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The engine can be fine, but as noted it needs much better servicing than the handbook might suggest (it isn't alone in this) and has some issues, mainly a silly little filter in the oil supply line that can starve the turbo of oil, and that injector seals can leak allowing blow by of combustion gases into the engine itself whch carbons up the oil leading to eventual seizure.
If looked after serviced and driven properly from day one and someone keeps an eye on things, and every now and again at oil change time someone inspects inside the sump with a tiny camera, particularly the oil pick up, then there's no reason the engine won't cover many hundreds of thousands of miles without a moments problem.
That 2.5 Pug lump SL076 mentions, i fully reconditioned one myself, new pistons rebore etc, completely worn out at 80k because the taxi owner driver couldn't be bothered to check or change the oil, expensive saving on servicing.
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"That 2.5 Pug lump SL076 mentions, i fully reconditioned one myself, new pistons rebore etc, completely worn out at 80k because the taxi owner driver couldn't be bothered to check or change the oil, expensive saving on servicing."
Proof that scrimping on servicing is always a false economy. I've been in a Mk II Granada taxi (many many years ago) that had over 1m miles on it supposedly on the original engine.
I loved old sluggers like this. They'd do massive mileages and were totally relaxing to drive as there was no point in trying to go fast. Old taxis would just run and run until the a*** fell out them.
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a silly little filter in the oil supply line that can starve the turbo of oil
And can get quickly blocked if the wrong oil is used. DPFs need "low ash" oil I believe.
Another thing to be ware of is that the EOLYS additive that is used to clean the DPF is injected into the fuel whenever the fuel cap is opened. So if the previous owner kept putting small amounts of fuel in instead of a complete fill up, the tank could indeed be empty.
I'm not certain about the Mini, but on Peugeot's there are little magnets in the fuel cap which trigger the sensor to inject the additive. They can come loose and fall out. Other DPF issues can be damage to the additive tank or pouch, dirt ingress in the additive tank electrics, failing glow plus and their relay (plugs are used in a regen). Even a non functioning engine cooling car can cause the regen process to fail and the filter get blocked.
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I'm not certain about the Mini, but on Peugeot's there are little magnets in the fuel cap which trigger the sensor to inject the additive. They can come loose and fall out.
And people complain when I critcise French cars!!!
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Hi all,
This is interetsing stuff-thanks for the replies! Ok, the issue itself is a ballache I could do without but I quite like understanding how things work!
Anyone know 100% if my model has the ad-blue tank? And if so based on the French technology would opening my fuel cap for a period of time really trigger its release!?
I have opted to go down the warranty route for now, my local garage has had it scanned and the only fault re engine management they came up with(which i'd assume and according to them is what the DPF would fall under) was for the Glow-Plug relay circuit. From reading about certain DPF regen processes the Glob Plugs do have a part to play but whether that is the case for the Mini I do not know?
Well they cleared this code, alas as soon as started the car the light came back on. In all honesty would a diagnostics at BMW/Mini really bring anything any different up or is there every possibility that my mechanics findings do relate to the DPF?
Warranty does not cover DPF nor wiring, so I'm kinda hoping that something else has failed in order for it to not cost me anything! Its certainly a fine line asking your garage to diagnose, potentially I could throw 3 hours labour at it to not find a thing! (hence my question re BMW/Mini garage to get this time down)
What would you say my next step should be? The local guys have been spot on and have not charged me a penny yet, they understand my situation. The original garage that supplied it are too being decent.
Thanks one and all for your input, you've been great :)
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No ad-blu or additive tank on these,but a faulty glow plug(s) would cause the dpf system to malfunction and cause a problem with the re-gen process.
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third party warranty will NOT cover existing or new faults its down to the seller for the first 6 months
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third party warranty will NOT cover existing or new faults its down to the seller for the first 6 months
Yup. Basically, it sounds as though the garage you bought it from sold it to you with a pre-existing fault. So it s their responsibility - at THEIR cost - to put it right.
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Thanks all once more for the input, a big thumbs up!
I'm not sure I follow re the warranty, I test drove it, it was fine, I drove home, its gained a fault.
If the failure of a unit is clarified I do not see how this does not give me valid grounds to claim?
Its also a 3 month warranty, so any point during this period I can claim, right? Or from what you are saying this would put my claim period from months 6-9? Confusing!
Rory
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Basically, the Consumer Rights Act states that a fault that occurs within the first 6 months is assumed to have been 'present or developing' at the time of sale. As such, you were sold goods that were faulty, and the vendor is responsible for repairing those goods.
This is absolutely nothing to do with a warranty. It is your right in law.
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Thanks. I'm aware of this however thought it was 28 days myself. Irrespective, whereby something isn't new thus as a consumer me being aware of goods having worn parts/functions upon purchase I'd be surprised if this ruling stands up, hence with things like second hand cars the option to buy/include a warranty.
I'm increasingly frustrated with the garage who sold it to me though, despite them stating they would ''not walk away from the problem'' they sold me the line about the ad-blue being a possible cause (after consulting their ''diesel guy'') when the b***** thing doesn't even use it! Not helpful!
So, from my limited understanding (and my mechanic confirmed) ''the glow plug relay circuit'' fault is linked to the DPF, but is this likely to be a cause or a sympton!? Dependant on this should I get it replaced and start the claim process?
Also can anyone confirm if the scan should have brought up an independent error code for the DPF as the light is on? And if so should I be taking it to a mini specialist? As mentioned my guys have stated an EM Scan should bring it up (they have a new £2500 machine) - that said the Mini dash EM light is unrelated!?
