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CVT gearboxes are wnderful driving around town and country roads.
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CVT gearboxes are wnderful driving around town and country roads.
Hear hear!. In addition to that, the modern 'stepped' CVT offers all the advantages with none of the disadvantages of the automated dual clutch gearboxes. I know for a fact that this type of CVT works really well because my Wife and i have had a current shape Jazz CVT for over a year now. As for a 'car of that size being rubbish without a diesel engine', well that comment is rubbish!. Just ask someone who has owned or driven a Skoda Superb 1.4TSI, which is a much bigger car than a Forester.
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CVT gearboxes are wnderful driving around town and country roads.
As for a 'car of that size being rubbish without a diesel engine', well that comment is rubbish!. Just ask someone who has owned or driven a Skoda Superb 1.4TSI, which is a much bigger car than a Forester.
Great if you enjoy visiting your local petrol station very often and throwing money away.
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CVT gearboxes are wnderful driving around town and country roads.
As for a 'car of that size being rubbish without a diesel engine', well that comment is rubbish!. Just ask someone who has owned or driven a Skoda Superb 1.4TSI, which is a much bigger car than a Forester.
Great if you enjoy visiting your local petrol station very often and throwing money away.
Actually, the modern VAG TSi engines are surprisingly efficient. 45+mpg out of what is quite a large car.
You seem to have ... opinions ... based on history. For example, you state that a car such as the Forester would be horrible unless it had a diesel engine. Well, that's just a load of nonsense (I'm trying to be polite here, it would be more apt to ask if you were a farmer at an auction, because you're talking a load of bullocks).
I can say it's nonsense because we've got a 2.0 petrol Forester, and it's a great car to drive.
Now, you come up with all these 'opinions' about why the Forester with the CVT gearbox is so bad.
So I'll ask this : have you driven one ?
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I can say it's nonsense because we've got a 2.0 petrol Forester, and it's a great car to drive.
Now, you come up with all these 'opinions' about why the Forester with the CVT gearbox is so bad.
So I'll ask this : have you driven one ?
Yo think that it's a great car to drive because you own one and that's your opinion fair enough. I've driven CVT gearbox Toyota vehicles and the driving experience on the open road is a joke. A 2.0 petrol large SUV with a CVT gearbox is not good for high mileage and towing. Have I ever driven a Subaru Forester? No. Vehicles from that manufacturer have cheap and nasty interiors that look like something from the 90s. So does the exterior design too. They're not exactly flying off dealership forecourts are they?
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I can say it's nonsense because we've got a 2.0 petrol Forester, and it's a great car to drive.
Now, you come up with all these 'opinions' about why the Forester with the CVT gearbox is so bad.
So I'll ask this : have you driven one ?
Yo think that it's a great car to drive because you own one and that's your opinion fair enough. I've driven CVT gearbox Toyota vehicles and the driving experience on the open road is a joke. A 2.0 petrol large SUV with a CVT gearbox is not good for high mileage and towing. Have I ever driven a Subaru Forester? No. Vehicles from that manufacturer have cheap and nasty interiors that look like something from the 90s. So does the exterior design too. They're not exactly flying off dealership forecourts are they?
Thank you for confirming that you know precisely nothing of what you're talking about.
That's all I needed to know. Now I can just completely blank out anything you post as a waste of space.
Bearing in mind your comments about interiors and exteriors, I daresay the 'jewel-like' dashboard and blingy naffness of the Range Rover Evoque, or some chavvy Audi would be a perfect match for your sense of style.
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Thank you for confirming that you know precisely nothing of what you're talking about.
That's all I needed to know. Now I can just completely blank out anything you post as a waste of space.
