|
Thanks for taking the time out to reply .
He said that he has just spent £200 on the electronic parking break ( was an advisory on the MOT ) and a £100 on the break pads .
Just checked the MOT history for the last 4 years and it seems that he did around 15k a year with the only advisories being due to tyre wear .
He said he would put it through another MOT and cover any advisories if needed .
I only mentioned to him that I was looking for car while I was in his shop that and he said his was for sale ( he is moving to Spain in Feb ) .
So is £2800 too much for a car of this age from a private seller?
I did look out for the 1.9 TDI PD engines are the same across the board ( Audi - Skoda - Golf etc ) . I really need an mid to large size estate .
|
It's not overpriced for one of these and there's good reason for the sale plus it's had money spent on that parking brake already. You will be almost guaranteed to have DPF issues with one of these but they're usefully big inside, drive well, will hit 50mpg and are easy to sell on in estate form.
Ask him how long he's owned it and when the timing belt was last changed, this will reveal a lot about how well the car has been maintained. Out of curiosity what kind of shop does he own?
Edited by SLO76 on 14/12/2016 at 19:21
|
|
He has owned the car for just under a year and it was bought off his Nephew who had owned it from new I think.
He was retired but around a year ago started working twice a week in an antique shop so needed a larger car to help them out but it did not work out so is off to Spain .
He was going to drive the car to Spain but said he would have to change the headlamps etc if he is living out there .
I was really hoping that the car was not fitted with DPF as it was a 2007 1.9 model , that's the deal breaker really as I have heard / read some horror stories .
The insurance is similar to what I am paying now which I think it due to being a lower S Spec.
s
|
Good news! Turns out the DPF was an option on early 1.9's between 06-08 so it might not have one. The way to spot it without digging around looking for it is by the emissions. 154g/km at it's got a DPF, 153g/km and it hasn't. Ask to see the V5, it'll list it there.
As for the price, well seems a fair number of similar motors at dealers around that price so the value in a riskier private sale I'd say is £2,000-£2200 assuming it's in good order and has a full history but still needs a t/belt and water pump, a bit more if it's recently been done.
The long previous ownership then sale to a family member suggests it's been a good car. Buy only if there's a full service record with proof of annual oil changes (an absolute must on any turbocharged car) and if there's no DPF. Otherwise they're robust and long lasting but remember it's a ten year old car with six figure mileage so expect running maintenance.
|
|
Remember my Golf had a dashboard symbol of an exhaust filter to signify it had a Dpf. Will this and other cars have this indicator lamp SLO?
|
|
I'd imagine some would but many cars have a graphical display (like our CRV) instead of traditional warning lamps so it'll not be visible unless there's a fault. Not sure about the Passat.
|
|
Just an update the seller would only come down £200 to £2600 due to the money he has spent in the last 6 months ( breaks and handbrake button ) .
He also said has been qouted around £2000 by webuyanycar . So I guess will have to keep looking .
|
The £2000 price he was quoted would be before he's taken the car to be assessed, they'd then mark it down for every scuff and chip. He'd get nowhere near £2k from webuyanycar, more like £1200-£1500.
Did you check if it's got a DPF? Did you view it? Was the car in good condition and had a full stamped up history? When was the t/belt last done? Also, did you not previously say your budget was up to £3,000?
Edited by SLO76 on 16/12/2016 at 20:53
|
|
The car has a book trade price of about £2000. It would therefore probably cost you £2400 with fees bought unseen at an auction.
£2500 isn't a bad price privately if it is in good condition with some history.
Check it isn't a "BXE" engine code as VAG had a series of 1.9TD engine failures with that code type around then.
|
"Check it isn't a "BXE" engine code as VAG had a series of 1.9TD engine failures with that code type around then."
Wasn't aware of this. What causes the failure? Don't want to be stung by one.
|
I too was surprised to learn from a customer of my son that he had a con rod through the side of his Passat 1.9 Tdi estate of this era.
He decided to have the engine replaced as his son got it fixed at trade price. £3500
Bewildered by what I thought was the best engine VW has made I asked again for him to check it wasn't a 2.0 Tdi which has these known problems with the oil pump shaft shearing and he confirmed it was in fact a 1.9 Tdi of the 2007 era.
