving’ means. For a cyclist it is a positive trait, whereby they assert their right to use the road, rather than cycling so close to the kerb that they hit drains, and position themselves at junctions etc for safety. Not so sure about cars though.

Much the same I think. It is part of defensive driving to me.

What I really meant was what did the other poster mean by 'assertive driving' which is a rather ambiguous term and not one I've heard used by driving organisations. He could have meant defensive driving, or the sort of driving I sometimes experience from 'professional drivers' in their Deutsche Uber Barges, who bully anyone who is perceived to slow their progress, and sweep across traffic straight from lane 3 and onto a motorway exit road. Their driving is assertive, but unsafe.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - BMW Enthusiast
Despite increased incidence cash for crash is rare as are situations where dash cams prove fault in an accident which is otherwise being contested. I don’t like the concept and I suspect will lead to even less tolerance on our roads. I do overtake and regularly get idiots closing the gap, sadly the mind set of most people who seem to be advocates of dash cams is that assertive driving isn’t something they like and I can see them deluging the police with evidence of being cut up (even if engineered by them). Also likely to make the police even more lazy than they currently are etc, etc. Can’t we just live and let live a bit I don’t really mind the idea of dash cam evidence when an accident has occurred. It’s the unprompted submission of perceived ‘wrongdoing’ which worries me.

Very well said. 100% agreed.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - FP

"... the car in front with the dash cam driving at 40mph in a 60mph zone holding up traffic therefore vehicles behind have to overtake sometimes then immediately afterwards have to hit the brakes making making them out to be the idiot when it was actually the slow driver who forced them to make the manoeuvre in the first place."

They are the idiot, because: (a) no-one is "forced" to overtake; (b) overtaking with a speed difference of 20 mph means you do not "have to hit the brakes" afterwards.

Despite your apparent irritation in another thread that someone mentioned German cars, you do so yourself ("targeting drivers of German saloon cars"), suggesting you have some paranoia about it.

As for this comment: "Nobody should have any right to post footage online of a vehicle with its registration number visible wether the vehicle was involved in any wrong doing or not", it really does suggest you have a problem.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Avant

"....wether the vehicle was involved in any wrong doing or not."

He does indeed have a problem. A wether is a castrated sheep, and if one of those runs out into the road a dashcam may not be much help....although you could argue that some of the damage has already been done. :)

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - davecooper
Because of the wildly differing laws across Europe with respect to dash cams, I would expect to see a disable option available for built in dash cams. A date and time of disable would be useful as well in case a keen traffic cop suggested you had just disabled it.

As far as dashcam usage is concerned, I just ignore it and let it get on with its daily job. Occasionally I will hit the save button if I see something peculiar happening, you never know. Nothing is uploaded to anywhere, any relevant would be handed to the police only.

Edited by davecooper on 14/08/2018 at 14:21

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Big John
Because of the wildly differing laws across Europe with respect to dash cams, I would expect to see a disable option available for built in dash cams. A date and time of disable would be useful as well in case a keen traffic cop suggested you had just disabled it. As far as dashcam usage is concerned, I just ignore it and let it get on with its daily job. Occasionally I will hit the save button if I see something peculiar happening, you never know. Nothing is uploaded to anywhere, any relevant would be handed to the police only.

In Austria you can't even own a dashcam - even if not fitted or activated - very very heavy fine!

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - BMW Enthusiast

"....wether the vehicle was involved in any wrong doing or not."

He does indeed have a problem. A wether is a castrated sheep, and if one of those runs out into the road a dashcam may not be much help....although you could argue that some of the damage has already been done. :)

Absolutely hilarious. You're wasted on here and should've been a comedian.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - FP

"You're wasted on here..."

Careful. Avant is a moderator here.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - BMW Enthusiast

"... the car in front with the dash cam driving at 40mph in a 60mph zone holding up traffic therefore vehicles behind have to overtake sometimes then immediately afterwards have to hit the brakes making making them out to be the idiot when it was actually the slow driver who forced them to make the manoeuvre in the first place."

They are the idiot, because: (a) no-one is "forced" to overtake; (b) overtaking with a speed difference of 20 mph means you do not "have to hit the brakes" afterwards.

Despite your apparent irritation in another thread that someone mentioned German cars, you do so yourself ("targeting drivers of German saloon cars"), suggesting you have some paranoia about it.

As for this comment: "Nobody should have any right to post footage online of a vehicle with its registration number visible wether the vehicle was involved in any wrong doing or not", it really does suggest you have a problem.