Bearing in mind your comments about interiors and exteriors, I daresay the 'jewel-like' dashboard and blingy naffness of the Range Rover Evoque, or some chavvy Audi would be a perfect match for your sense of style.
lol you're driving around in a crap car and you know it. You're in denial chum. You're probably trapped in negative equity on a high interest finance agreement that you can't get out of. I drive a 2017 BMW 520d G30. A proper all round car. 55mpg+, loads of power without compromising on economy, pure comfort, luxury and quality. Enjoy your underpowered thirsty drab Japanese box car which I'm sure you don't really actually like!
Edited by Auto Steve on 14/08/2018 at 00:58
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Keep it polite please, or I'll close the thread.
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Don't worry Avant, the kids will be back at school soon.
BTW a friend's sister just sold her petrol Forester. It had only done 500,000km. She bought one with 200,000 km for her regular long distance trips in Australia.
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Don't worry Avant, the kids will be back at school soon. BTW a friend's sister just sold her petrol Forester. It had only done 500,000km. She bought one with 200,000 km for her regular long distance trips in Australia.
Any car is capable of that sort of mileage if it's maintained and looked after properly.
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tThere is a thread somewhere about drivers of German cars and arrogance. For once, it would appear those comments are justified ..
" you're driving around in a crap car and you know it. You're in denial chum. You're probably trapped in negative equity on a high interest finance agreement that you can't get out of. I drive a 2017 BMW 520d G30. "
I have to bite my tongue and not write anymore about the puerile nature of such a post. (And the obvious ignorance by the posterof the background of the personto whom the remark was addressed - a most inapproproate choice for someone to adrress those remarks to. :-)
Edited by madf on 16/08/2018 at 07:46
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tThere is a thread somewhere about drivers of German cars and arrogance. For once, it would appear those comments are justified ..
" you're driving around in a crap car and you know it. You're in denial chum. You're probably trapped in negative equity on a high interest finance agreement that you can't get out of. I drive a 2017 BMW 520d G30. "
I have to bite my tongue and not write anymore about the puerile nature of such a post. (And the obvious ignorance by the posterof the background of the personto whom the remark was addressed - a most inapproproate choice for someone to adrress those remarks to. :-)
Quite agree ma*** Fortunately Davey, being an adult, has refrained from reacting to such a childish, pathetic, ill-informed and totally unnecessary jibe at his choice of car.
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Thank you for confirming that you know precisely nothing of what you're talking about.
That's all I needed to know. Now I can just completely blank out anything you post as a waste of space.
Bearing in mind your comments about interiors and exteriors, I daresay the 'jewel-like' dashboard and blingy naffness of the Range Rover Evoque, or some chavvy Audi would be a perfect match for your sense of style.
lol you're driving around in a crap car and you know it. You're in denial chum. You're probably trapped in negative equity on a high interest finance agreement that you can't get out of. I drive a 2017 BMW 520d G30. A proper all round car. 55mpg+, loads of power without compromising on economy, pure comfort, luxury and quality. Enjoy your underpowered thirsty drab Japanese box car which I'm sure you don't really actually like!
Never liked BMW, expensive for what they are, but given the huge advertising spend to maintain their Veblen goods status, the price needs to be high. The insides are decent, but nothing special given the price. And the exterior styling is ugly. Still, if you like it, that's all that matters.
A Subaru Forestor being Japanese will be well made and decent value. Less money spent on advertising, more spent on the product. Not my kind of car, but nice looking interior, and very practical.
Oh yes, and since yours is a diesel, you are killing innocent children and kittens. How do you feel about that then?
Incidentally, there is an element of tongue in cheek in my post. ;)
Anyway, there's no need to boast about your car. I drive a 2018 VW Polo. Lovely car, does exactly what I want of a car. Petrol too. 60 mpg. Used to drive a VW Up. Lovely car too. I could buy a new copy of your car for cash tomorrow if I wanted to, or several, but I don't. A lot of people here can probably say the same. Hey ho, onwards and upwards.
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Having owned a few Subarus over the years I cannot speak highly enough of them for build quality, reliability and practicality. Where they fall down a bit is in design (interiors look dated and exteriors usually anonymous) and luxuries - we don't get the higher trim levels in UK and are stuck with crap stereos with 4 or 6 speakers! That said, to spec a Q5 to £28k Forester levels you'd be north of £40k.
