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Audi A1 Sportback - Audi 1.4TFSI from 2013 - cambelt or chain? - craig-pd130

A friend of mine is looking at a 2013 Audi A1 1.4TFSI Sportback at a car supermarket on Friday. Claimed to be full service history, 1 owner etc. 44,000 miles.

Is there any definitive way of telling if it's got a cam-chain or cambelt variant of the 1.4 motor, from looking in the engine bay, etc? Or is it only distinguishable by checking the VIN?

If it's a cambelt, the car will be 5 years old this year so it will probably need doing if it hasn't been done ... and I guess if it's a camchain engine then he needs to check the service record to ensure it's had annual services, not 'long life' servicing.

Thanks for any pointers!

Audi A1 Sportback - Audi 1.4TFSI from 2013 - cambelt or chain? - Big John

If when you lift the bonnet you see an oil fiter top left front of the engine(above alternator) and turbo near the front of the car then it is the old EA111 cam chain engine

If the oil filter is at the bottom of the engine and the turbo/exhaust is between the engine and the bulkhead then it's the later EA211 cam belt engine

Edited by Big John on 23/05/2018 at 16:44

Audi A1 Sportback - Audi 1.4TFSI from 2013 - cambelt or chain? - skidpan

The cam belt change interval is 5 years or 120,000 miles whichever come first. The belt should also be checked every 20,000 miles form 60,000 onwards for wear/damage and replaced if needed.

The replacement cost on a Seat Leon (same engine) is £329 plus £130 for the waterpump if replaced at the same time. The Audi should cost no more.

Your friend should factor this in.

Or better still, buy a newer Seat Leon TSi for the same money.

Audi A1 Sportback - Audi 1.4TFSI from 2013 - cambelt or chain? - craig-pd130

Thanks, Big John & Skidpan. Based on your advice, I've sent him a checklist of points to note and questions to ask.

I woulld advise my friend to go to Seat or Skoda, but he's completely non-technical and buys cars based on the colour and badge. So all I can do is try and help him avoid an obvious lemon / money pit.

Audi A1 Sportback - Audi 1.4TFSI from 2013 - cambelt or chain? - KJP 123

My impression was that chains were more reliable or longer lasting than belts. Since VW started cutting back on component costs it seems to be no longer true.

Audi A1 Sportback - Audi 1.4TFSI from 2013 - cambelt or chain? - galileo

My impression was that chains were more reliable or longer lasting than belts. Since VW started cutting back on component costs it seems to be no longer true.

Years back some high camshafts were gear driven, presumably chains and belts were preferred for reasons of cost/space/weight.?

Edited by galileo on 23/05/2018 at 23:21

Audi A1 Sportback - Audi 1.4TFSI from 2013 - cambelt or chain? - craig-pd130

Years back some high camshafts were gear driven, presumably chains and belts were preferred for reasons of cost/space/weight.?

Purely for cost and space reasons: a train of gears is expensive to manufacture and must be assembled with precision on the production line, with the entire gear train being indexed during assembly to ensure the valves don't tangle. The gear train also takes up more space, but wouldn't necesserily weigh more than a camchain / sprocket / tensioner assembly.

But a gear cam drive gives more accurate valve timing that is far less likely to change / slip over time, and lowers friction too.

Honda had a debacle with their flagship VF750 V4 bike engine in the mid-80s: large numbers of engines were eating their camshafts within the warranty period. Multiple fixes were tried, from oil additives to new cams but none worked: it put off existing and potential customers alike. Combined with Honda's long-standing reputation for having camchain tensioners on their bikes that were fiddly to set up and often seized, the whole thing nearly killed the motorcycle division.

To salvage its reputatio, Honda redesigned the V4 engine to have gear-driven cams - no tensioner, accurate timing, etc. The press at the time speculated about the sheer design and production costs, but it was worth it, as the engine turned out to be bombproof, and became one of THE bikes of the late 80s and 90s.

It later transpired that the original cam-lunching issue wasn't anything to do with the type of cam drive: it was because to save money on the production line, Honda machined the cylinder head and the camshaft caps separately, instead of line-boring the cam bearing journals as a unit (the latter is more accurate than machining them individually). This meant that some machines had cam bearings that were a bit too loose, allowing the cams to move and wear the bearing surfaces rapidly, while other machines were fine.

But Honda had to do something drastic to salvage the engine's reputation, as it had basically bet the future of the bike division on the V4 engine design.

Audi A1 Sportback - Audi 1.4TFSI from 2013 - cambelt or chain? - John F

My impression was that chains were more reliable or longer lasting than belts. Since VW started cutting back on component costs it seems to be no longer true.

A modern aramid belt will probably wear less and last longer than a chain with its continual friction between pins, rollers and plates, especially if oil changes are neglected. In some cars the belt is expected to last the life of the engine. Belts have an unjustified reputation for unreliability because, unlike most chain engines, they often drive other things, usually water pump and tensioner pulley, which can fail causing a perfectly serviceable belt to fry and/or snap. (It nearly happened to me - I changed a whining stiff tension pulley in our old Passat 2.0GL - the belt was still OK when it was sold at 242,000m). Also, the high quality original was sometimes inexpertly replaced during 'servicing', sometimes with an inferior cheapy.

The 5 yearly change advice is a disgraceful sop to the service industry. Fleet and new car buyers don't care because they will offload cars much younger. No significant deterioration will have occurred in such a short time.

Years back some high camshafts were gear driven, presumably chains and belts were preferred for reasons of cost/space/weight.?

Years back, shaft drive was also used.....Bugatti, Auto Union, Sherman tanks!

Audi A1 Sportback - Audi 1.4TFSI from 2013 - cambelt or chain? - craig-pd130

Years back some high camshafts were gear driven, presumably chains and belts were preferred for reasons of cost/space/weight.?

Years back, shaft drive was also used.....Bugatti, Auto Union, Sherman tanks!

Until the early 80s, on Ducati bikes, too. They moved to belts, but still retain desmodromic operation on some bikes (i.e. separate rockers to open AND close the valves, for more precise timing and lower friction)