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Dealers that don't care? - P3t3r

I visited a main dealer recently and couldn't believe how bad their car park was.

To enter the car park you need to cross an uneven pavement, which is covered in scrapes where cars have dragged their bellies in the past. I went slowly and was ok in my car (good ground clearance), but if you had purchased something new and sporty then I'm not sure how you would get it in and out. Once I was in, there were cars parked everywhere and I think I had the last space, which was in an area full of new (unregistered) cars. Even though parking spaces marked out, there were cars parked everywhere. They had even fitted their own charging point on their own double yellow lines!

Anyway, I only went for some parts but I know where I won't be going when I want a new car. I was pretty annoyed as it just tells me that they don't care about cars and they don't care about drivers. How do they expect to sell cars?

Not sure where I'll go when I want a new car as I suspect most dealers are like this.

Dealers that don't care? - oldroverboy.

How do they expect to sell cars?

Not sure where I'll go when I want a new car as I suspect most dealers are like this.

I have had the same experience lately..

Went to look at the MGZS at a local dealer when it was launched. Nice young enthusiastic young salesman sent away by older more cynical one who didn't want to sell me the model i was interested in and said he wouldn't take it back in PX later on. cars all over the place, tight parking and no chance of a test drive...

Went to a Dealer in Needham market, been in the same family since 1911 (started selling model T fords... Different altogether.. leave your car there.. want a demo for an entire day.. OK off you go... Coffee.. real in coffee cups, not disposable... will look for availability of the model you want monday, can't do it today.. (sat PM)

If and when we change will go there.

Dealers that don't care? - badbusdriver

I wouldn't jump the gun there with assumptions based on one visit to buy parts. They may have been rearranging their stock which could have been why cars were all over the place. Also, regarding their charging point, its possible the reason double yellows were there was to prevent anyone from blocking access to it. Or possibly, the charging point was a recent addition and they haven't got round to changing the road markings. Also, they may be planning to move to a new premises soon so there would be no point in spending large amounts of money on the current one.

I'd be much more interested in the service offered, that would be the clincher for me.

In December i was forced into buying a replacement van for work. For various reasons i ended up travelling from North East Scotland to Blackburn (Lancashire) to buy what i was looking for. Because of my circumstances i was essentially committed to buying the van, unless it was an absolute dog, but i took comfort in the excellent Autotrader dealer reviews of the garage in question (Globe Motors). I was picked up from the bus station by the proprieter and he apologised about the state of the side road you have to drive down to get to the garage, it really looked like something you'd see in a war zone with massive potholes and a patchwork quilt of mismatched tar!. The garage itself was nothing to look at from the road either, but the service was 1st class, the van was immaculately prepared, all the paperwork was gone through thoroughly and most importantly, 5 months on i'm still happy with the van.

Edited by badbusdriver on 29/04/2018 at 12:04

Dealers that don't care? - P3t3r

I must admit, this same dealer did give me a good test drive almost 10 years ago. They pretty much just handed me keys, gave me a brief explanation of the controls and said see you later. Much better than having a salesman doing a short (and very poor) demonstration drive first... as if I'm unable to drive without watching somebody else drive first.

Dealers that don't care? - TheGentlemanThug

I must admit, this same dealer did give me a good test drive almost 10 years ago. They pretty much just handed me keys, gave me a brief explanation of the controls and said see you later. Much better than having a salesman doing a short (and very poor) demonstration drive first... as if I'm unable to drive without watching somebody else drive first.

Had the exact same experience with a Volvo dealer back in 2008. They handed me the keys and said "come back when you're finished". I was gone for three hours and they didn't bat an eyelid when I brought the car back. Had a coffee, a chat and ended up buying a C30 from them. Superb service.

Dealers that don't care? - Andrew-T

I think many long-established dealers still on long-established sites probably suffer from shortage of parking. A little of that will be because all the parked cars are 20+% bigger than they used to be, but most of it is because they seem to keep so much stock. The only solution is to move to bigger premises on Car Strip at the edge of town.

My 'newest' car came from the Pug dealer in Macclesfield, which (unusually for the 21st century) is still in the hands of the family that started the business in 1911. I don't go there often as it is 30 miles away, but the service they gave me was well above average. Their parking is a bit awkward (near the station) and it could well be their original site.

Dealers that don't care? - SLO76
A problem common to most dealers unfortunately. Even my local VW dealer which I rate as excellent has a major issue with customer parking, so bad in fact that twice staff have damaged cars we’ve put in for service. Both times they repaired them properly, gave us a courtesy car and valeted our own fully. They badly need to expand but are hemmed in by other dealers and a hotel. I still rate their service as top notch however, even if I often have to park down the street when I visit.
Dealers that don't care? - Leif
We are a small country with very expensive land, not so surprising reallythat dealers have limited parking space.
Dealers that don't care? - P3t3r
A problem common to most dealers unfortunately. Even my local VW dealer which I rate as excellent has a major issue with customer parking, so bad in fact that twice staff have damaged cars we’ve put in for service.