They're also quite expensive when compared to the mid-level competition but I think this is to do with the £ exchange rate with the Yen.
If you visit Canada or the US or Australia you'll notice legions of Subarus doing their owners proud. Why? In some parts of the world you can't risk breaking down in -40C tundra or 120C desert. VWs (including Audi etc), BMWs and Mercs are not reliable enough when your choice of car could be a matter of life or death. Also, some markets just value reliabilty and practicality over 'status'.
In the UK, we're still in awe of 'German engineering' but let me tell you - it's a myth.
And I've got to laugh when people spend £30k or £40k on a car but get the diesel just so they can save a couple of hundred £ a year on fuel - get real.
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The haulage company my Dad worked for had a Subaru pickup for just running about in and let me tell you that thing led a VERY hard life!. I remember my Dad borrowed it at the end of one summer to take the peat down from the hill (this was the Shetland Islands). Well it was way, way overloaded, the back of it was literally dragging along the ground. But the only way one of those things could be killed was rust.
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Having owned a few Subarus over the years I cannot speak highly enough of them for build quality, reliability and practicality. Where they fall down a bit is in design (interiors look dated and exteriors usually anonymous) and luxuries - we don't get the higher trim levels in UK and are stuck with crap stereos with 4 or 6 speakers! That said, to spec a Q5 to £28k Forester levels you'd be north of £40k.
That's correct.
They're also quite expensive when compared to the mid-level competition but I think this is to do with the £ exchange rate with the Yen.
That's also correct and the reason why Daihatsu left the UK market.
If you visit Canada or the US or Australia you'll notice legions of Subarus doing their owners proud. Why? In some parts of the world you can't risk breaking down in -40C tundra or 120C desert. VWs (including Audi etc), BMWs and Mercs are not reliable enough when your choice of car could be a matter of life or death. Also, some markets just value reliabilty and practicality over 'status'.
In North America and Australia the price of petrol is a fraction of what it costs here. I think you'll find that in Eastern Europe and Russia VW group diesels, BMW and Mercedes are very popular because of their reliability in the harsh freezing cold winter temperatures. Audi, BMW and Mercedes are also very popular in the United Arab Emirates and the rest of the Middle East where temperatures are extremely hot. When you use the term "status" that suggests that people only buy certain brands because of the badge on the front. Those who do so are fools.
In the UK, we're still in awe of 'German engineering' but let me tell you - it's a myth.
How exactly is it "a myth?" The UK is the biggest market for German Vehicles outside of Germany. If they're well maintained and looked after properly they are very satisfying to own especially when purchased brand new.
And I've got to laugh when people spend £30k or £40k on a car but get the diesel just so they can save a couple of hundred £ a year on fuel - get real.
There is simply very little demand for 4 cylinder petrol engine vehicles in that price range. They lack the torque you get from a diesel and feel underpowered and noisy when pushed hard. You will save more than a couple of hundred pounds a year on fuel when covering the sort of mileage that buyers want these cars for. A hell of a lot of money in fact.
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Oh yes, and since yours is a diesel, you are killing innocent children and kittens. How do you feel about that then?
You don't no very much about modern diesel cars do you?
Anyway, there's no need to boast about your car. I drive a 2018 VW Polo. Lovely car, does exactly what I want of a car. Petrol too. 60 mpg. Used to drive a VW Up. Lovely car too. I could buy a new copy of your car for cash tomorrow if I wanted to, or several, but I don't. A lot of people here can probably say the same. Hey ho, onwards and upwards.
60 mpg from a petrol VW Polo eh? Wonderfully misleading things those trip computers aren't they? lol.
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Oh yes, and since yours is a diesel, you are killing innocent children and kittens. How do you feel about that then?
You don't no very much about modern diesel cars do you?
