It may be a 2012, but it should have the same diesel engine as the older 2.2 engines fitted to the 6 and CX5. The newer engines came, I think, with the introduction of the new 6, in 2013.
|
Thanks for that. We await with interest to see what happens when these 2013-onwards cars reach high mileages.
|
A salutary lesson in service failure - my 2013 CX5 diesel was purchased for highway travel with expectations of a long engine life for that type of use. 4 years of good service with only one glitch that required all hoses with the turbo to be replaced (done under warranty as this occurred within a week of a scheduled service having been carried out).
Faithfully serviced (at the Mazda premium service charges rates) for the four years with Mazda service every 10,000 kms. At 180,000kms - 2 weeks before a scheduled service the engine started intermittingly losing power for a short period - no warning lights came on. I took note to mention this at the dealer for the upcoming service that had been booked. The Friday of the week before the scheduled service the engine lost power, went into limp mode and displayed warning lights that the engine temperature was critical. I parked the vehicle, inspected the engine and found to my horror that there was no coolant in the overflow tank - INCREDIBLE - a premium vehicle was unable to warn me that the coolant level was compromised until it totally run out!
Got the car to a dealer who gave me the news - needs a new engine and Mazda will not accept any responsibility. Massive fail and, as a long time Mazda vehicle fan, I have lost any respect for this brand even though I absolutely love driving their vehicles.
I also have a 2011 Mazda 6 with the same diesel engine and it is currently on 240,00kms and still going well apart from the exorbitant cost of an airconditioning compressor replacement when its bearing started to go - the exorbitant cost being because there was no after market alternative to the genuine Mazda part so the Mazda premium came into play.
I had reasonable expectations when I made the purchase of my CX5 that I could expect upwards of 350,000 kms out of the engine with regular servicing as it was a diesel engine - the reason I paid a premium for the vehicle. Seems like that is no longer a respectable expectation that can be made of Mazda diesel engines - despite faithfully adhering to their recommended servicing regime. Sad, disappointed and disillusioned.
The dealer said I could take the matter up with Mazda as sometimes this changed the outcome of requests - I think not... I rely on the dealers to be my intermediary with Mazda - that is their role. The dealer will not provide me with Mazda's reasons for denial of a warranty claim made by the dealer (who incidentally has another CX5 on their workshop hoists with the same issue) - transparency? total lack of.... Massive fail Mazda.
|
Is this a windup and not serious?
But assuming it's not a windup, I will answer seriously:
"At 180,000kms - 2 weeks before a scheduled service the engine started intermittingly losing power for a short period - no warning lights came on. I took note to mention this at the dealer for the upcoming service that had been booked"
DId you open the bonnet to check oil or water after this problem or just continued driving?
|
In the UK the Mazda warranty is for 60,000 miles (100,000 km approx) You had done almost twice that. You can forget amy contribution form Mazda.
What I read is that when it lost power and no warning lights cam on you simply carried on driving. If that is correct you should learn form your expensive lesson. The car was trying to tell you something, you ignored it and killed it. If you feel unwell do you simply ignore it or go to the Doctors, the Mk 1 human body has no warning lights.
|
Be interested to learn if the latest CX 5 diesels suffer the same problems detailed in the threads or have Mazda at long last sorted the problem ?
|
I suspect this will be down to the oil pickup being blocked and the engine starved of oil
Seems to be a common failure on this engine which, in true Mazda fashion, they will deny all knowledge of.
Mazda may make the odd decent petrol (apart from the ones which rust) but their diesels have been giving grief ever since the original 6 and Mazda's response and customer service abysmal in every single case for over a decade.
The jury on the later diesels is out but there are other car manufacturer's out there so why take the risk?
|
I suspect this will be down to the oil pickup being blocked and the engine starved of oil
Seems to be a common failure on this engine which, in true Mazda fashion, they will deny all knowledge of.
Mazda may make the odd decent petrol (apart from the ones which rust) but their diesels have been giving grief ever since the original 6 and Mazda's response and customer service abysmal in every single case for over a decade.
The jury on the later diesels is out but there are other car manufacturer's out there so why take the risk?
Put it this way - I'm a big fan of their cars generally (and I've owned a 3 since new that's now 12 years old with very little in the way of issues) and I wouldn't go near a Mazda diesel, even a new one, even if I needed one for high mileage driving. I'd probably end up with a Honda if I did - I won't compromise on reliability.
What's noticeable (to me at least) as well is how many very new cars (as well as the Sport models shod on low profile tyres) seem to find their way very quickly back onto their forecourts compared to the petrol-engined cars - even before 'dieselgate' (much more after that) there was always more of them for sale second hand than petrols, on all cars except for the Mazda2.