Can someone explain what went wrong around this era e.g was it as a result of fitting a Dpf to an engine not designed to take one?
|
|
Another thread where you have to pick and choose which year model engine or batch of engine of VW product to avoid, and we won't even mention VW gearboxes were are told to avoid like the plague.
I know other makes have problems but why do VW feature so often, are their products more unreliable than other makers, or do they try to avoid admitting when they've got it wrong, is it just the sheer volume of their sales when all VW badges are combined so it seems worse than everyone else, what is going on?
I offer for example Mazda as a comparison, ok all of us here probably know to avoid a Mazda Diesel like the plague, (though this wasn't always the case), and we know they can rot badly if neglected, but thats it, no gearbox woes, no electrical nightmares, their petrol cars are assumed to be top class buys.
We know to be wary of certain Toyota Diesels, though they did up the warranty on freely admitted known problem engines to 100+k miles and 7 years, and we know to avoid MMT box like the plague (any automated manual box in any make of car come to that), but again thats it.
BMW timing chains anyone, exacerbated by stupid service intervals designed to please the fleet/lease market, and early turbo failures on earlier models, same cause, but again thats it.
Similarly we know that Fiat Diesels as fitted to many others can be a problem, and the sensible avoid PSA's 1.6 Diesel of Doom whatever make it may be fitted to, but it won't be a case of picking certain engine codes, or avoiding any engine made between 0630 and 2015 on 23rd August 2009, we know to avoid the lot.
How have VW made so many different engines, of which certain codes we are told to avoid, why when they are discovered the things were ticking bombs did they not recall, fit new ones that were ok, and keep their reputation intact, which is in tatters on so many forums once the now comparatively short makers warranty has expired.
Edited by gordonbennet on 17/12/2016 at 10:22
|
|
There are quite a few reports on the forums about the BXE conrod weakness but it's difficult to understand what the actual frequency of failure really is, as well as what the root cause is. There are tens or hundreds of thousands of these on the road, so in reality from what I can deduce the % defective is very low- that could still mean hundreds of failures. There's a VW expert called Crasher who runs his own VAG indie business and used to post on here- his opinion is it's a very low incidence. I'm interested in this as I have an Octavia with this engine, so have researched. Various theories abound about a lower quality conrod, cost-cutting, method of manufacture, but there isn't one definitive answer. Some of the failures appear to be indirect as a result of low engine oil, oil pump failure or similar. The failure has sort of become VAG folklore on the forums, ie the BXE is a ticking timebomb etc. I think the reality is that a very low % have indeed lost a rod, and that anecdotally more BXEs lose a rod than other 1.9 PDs. In summary I'm not too worried, I recently drove it through Germany at high speed and it didn't blow up, at 81000 the engine seems to be the best part of the car, the rest of which is showing the usual list of VAG built in problems.
|
When I visited a well respected Local German Car Specialist I was surprised to see a line of BMW 5 and 3 series cars in lovely condition but not for sale. I found out that they all had timing chain failures on the 2 litre engine and were awaiting replacement engines which are in short supply.
So this failure along with the VW 2.0 Tdi oil pump and Mazda diesel problems seem far more evident than the VW BWX?
|
|
You'd think with the Germanic way of thinking, that quality control would be top notch, and they wouldn't make these mistakes. But maybe they know that their UK customers will buy their cars whatever and pay for design failures so they don't have to up their game to compete.
I like the comfort of VAG cars, they're quiet and refined, but it got on my nerves when you'd fine damp carpets or some display or an electric window would stop working. They seem to have a lot of sensor faults too. I found that dampers would be past their best quite quickly. Yes parts are widely available but you'll need them.
1.4TSi seems a good engine, I wonder how it will take high mileage.
I wouldn't personally go for a B6 Passat with that ridiculously unreliable electronic handbrake, I would really object to blowing large amounts of money on a device that just stops the car moving.
The OP should give himself half an hour or more to read the 'Good and Bad' list on the HJ review. If that doesn't put anyone off I don't know what will!
|
|
I like the comfort of VAG cars, they're quiet and refined, but it got on my nerves when you'd fine damp carpets or some display or an electric window would stop working. They seem to have a lot of sensor faults too. I found that dampers would be past their best quite quickly. Yes parts are widely available but you'll need them.