I think this is completely unacceptable, I wouldn't want my car going anywhere near them!

Dealers that don't care? - SLO76
“I think this is completely unacceptable, I wouldn't want my car going anywhere near them!”

I can understand that but they did resolve the problem both times quickly and effectively plus the standard of service is excellent. They’ve nowhere to expand into so parking will always be a problem.
Dealers that don't care? - Engineer Andy

My local dealership is a multi-franchise, but they still insist on customer parking for each in separate places. As such, mine has just 6, yes, 6 (!), most of which are rapidly taken up throughout the day by people dropping off their cars for servicing etc, and rarely having one of more left for potential new customers. Even the 'new'(er) dealership building for them (another make) 150m up the road has braely any more spaces.

On the other side of the coin, the local VW dealer has about 30-40 spaces just for customers, easy to get in/out (unlike the my multi-make dealership) and well spaced out. Its because they decided long ago to expand their original site to have more than one delership, but it unusual location (right next to a railway bridge) is very restrictive.

Dealers that don't care? - bathtub tom

I was looking for a nearly-new car and visited a main dealer. Big site, but the only parking space available had a jack-the-lad standing in it on his mobile and he wouldn't move to let me in. A cleaner directed me to a newly vacated position. I was met inside by a comely young lass who offered me a coffee, but couldn't deal with any questions about their stock. I declined the coffee and said I'd wander around the site to view their cars, she replied that she'd find a salesman to come out to me. After ten minutes or so, guess who came out? The young jack-the-lad who had so arrogantly blocked me from parking. I denigrated the condition and prices of cars and told him where he could stick them.

I bought eslewhere.

Dealers that don't care? - Leif
There are plenty of VW dealers within 25 miles of me, and all are helpful with plenty of parking. When looking for a new car I went to several Audi dealers. In one case parking was a nightmare. And I couldn’t get to see a sales person. It was full of young trendy couples. And there were no five door A1s on display. I have a suspicion Audi dealers have to work less hard to sell cars, as they spend a lot on advertising to create demand. I must admit I saw little to lift them above VW. Of course a sample of two dealers might be atypical.

I recently left a company whose sales staff were with one exception unpleasant and dysfunctional. I lost track of the number of times I was verbally abused by one of them for no reason whatsoever. He would enter the room and insult me. I mentioned to someone that sales people should be charming, with good social skills. I was told that the products were so in demand that customers came to them on their knees, and staff did not need to be charming. .
Dealers that don't care? - Ian_SW

In my experience, it's the same dealers that generally don't seem to be bothered about selling you anything that also have problems with parking. I've been to dealers on large sites where the used car stock is taking up all the spaces marked "customer parking", despite there being plenty of other ways they could have lined up the used cars. It's perfectly reasonably park stock in bumper to bumper two or three deep, but some places don't seem to bother and wonder why potential customers drive in, can't find anywhere to park and drive out again.

At the other end of the scale, there was a dealer I used to use when I was living in North-East London ten years ago which had the smallest site I'd ever come across for a franchised main dealer. The showroom part of it had space for about three cars and a couple of desks, and you drove through a narrow tunnel between the two sides of the showroom into a small yard behind for servicing, used cars and customer parking. I'd guess there was space for about 20 cars at most in the back yard, with most then blocked in. Despite this very limited site, I never had a problem parking there. The moment you drove through the tunnel, a member of staff turned up and asked what you were there for. If it was for servicing, they either put it straight into a workshop bay if one was free or someone took the car off you and drove it off site out of the way. If you were looking at buying a car they somehow always found somewhere in the yard where you weren't blocked in, often by moving one of their demonstrators.

I thought the corporate branding blob would have got rid of them by now or forced them to move to a bigger site, but I've just checked and they are still there on the same site. Presumably this is because their efficiency and interest in serving the customer means their sales figures are too good to force them to do so.

Dealers that don't care? - Bilboman

I knew I'd made a good choice when I bought a brand new Toyota 18 months ago when I dropped in to the "sister" showroom of the original main dealer (there are two in adjoining towns) for a small aftermarket purchase. A minute after parking in the (large) covered customer service area by the office reception, a young salesman greeted me BY MY NAME as I walked inside, and asked me if my new car was running well. (Hardly an issue with a Toyota, but I appreciated the interest!) He'd run my number plate through the dealership's computer as he saw me drive in.

Dealers that don't care? - Miniman777
Dealers seem short on space because not only do they have cars for servicing, they have a surplus of stock and no where to park it. When once picking up a Mini after repair at Sytner Leicester, the guy mentioned an underground car park. Wasn’t surprised as it was a custom built location.
Dealers that don't care? - NARU
Dealers seem short on space because not only do they have cars for servicing, they have a surplus of stock and no where to park it...