To me, that doesn't inspire confidence in the quality of the diesel engines they use, and/or perhaps the advice their sales agents give, e.g. about not buying a diesel-powered car for use predominantly on short journeys or the ride quality of their range-topping sport models on low profile tyres (often another regular complaint, mentioned in HJ's reviews). I've also heard many tales of people being given the brush off by Mazda UK (the dealerships are [IMO] variable, some good, some not so much) when problems arise, even if they have a full main dealer service history.
If I were Mazda, I'd, if possible, change their source of diesel engines from the current lot (Ford/PSA for the 1.5 [variant of the 1.6 - 'diesel-of-doom'], not sure who makes the 2.2 for them) to another make with better reliability (their performance seems to be fine), e.g. Honda. They're having a tie-up with Toyota to develop hybrid petrol engines, so its not as though having a deal with a local rival isn't out of the question (though might be if the price is too high).
|
The CX-5 2.2 isnt the same engine as the older 2.2, and i have never read of any of the old cars problems on the skyactive engines, no oil pick up blockage due to leaking injectors for example.
I'm on my second cx-5 diesel, my first 2013 car was one of a batch with in a certain Vin range that could have a prematuring cam, or brake vacuum pump, when my car went in for its second service, the garage said the vacuum pump had been checked due to a campaign prompted by Mazda to check for premature wear.
Mine was found out of tolerance so had to be changed, it was after this that i lost confidence in the long term reliability, so looked at other alternatives, sadly no other car ticked my boxes so i bought a 2015 cx-5 2.2. So far at over two years its been faultless.
I do get a little oil rise, but not as much as the 2013, but both sump levels were nowhere near the X mark that denotes immediate oil change due to possible oil dilution leading to low oil pressure.
The sump level on this engine needs to be checked weekly IMO, also the oil should be changed at 7K miles not 12.5K that the mazda schedule says.
I only do 7K a year, so mine is changed every year. My driving is 90% local, the rest towing a caravan of 1700kg.
Any engine oddity should be investigated immediately, don't continue to drive and hope for the best, Mazda do not fit a engine coolant gauge.
If you are unlucky enough to buy an early car, theres a good chance that the cam or brake vacuum pump will give wear leading to metal blocking oil ways, leading to among other things two turbos to replace, the cx-5 is a great engine i just love mine, but you need to understand its weak areas.
I will add though that low water levels are by no means common.
And an owner of a 2017 reports no oil rise issues on his car with over 8K miles, he his a mechanic who had a 2015 car that did have some oil rise, as do a lot of other diesel engines from other makes.
Mazda are really good with contributions to known problems, but only if you have main dealer services.
Edited by xtrailman on 11/03/2018 at 12:56
|
Doesn't sound good that they have to have oil changes at far lower mileages than Mazda recommend (more like those recommended in the 1980s - 1990s), but if it works...
If I were Mazda and it was proved that the vast, vast majority of the problems went away by more frequent oil changes and telling owners to check their car's oil level weekly, then its far better to fund the extra oil changes rather than have to fork out £Ms for engine changes or suchlike, and the loss in confidence (and presumably sales) in the brand (especially their diesel-engined vehicles) over the longer term, especially with their new petrol engine design coming on stream next year or so. They don't have Ford to back them up financially any more.
I would also say that, other than for a reasonable amount of towing and regular long (20+ mile each way at least twice a week on fast-flowing roads) trips for more than 20k miles pa, they should be strongly recommending ALL punters go petrol engined cars and put it in writing to demonstrate that, plus indicating they cannot honour the warranty if its used on predominantly short journeys where the DPF will inevitably get clogged on a regular basis and break after a relatively short time, costing a fortune to repair or especially replace.
I think too many dealerships, across most, if not all makes, whether sanctioned by HQ or just 'enthusiatic' sales staff doing anything to reach a target or just not doing their homework, need to get a grip on the poor information given about what diesel engined cars are designed for and the problems owners will almost certainly face if they use them for low mileage driving for short trips.
I agree that, unlike with HGVs, very little has been done by car manufacturers to ensure that active regens are done when its convenient for the owner as well as the car, let alone if they know at all if one is being done when using it and having advice what to do, but many of the problems associated with diesel car use have been known, perhaps since they changed over to common rail engines with emissions reducing technology, and probably about 90% of the knock-on effects could've been avoided by just being realistic (including by both the authorities [EU, national governments and industry organisations, etc] and manufacturers) about the real world emissions of diesel cars from a few years ago and not 'allowed' defeat devices and punters to be conned into buying cars not fit for purpose just to pretend to save a bit of CO2 pollution.
|
I don't think it should be necessary to check the oii of any car once a week. Not as a matter of course. It is 2018, not 1968.
