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ABS Light- Cars vs Motorcycles - Cris_on_the_gas

Got 2 motorcycles different makes both fitted with ABS. On both it is necessary to ride at greater than 6 or 8 mph depending on bike before the ABS check light goes out. This is stated in the handbook, different speeds but within 2mph for both..

As we all know ABS has been fitted in cars for many years now. Of the 2 cars I regularly drive both ABS lights come on but extiniguish before the vehicle moves.

So question is why does ABS check work differently on cars and motorcycles ?

ABS Light- Cars vs Motorcycles - liammcl

how old are the motorbikes?

the older bikes apparently use a diffent way of sensing the wheels moving ..
magents and coils, (passive sensor below)
and the newer ones hall effect semi conductores

cribbed
"Types of ABS Sensors

TRW ABS Sensors have undergone a huge amount of change and development since introduction to the market, which means they are available in a variety of designs depending on specific car requirements. The two basic types are active and passive ABS Sensors.

Active sensors need an external energy source to operate and are designed for toothed/magnetic encoder wheels. There are also two types of active sensors, Hall sensors and Magneto Resistive sensors.

  • The Hall sensor reacts to changes in magnetic fields with a voltage difference which is transmitted to the control unit as a clearly defined square wave signal. Hall sensors record the wheel speed via a segmented disc that rotates with the wheel or a ring with alternating magnetic fields (magnetic encoder). Hall sensors are highly precise but require a precise installation position.
  • The magneto-resistive AMR sensors are currently regarded as the most advanced but also the most expensive ABS sensors. Their great advantage over the other designs is their ability to detect the rotational direction of the wheels. The signal is extremely precise and AMR sensors are practically tolerant to their installation position. The encoder disc comprises magnetic arc segments which cause a clear change in resistance when passing the sensor. For the control unit, this change acts as a parameter for the wheel’s rotational speed and direction.

Passive sensors require a toothed wheel and only start to operate when the wheel reaches a certain rotational speed. They are larger than active sensors and less precise, which means their presence in modern vehicles is becoming scarcer, but given the simplicity of the design they are easier to check and often more robust. TRW passive sensors are built with a coil around a magnetic core, this permanent magnet creates a magnetic field. As the toothed wheel turns, it changes the field, which then induces an electrical current depending on whether there is a tooth or not."

Liam

ABS Light- Cars vs Motorcycles - liammcl

ps down the bottom

"types of ABS sensors"

www.trwaftermarket.com/en/passenger-cars-and-lcv/a.../

the newer ones are just more sensitive to any rotation...

cheers
Liam

Edited by liammcl on 30/12/2017 at 04:57

ABS Light- Cars vs Motorcycles - liammcl

it seems? old cars had to go over 6mph too ?

www.toyotanation.com/forum/132-corolla-9th-gen-1st...l

www.stanleysubaru.com/blog/2012/april/19/how-do-br...m

and old trailers too
www.haldex.com/globalassets/north-america/document...w

cheers
liam

ABS Light- Cars vs Motorcycles - liammcl

"(the older 6mph) passive sensor creates an AC signal that changes frequency as the wheel changes speed. The ABS control module converts this AC signal to a digital signal for interpretation. It monitors all wheel speed inputs. If one wheel starts to rotate slower than the others, the system will reduce hydraulic pressure to that wheel until it regains traction.

The newer active sensor creates a digital signal. This type of digital wheel speed sensor uses a hall effect or a variable reluctance signal with a square wave pattern. The sensor may have two or three wires. One of which is used as a voltage power supply from the ABS control module. A digital WSS is more accurate at slow speeds. It's also capable of detecting which direction the wheel is turning."

www.freeasestudyguides.com/wheel-speed-sensors-typ...l

what a wheely interesting question :)

Cheers
Liam

ABS Light- Cars vs Motorcycles - Cris_on_the_gas

how old are the motorbikes?

A 2012 KTM Duke 690 and a 2017 Triumph Tiger Sport

Many thanks for your replies, very informative.