Anyway, there's no need to boast about your car. I drive a 2018 VW Polo. Lovely car, does exactly what I want of a car. Petrol too. 60 mpg. Used to drive a VW Up. Lovely car too. I could buy a new copy of your car for cash tomorrow if I wanted to, or several, but I don't. A lot of people here can probably say the same. Hey ho, onwards and upwards.
60 mpg from a petrol VW Polo eh? Wonderfully misleading things those trip computers aren't they? lol.
You need to learn to use the quote system on this forum. Regarding diesels, did you miss dieselgate? Real world diesel emissions from many if not most cars are horrendous and so high as to be dangerous. As for my mpg, I calculate it from miles covered and fuel in. The last four fills have given about 64mpg. The on board computer gives higher values, maybe 5-10% more. I would save money from a diesel but potential maintenance costs can be high.
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Anyone championing diesels in thsi day and age when 95% of diesles on the roads will continue on the roads for at least 10 years and basically make major cities death traps due to pollution is fighting last decade's battle. Dieselgate ensured there is no credibility left. When I changed cars in 2012 ,it was obvious to anyone who did any research before buying a new car that publishedemissions figures were a load of lies.
And relying on lies means eventual total lack of credibility.(see Tony Blair)
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'German engineering' - "If only everything in life was as reliable as a Volkswagen"
Nowadays virtually everything in life is more reliable than a VW.
Once upon a time, when we drove Austin Princesses and Vauxhall 'Shove-its' and German cars had low-stress petrol or very basic diesel engines they were more reliable and better made. Nowadays highly-stressed high-pressure turbo diesels with particulate filters etc are not all that reliable for average motoring - 10,000miles a year / short journeys - and only really suitable for 20k+ motorway miles pa. German petrols also suffering from issues - see Audi TSi engines. Is this due to lack of investment in petrol engines as diesel was seen as the way forward? German cars retain an air of percieved quality in UK which is not bourne out in practise.
A Subaru flat-4 Boxer engine will see you to 200,000miles+ with no mechanical problems and there's not a single modern German car you can say that about.
And scrapyards don't like them because they don't crush easily (no joke!).
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'German engineering' - "If only everything in life was as reliable as a Volkswagen"
Nowadays virtually everything in life is more reliable than a VW.
Once upon a time, when we drove Austin Princesses and Vauxhall 'Shove-its' and German cars had low-stress petrol or very basic diesel engines they were more reliable and better made. Nowadays highly-stressed high-pressure turbo diesels with particulate filters etc are not all that reliable for average motoring - 10,000miles a year / short journeys - and only really suitable for 20k+ motorway miles pa. German petrols also suffering from issues - see Audi TSi engines. Is this due to lack of investment in petrol engines as diesel was seen as the way forward? German cars retain an air of percieved quality in UK which is not bourne out in practise.
A Subaru flat-4 Boxer engine will see you to 200,000miles+ with no mechanical problems and there's not a single modern German car you can say that about.
And scrapyards don't like them because they don't crush easily (no joke!).
I have a new VW and in three months it has had a stream of faults including front wiper failure in torrential rain. However, German brands do know how to appeal to people. They make the interiors a bit nicer than the average, in the case of VW, Audi, BMW and Mercedes anyway. They feel nice places to sit in. They also have quite a bit of high tech. However, reliability surveys (which are not always that reliable!!!) consistently indicate that most German brands are only middle of the road for faults. The VW DSG gearbox has had lots of issues.
That said, I am sure I see a lot more 10+ year old VW Polos than Ford Fiestas on the roads. And they may be hard to crush because they are safe which is a good thing is it not?
I only wish Japanese brands would pay a bit more attention to general comfort (soft ride, sound proofing) and interior 'plushness' (quality of plastics).