We are at the tail end of the era of the internal combustion engine for cars and they really should be able to get the basics of reliable oil lubrication right by now. Anything else is just p*** poor design.
|
The oil carbonization problem with turbo diesels, caused by hot turbo shut down and heat soak from the turbine housing, was solved years ago by specifying a turbo with a water cooled bearing housing - does this Mazda have that sort of turbo?
|
I don't think it should be necessary to check the oii of any car once a week. Not as a matter of course. It is 2018, not 1968.
We are at the tail end of the era of the internal combustion engine for cars and they really should be able to get the basics of reliable oil lubrication right by now. Anything else is just p*** poor design.
Better to do a quick check rather than do a 'I see no ships' routine, break down in the middle of nowhere or on the way to an important client or to the hospital just to prove a point about reliability of modern engines - all it would be is a stop gap measure (paid for by the manufacturers) until a permanent solution was found. It would save a lot of money and would show concern for the customer, just for the sake of one extra trip to the dealership for an oil change per year. All in all, not so bad for the sake of good customer relations.
|
I don't think it should be necessary to check the oii of any car once a week. Not as a matter of course. It is 2018, not 1968.
We are at the tail end of the era of the internal combustion engine for cars and they really should be able to get the basics of reliable oil lubrication right by now. Anything else is just p*** poor design.
Better to do a quick check rather than do a 'I see no ships' routine, break down in the middle of nowhere or on the way to an important client or to the hospital just to prove a point about reliability of modern engines - all it would be is a stop gap measure (paid for by the manufacturers) until a permanent solution was found. It would save a lot of money and would show concern for the customer, just for the sake of one extra trip to the dealership for an oil change per year. All in all, not so bad for the sake of good customer relations.
There is a difference between sensible oil changes of maybe 10k and checking oil level every month or so and expecting to check it every week,
Every week is rediculous on a modern car and any manufacturer who can't make a car which doesn't require this in 2018 really should think about making something else. Sorry, but it simply isn't good enough.
|
I don't think it should be necessary to check the oii of any car once a week. Not as a matter of course. It is 2018, not 1968.
We are at the tail end of the era of the internal combustion engine for cars and they really should be able to get the basics of reliable oil lubrication right by now. Anything else is just p*** poor design.
Better to do a quick check rather than do a 'I see no ships' routine, break down in the middle of nowhere or on the way to an important client or to the hospital just to prove a point about reliability of modern engines - all it would be is a stop gap measure (paid for by the manufacturers) until a permanent solution was found. It would save a lot of money and would show concern for the customer, just for the sake of one extra trip to the dealership for an oil change per year. All in all, not so bad for the sake of good customer relations.
There is a difference between sensible oil changes of maybe 10k and checking oil level every month or so and expecting to check it every week,
Every week is rediculous on a modern car and any manufacturer who can't make a car which doesn't require this in 2018 really should think about making something else. Sorry, but it simply isn't good enough.
It takes 10 minutes to check levels (cold) and top up screen wash on our three cars every Sunday morning. It’s been years since I needed to add oil regularly but I still do it. Why would you not? I had a much-vaunted (at the time) VAG diesel about a decade ago. It started to consume a litre of oil every 400 miles or so. At 700 miles a week it would have seized long before the month was up - how would the discussion with VAG have gone? Instead it was booked in pdq.
|
Hi Andy,
Thanks for all your support in supporting my daughter to source her Mazda 3 petrol.
Get the impression you have your own dealership.
Are you able to give me some clues to where you are.
Cheers
Steve
|
Hi Andy, Thanks for all your support in supporting my daughter to source her Mazda 3 petrol. Get the impression you have your own dealership. Are you able to give me some clues to where you are. Cheers Steve
No problem, though I don't work in the motor trade and never did - I've just owned a Mazda3 for 14 years from new and pay a great deal of attention to information about the brand and its cars, just in case...Mine just sailed through its 11th MOT in a row (no failures ever, touch wood) after the annual service, admitedly only with 67k miles on the clock.
I must admit the new gen-4 models (both the saloon and hatch versions) I saw whilst waiting in my local dealership were real lookers, inside and out. Bit pricey though.
Edited by Engineer Andy on 06/01/2020 at 18:40
|
|
|
Update - Mazda have accepted after analysing the vehicle electronics that there was noting in my control that could have avoided the issue and have agreed to provide an out of warranty full engine replacement with a new engine at their cost. My regular servicing with them (every 10,000 kms) was part of the reason as well. 180,000kms for a diesal engine is young - they should last at least twice that with the highway travel undertaken. Thank you Mazda.
|
"My regular servicing with them (every 10,000 kms) was part of the reason as well."
Indeed, and you deserve that good result by having it serviced so often. I don't know what the UK service schedule is but it won't be every 6,200 miles.
|
|
Hi Fred - Having the same issue as you had. Are you based in UK. Have you any advise on how to deal with Mazda. Like yourself have had a goodwill 10% offer. We have the added complication of being stuck in France on a tour of Europe. Any advice gratefully received.
Peter
|
|
|
|
|