What if another vehicle pulls out of a side road after you have overtaken someone? Just crash into them?

I've been watching this dash cam footage on social media and the people who upload it do mainly target drivers of German saloon cars (and yes I do own one.) The comments on these video uploads are all derogatory towards the brand of the car more than the actual driver.

Yes I do have a problem with videos posted on social media with a vehicle and its registration number visible because it is a great help to criminal car cloners.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - FP

- "What if another vehicle pulls out of a side road after you have overtaken someone? Just crash into them?"

Can't see why a car pulling out after you have overtaken someone is any different from a car pulling out in any other circumstances.

- "Yes I do have a problem with videos posted on social media with a vehicle and its registration number visible because it is a great help to criminal car cloners."

Maybe I'm missing something again, but I can't see why a car shown on dashcam footage on the internet helps car cloners any more than standing at the side of a busy road would, or walking round any busy car park.

I'm assuming these comments are merely aimed at deflecting attention from the other, more important ones, i.e. that no-one HAS to overtake and no-one needs to brake immediately afterwards.

Edited by FP on 15/08/2018 at 11:07

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Andrew-T

<< I'm assuming these comments are merely aimed at deflecting attention from the other, more important ones, i.e. that no-one HAS to overtake and no-one needs to brake immediately afterwards. >>

Agreed with the first part. However there are some who, having overtaken, most definitely have to brake immediately to get into the limited space available before hitting oncoming traffic ?

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - FP

"...here are some who, having overtaken, most definitely have to brake immediately to get into the limited space available before hitting oncoming traffic"

Sounds like poor driving, then - there wasn't enough space to overtake in the first place.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Bolt

Sounds like poor driving, then

Seems to be a lot of it about now the school holidays are here, traffic may be a lot easier, but boy are there some idiots around, overtaking on bends in cars that were not made for acceleration to pass a car quickly

even cyclists are being overtaken too closely by drivers, I wonder if some have forgotten how to drive safely or just ignore the highway code.

even red light jumping has increased since the schools have been off.

you could make a film with a dashcam of the dangerous driving around

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Leif

"... the car in front with the dash cam driving at 40mph in a 60mph zone holding up traffic therefore vehicles behind have to overtake sometimes then immediately afterwards have to hit the brakes making making them out to be the idiot when it was actually the slow driver who forced them to make the manoeuvre in the first place."

Theyarethe idiot, because: (a) no-one is "forced" to overtake; (b) overtaking with a speed difference of 20 mph means you do not "have to hit the brakes" afterwards.

The slow driver should really drive at the speed limit if safe to do so, however "forced them to make the manoeuvre in the first place" is a worrying phrase. The other drivers was not forced, they chose to make a potentially dangerous manouevre. There are too many drivers who blame others for their own mistakes. A dangerous overtake of a mimser is inexcusable no matter how annoying the mimser.

What if another vehicle pulls out of a side road after you have overtaken someone? Just crash into them?

You need to be more aware of the road ahead and potential hazards. When you intend to overtake, if there is a side road, ahead make a judgement as to what might happen, and how you would respond. If it's unsafe, don't overtake. A few weeks ago I decided to overtake even though there was a junction ahead, as I knew I could cancel the overtake. As I started the overtake, the driver in front indicated left, and a driver waiting at the junction pulled out, so I did cancel the manouevre in complete safety. There was plenty of distance between me and the junction, and I had accounted for the possibility of the driver at the junction pulling out. When the driver who pulled out drove past me, she flashed her lights and gave what I assume to be a 'well done' gesture. Had there been cars behind me, then I would not have started the overtake, as they could have tailgated me during the overtake, or closed the gap to the car in front i.e. removed the ability to cancel.

I've been watching this dash cam footage on social media and the people who upload it do mainly target drivers of German saloon cars (and yes I do own one.) The comments on these video uploads are all derogatory towards the brand of the car more than the actual driver.

I haven't noticed any such bias.

Yes I do have a problem with videos posted on social media with a vehicle and its registration number visible because it is a great help to criminal car cloners.

So pedestrians should be blindfolded lest they see your precious number plates?

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Leif
Despite increased incidence cash for crash is rare as are situations where dash cams prove fault in an accident which is otherwise being contested. I don’t like the concept and I suspect will lead to even less tolerance on our roads. I do overtake and regularly get idiots closing the gap, sadly the mind set of most people who seem to be advocates of dash cams is that assertive driving isn’t something they like and I can see them deluging the police with evidence of being cut up (even if engineered by them). Also likely to make the police even more lazy than they currently are etc, etc. Can’t we just live and let live a bit I don’t really mind the idea of dash cam evidence when an accident has occurred. It’s the unprompted submission of perceived ‘wrongdoing’ which worries me.