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German brands do know how to appeal to people. They make the interiors a bit nicer than the average, in the case of VW, Audi, BMW and Mercedes anyway. They feel nice places to sit in. They also have quite a bit of high tech. However, reliability surveys (which are not always that reliable!!!) consistently indicate that most German brands are only middle of the road for faults. The VW DSG gearbox has had lots of issues.
That said, I am sure I see a lot more 10+ year old VW Polos than Ford Fiestas on the roads. And they may be hard to crush because they are safe which is a good thing is it not?
I only wish Japanese brands would pay a bit more attention to general comfort (soft ride, sound proofing) and interior 'plushness' (quality of plastics).
Absolutely right. Interior comfort, quality, refinement and a good driving experience mean the most to me from a car.
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Absolutely right. Interior comfort, quality, refinement and a good driving experience mean the most to me from a car.
I prefer reliability. It doesn't matter how comfortable the car is when it is broken down in some god forsaken spot. For reliability the general opinion is to get Japanese or Korean cars. That is especially important if you are keeping them long term.
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My criteria are based on mainly local travel usually over rural roads and often related to my beekeeping hobbt so:
flat folding boot floor and low boot cill (to laod bee hives and equipment
ability to get going in mud/looose gravel after passing another car on single track roads.
Being narrow enough to travel on single track roads.
Ability to travel in snow.
Reliability. I don't want to get stuck in some wilderness.
Tough trim to stand abuse.
Easy top park, good turning circle and easy to drive.
Quiet and reasonably comfortable.
You migh think I am travelling on unmade roads.. I am not. But Range Rovers are too big and wide for these roads and BMWs appear driven by poeople who cannot drive in snow and ice. They use their FWD runabouts instead.
And leather seats stain badly or rip when abused so in practical terms are useless.
I realsie my requirments appear minorty to those who travel on motorways but for others, being able to carry shopping without having it flung round a boot with no anchorage is rather useful..
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It would be so good if everyone who askes for car-buying advice did what you've just done, Madf - not that you need advice as that specification has Honda Jazz written all over it, and that's what you've got.
It seems obvious, but doesn't always happen: think through exactly what you need from a car, have a budget in mind, and you should end up with a car that does what you want and is also good to drive.
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You’ve pretty much explained why car reviews are of limited use, as the scoring system can’t weight the result to fit your needs. I needed a car that was easy to park, cheapish to run, has a decent boot to take hockey kit, and is comfortable and pleasant to drive, without needing to be sporty. That ruled out silly rubber band tyres, city cars too and ‘executive’ cars.
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I apologise for my appalling spelling - far too late to edit it. I use Chrome and spelling check does not appear to work on HJ.. A very senior moment..(must learn how to spell demenshia)
:-)
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The Idependent online today ran an article about modern diesel cars emitting more fumes than permitted, and they put the finger on... "The worst performing vehicle was the Subaru Forester, which at 2.0g/km of NOx was 25 times higher than Euro 6 levels."
www.independent.co.uk/environment/diesel-cars-air-...l
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The Idependent online today ran an article about modern diesel cars emitting more fumes than permitted, and they put the finger on... "The worst performing vehicle was the Subaru Forester, which at 2.0g/km of NOx was 25 times higher than Euro 6 levels."
www.independent.co.uk/environment/diesel-cars-air-...l
Interesting read thanks for the link. You've got to laugh at Greenpeace criticising diesel. Those ships of theirs must run on hot air. They certainly spout plenty of it!
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The Idependent online today ran an article about modern diesel cars emitting more fumes than permitted, and they put the finger on... "The worst performing vehicle was the Subaru Forester, which at 2.0g/km of NOx was 25 times higher than Euro 6 levels."
www.independent.co.uk/environment/diesel-cars-air-...l
Interesting read thanks for the link. You've got to laugh at Greenpeace criticising diesel. Those ships of theirs must run on hot air. They certainly spout plenty of it!
So if you value the environment you are not allowed to use petrol/diesel or fossil fuel generated electricity?
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I hope they add a hybrid engine option soon.
The XT is going to be a miss, I think.
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