They also have customer cars waiting for parts. I remember staying in an hotel a few years ago, where my room gave me a view into the back yard of the LR dealer. At the time it was full of (presumably) customer vehicles which seemed to be missing engines.

Dealers that don't care? - P3t3r

In my experience, it's the same dealers that generally don't seem to be bothered about selling you anything that also have problems with parking. I've been to dealers on large sites where the used car stock is taking up all the spaces marked "customer parking", despite there being plenty of other ways they could have lined up the used cars. It's perfectly reasonably park stock in bumper to bumper two or three deep, but some places don't seem to bother and wonder why potential customers drive in, can't find anywhere to park and drive out again.

I don't want to buy a car that's kept being shuffled around a car park. I see this a lot of dealers with cars parked bumper to bumper and I bet their batteries get a hammering. I used to drive past a dealer regularly and every morning they would move a car to the front and put it back at the end of the day. They did this for many months and would I want to buy that car? That's probably one of the reasons that I prefer to buy privately rather than from a dealer.

Dealers that don't care? - focussed
I recently left a company whose sales staff were with one exception unpleasant and dysfunctional. I lost track of the number of times I was verbally abused by one of them for no reason whatsoever. He would enter the room and insult me.. .

You must have had your own reasons to have to put up with that - like needing the job to pay the bills. But was there nothing you could have done to head that sort of behaviour off?

Dealers that don't care? - Engineer Andy
I recently left a company whose sales staff were with one exception unpleasant and dysfunctional. I lost track of the number of times I was verbally abused by one of them for no reason whatsoever. He would enter the room and insult me.. .

You must have had your own reasons to have to put up with that - like needing the job to pay the bills. But was there nothing you could have done to head that sort of behaviour off?

I often find that if the boss knowingly accepts bad behaviour from subordinates, then he won't want to do anything about it. Others employ the 'I see no ships' approach because they are third rate managers and have no clue how to fix the problem, or, in some cases, no moral or actual authority over them to be able to improve things.

Sadly a sign of the modern era of management.

Dealers that don't care? - NARU

I visited a main dealer recently and couldn't believe how bad their car park was...

A dealer local to me let weeds and rubbish accumulate across their frontage over the last couple of years. I figured that if they can't be bothered to pick up the rubbish they simply don't care.

The nearby Audi, VW, Honda and Toyota showrooms all look smart and tidy - and are noticeably busier.

Dealers that don't care? - madf

A dealer local to me let weeds and rubbish accumulate across their frontage over the last couple of years. I figured that if they can't be bothered to pick up the rubbish they simply don't care.

+1

Like entering an office and stopping at reception. First impressions tend to exemplify the business's approach to customer service.

Dealers that don't care? - badbusdriver

When my wife and i went to test drive a new Jazz, we were offered tea or coffee which was served in proper cups, same again when we picked the car up. Also, during the handover, the manager came to introduce himself personally and emphasise that if there was any problems to get in touch straight away. Also, my wife was presented with a large bouquet of flowers before we left, something which, were you to buy it from a florist, would have cost, i'd say at least £25, maybe more. And the thing is, my wife gets a motability car, so i doubt the dealer makes much, if any, money out of the deal.

Dealers that don't care? - Andrew-T

... my wife was presented with a large bouquet of flowers before we left,

When in their early twenties and getting their own cars, both my daughters bought 205s from a nearby Nissan dealer, for noticeably less than the nearby Pug dealer. Both also received flowers, tho probably not on the lavish scale you mention.

Dealers that don't care? - Leif

Indeed. I bought an Up from a local VW dealer. Over the following years the salesman said hello to me by name each time he saw me. They always provided a good service, such as a loan car and a hand car wash when my car was being seen to. They have had one or two hiccups but always took the blame and made good. It's the main reason I went back when I bought a Polo. I get the impression they want my custom. It's hard to keep customers, easy to lose them.

Dealers that don't care? - skidpan

Our local Ford dealer had a s***3 site and the interior was just as bad. But we had good service for years from the same staff and the prices were reasonable. They moved to a new gin palace, staff changed, prices went up, not bought a Ford since.

Same with BMW. Local one had reasonable premises but parking was abysmal. Staff were great and prices good. They moved to a new emporium. All the service staff were replaced by dolls heads, prices went up and they tried to rob me of £150. Never been back.

Bring back the old sites and staff.

However, the first time we looked at Skoda the dealer was based in a detached house and the servicing was carried out in wooden sheds. The salesman was ignorant and dismissive, we walked away. They are now in a new purpose built palace and the parking is good, the sales staff friendly and the prices reasonable.

No set rule is there.

Dealers that don't care? - SLO76
“ the manager came to introduce himself personally and emphasise that if there was any problems to get in touch straight away.”

Good service but not much risk to him when you’re driving off in a new Jazz, it’ll never give a moments bother. Our manager did the same with customers buying new or used Colts, Galants and Shoguns but his presence was never noticed during the handover of a used Fiat, Renault or Citroen.