Crash for cash is not so rare. In my 20 years driving, I'm pretty certain I was almost the victim of two crash for cash scams. In the first one I was waiting behind a car at traffic lights, the lights went green, he pulled out, then in the middle of the junction slammed on his brakes for no apparent reason. In the second case he pulled out from a side road, in front of me, then slammed on his brakes. When I stopped and tried to film the occupants faces, they both looked in the opposite direction for no obvious reason other than to avoid being seen by me. I keep my distance which was why I avoided a crash in both cases, many drivers would have ploughed into the back of the car in front. I've also witnessed a van do a high speed overtake of a car, then emergency brake due to an absence of brains, and the car ploughed into the back of the van, which then drove off.

Where is your evidence that "is rare as are situations where dash cams prove fault in an accident which is otherwise being contested".

As for the police being 'lazy', they are underfunded.

"It’s the unprompted submission of perceived ‘wrongdoing’ which worries me."

No idea what that means!

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - FP

'"It’s the unprompted submission of perceived ‘wrongdoing’ which worries me."

No idea what that means!'

I think it means that this poster is worried by the possibility that someone will submit (to the police, or publicly on YouTube) footage of from a dashcam which might show his driving in an unfavourable light - even perhaps to the point of demonstrating him doing something unwise, dangerous or illegal. He doesn't want to be shown to be doing such things just because someone else thinks it's wrong.

Many people would say the footage would speak for itself.

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Leif

'"It’s the unprompted submission of perceived ‘wrongdoing’ which worries me."

No idea what that means!'

I think it means that this poster is worried by the possibility that someone will submit (to the police, or publicly on YouTube) footage of from a dashcam which might show his driving in an unfavourable light - even perhaps to the point of demonstrating him doing something unwise, dangerous or illegal. He doesn't want to be shown to be doing such things just because someone else thinks it's wrong.

Many people would say the footage would speak for itself.

Ah, yes that does make sense. "It's the sending in of videos of my driving which others perceive as dangerous which worries me".

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Manatee

Personally I think that dash cams should be banned like they are in many other countries.

I see no problem. If I want to take video, why shouldn't I? Photography is not yet banned in public places.

If there's a problem it's with the publishing of video. I say "if". I'm not sure there is. I've never yet published a video of other drivers and I don't know anyone who has.

What I do know from experience is that there is a very good chance that an at-fault party in an accident will be full of apologies and accepting of responsibility at the scene, and then fill in a claim form with a completely fictitious story blaming the innocent party. It's happened to me, and to my wife.

Many years ago as I passed throiugh a cross roads, another car reversed into my driver's door (long story). He subsequently changed his story, blamed me, and conjured up a witness to say I had gone through a red light (I'd been stationary, and set off on green).

The feeling of satisfaction I got when I was able to produce the account I had written at the scene, signed by him, is how I would have felt had I been able to produce a video of it happening.

In Europe, only Portugal, Luxembourg and Austria ban dashcams for supposed reasons of privacy. This makes no sense, they could achieve that by proscribing publishing. Baltics and Balkans aside, those three countries (considering Luxembourg as Belgium) are pretty much the worst drivers in Europe as measured by the rate of road deaths - an interesting coincidence.

I hope the bans don't spread, there seems to be an obsession with 'data protection' at the moment. That's a distraction tactic if there ever was one, that horse bolted a long time ago and the people to worry about are in government.

Edited by Manatee on 14/08/2018 at 14:59

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Andrew-T

Personally I think that dash cams should be banned like they are in many other countries.

I see no problem. If I want to take video, why shouldn't I? Photography is not yet banned in public places.

It is in Russia (or it certainly has been) but loads of Russians seem to have a dashcam. Remember the shots of that huge meteorite a few years ago?

Dash Cams. Useful piece of kit or a menace? - Bolt

Personally I think that dash cams should be banned like they are in many other countries.

I see no problem. If I want to take video, why shouldn't I? Photography is not yet banned in public places.

It is in Russia (or it certainly has been) but loads of Russians seem to have a dashcam. Remember the shots of that huge meteorite a few years ago?

Yes, why do you want its name and address;)- dissapeared into a lake as I recall after blowing out windows for miles, good footage