Really don't want to have to take it back, however I am becoming increasingly apprehensive at the potential unknown costs involved - especially as my first credit card payment for the car goes out this month :(
Thank you for all your help and time one and all!
Rory
Edited by NEWMINI84 on 01/06/2017 at 12:08
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Thanks. I'm aware of this however thought it was 28 days myself. Irrespective, whereby something isn't new thus as a consumer me being aware of goods having worn parts/functions upon purchase I'd be surprised if this ruling stands up, hence with things like second hand cars the option to buy/include a warranty.
If you don't know your rights in law, then you can be absolutely certain that the garage aren't going to help you out.
The selling grage are liabe for faults that happen within the first 6 months after sale. The faults are assumed to have been 'present or developing' at the time of sale, unless the garage can prove otherwise.
Take it back to the selling garage, kick off. Inform them that you wish to reject the car and receive a full refund under the Consumer Rights Act, as they have failed to rectify the faults. If they refuse, trading standards.
Stop messing about. The car has problems. Keep it, YOU will have problems, and those problems will end up costing YOU money.
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Whilst I appreciate the input I find it hard to believe that this is true in full, you're basically saying that warranties arent applicable. Why would people buy/receive warranties if everyone and anything can be returned within 6 months?
I don't want a fight with the garage, its more hassle than its worth if I have reason to claim, however I am of course looking to clarify things first in case this is my only option...at the moment I still see this as the final option. ''Messing about'' driving 130 miles and back (i say and back, if i reject the car i will be stranded unless i take back my px!), the credit card fees, the toll fees, the petrol costs, the insurance admin fees, etc etc. And if I get them to work on the car, staying over night somewhere whilst they work/order parts etc.
Presumably there are reasons for nationwide warranties and this is seemingly a prime example. I like the car a lot and would rather try and keep it. I have contacts within law so if I really wanted ''a fight'' I have people to help, but frankly I cannot be bothered unless the costs to me are looking over a few hundred quid and i end up stuck in limbo!
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Whilst I appreciate the input I find it hard to believe that this is true in full, you're basically saying that warranties arent applicable. Why would people buy/receive warranties if everyone and anything can be returned within 6 months?
I don't want a fight with the garage, its more hassle than its worth if I have reason to claim, however I am of course looking to clarify things first in case this is my only option...at the moment I still see this as the final option. ''Messing about'' driving 130 miles and back (i say and back, if i reject the car i will be stranded unless i take back my px!), the credit card fees, the toll fees, the petrol costs, the insurance admin fees, etc etc. And if I get them to work on the car, staying over night somewhere whilst they work/order parts etc.
Presumably there are reasons for nationwide warranties and this is seemingly a prime example. I like the car a lot and would rather try and keep it. I have contacts within law so if I really wanted ''a fight'' I have people to help, but frankly I cannot be bothered unless the costs to me are looking over a few hundred quid and i end up stuck in limbo!
Go. Learn your legal rights. The Consumer Rights Act. Google will direct you to any number of helpful websites. Which, Trading standards departments, this website has a whole section on consumer rights, etc.
As to the issues when you've bought a car 130 miles away ... well, sorry, but tough. You chose to do so. Nobody forced you to buy a car so far away (unless you live in the Scottish Highlands). It is your responsibility to get it back to them for fixing.
As you've already found, aftermarket warranties don't cover things like DPFs. That's where the CRA gives you protection.
I'll put it this way : the garage appear to have no desire to comply with their obligations and your rights in the law. So you can either suck it up and pay the bill for diagnostics and a new DPF / whatever might be needed, or you can 'get involved in a fight' with them.
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Whilst I appreciate the input I find it hard to believe that this is true
Try doing some on-line research before saying valuable advice given by a regular poster is not correct.
Here is a link to the Which page
www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/consume...t
It clearly says "If you discover the fault within the first six months after buying the product, it is presumed to have been there since the time of purchase - unless the retailer can prove otherwise." it goes on to say "If an attempt at repair or replacement has failed, you have the right to reject the goods for a full refund or price reduction - if you wish to keep the product."
By all means keep the car if you want but don't expect any repair to the DPF to cost "a few hundred quid"
So read the full article and post your decision. There is no point posters trying to help you if you simply want to believe it will cost nothing to fix and all will be OK.
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Thanks guys.
I will use this to go back in this case, will highlight that the DPF/wiring is not covered and therefore they need to rectify themselves-black and white no questions.
I wasn't shooting down your advice by the way (i do not frequent HJ enough to know what a reliable poster looks like :) ) its just nobody has actually answered my question re warranties - as this is the route I've spent time going down it made sense to pursue.
For future reference a warranty isn't worth the paper its written on then? The CRA would supersede most terms offered anyway?
Thanks guys!
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Dealers sell warranties to negate the risk to themselves of future comeback. They can direct you to the warranty firm to fight with them. Although on older higher mileage motors they're rarely worth the paper they're printed on they are usable products on newer cars of under say 5yrs old but largely they cover the dealer not you since consumer rights law is now so much tougher. Effectively any major fault that happens within 6mths would be covered under current rules but this is complicated by the fact that age, mileage and price are factors that would be taken into account by a court. Buying a 6mth warranty in almost any situation is an utter waste of money but it does make life easier on younger cars with decent warranties as you don't have to threaten and more often than not take legal action against the dealer which will be a stressful fight. This is why so many home traders are hiding behind the guise of a private punter to avoid these rules. But realistic expectations must be made when buying an older motor. It's always a risk and to limit that risk you should buy the least complex car possible.
Edited by SLO76 on 02/06/2017 at 12:24
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