This is so true, I've yet to own a VAG car that didn't leak rain water. IMO they are nice cars if one isn't paying or it's a lease car and changed before the warranty runs out. They are not robust enough for the long run. Personally wouldn't touch an unknown 2007 vintage VW!
|
I've yet to own a VAG car that didn't leak rain water.
We have owned a total of 5 VAG cars since 1986. Two were owned for almost 7 years and during that time one did 113,000. None of the 5 cars have leaked rainwater and 4 of the cars have had sun roofs. All have been reliable and the bodies have stood the test of time well.
Said this before but I bought one Golf in 1989. Did 113,000 miles in it in just under 7 years. Earlier this year we were sat in Tesco's cafe and when I looked out of the window I was stunned to see that Golf parked just outside. I waited around and eventually had a chat with the current owner. The car was almost 27 years old at the time, done just over 200,000 miles and in reasonable condition. He was planning full rebuild later this year, will be off the road now if his plan has come together.
This is why I am replacing my current VAG car (a Leon 1.4 TSi) with another vAG car (a Superb 1.4 TSi).
I for one will not fall for the nonsense often posted on this forum about Japanese cars being better. I will certainly not fall for the nonsense about Japanese manufacturers still repairing cars FOC even after the warranty has expired that some posters insist is fact.
Just visit the brand forums, there are just as many unhappy owners on there as you will find on forums for European brands.
|
|
We have owned a total of 5 VAG cars since 1986. Two were owned for almost 7 years and during that time one did 113,000. None of the 5 cars have leaked rainwater and 4 of the cars have had sun roofs. All have been reliable and the bodies have stood the test of time well..................
Skidpan, all I can think is you've been very lucky! Our 1988 Golf leaked like a sieve, all 4 doors were constantly wet, carpets soaking. Otherwise it was a good car. My father's Mk 3 Golf also leaked badly. My Mk 1 Octavia leaked through the doors and my current Mk2 recently filled its boot with water! But I would say that all mine have been older than (I think yours bar your early Golf) - having said that our other non VAG cars ( Nissan, Vauxhall, Ford, Renault, Toyota, Fiat) did not leak or have not yet. One may ask rightly why I continue to buy them, it's because I liked them for practicality and driveability, particularly the 1.9 Tdi. They also have typically nice interiors and feel good factor. But having also owned so many different marques, I've realised that there are others that are equal or better, in different ways, perhaps lacking in the perceived build that VAGs excel at for sure. I haven't tried the 1.4tsi, which I'm sure is great to drive, but I don't trust its robustness within the 5 to 10 year age range I typically run things.
|
|
Just a quick update .
Had a call from a friend who knows the seller and it seems he was not telling the whole truth on why he was selling .
The car has been up for sale for the last 3 months but he has not been able to sell privately or to dealers due to it having issues.
His " nephew " sold him the car cheap as it had problems including the break , the handbreak and god knows what else .
Lucky escape really , I should have known as when I went to view yesterday he said he forgot the V5 and was sure it was chain driven not a belt .
Thanks for everyones help as it has saved me alot of trouble and money .
Will keep looking , maybe better to buy it from a dealer so I have some sort of backup .
|
Lucky escape really , I should have known as when I went to view yesterday he said he forgot the V5 and was sure it was chain driven not a belt .
Glad that it turned out that way, you really didn't need the hassle, and I could think of better Christmas presents!
|
"Lucky escape really , I should have known as when I went to view yesterday he said he forgot the V5 and was sure it was chain driven not a belt."
Yep, lucky escape. I'll hazard a bet that it's years overdue a belt change, he's certainly not done it and that parking brake has been botched cheaply to sell the thing.
These are the joys of hunting for a cheap motor. It's a gamble but the feeling of smug satisfaction that comes from finding a genuinely good cheap motor and beating the system, missing out on monthly payments and dodging big depreciation is immense.
|
Mixed bag from me. I've only really owned two VW's though I've bought and sold hundreds with few problems. They're good stock from my perspective but the short timing belt interval is a cost I've got to factor into almost every bid as they're almost always well overdue.
Not sure why VW Believe their belts and tensioners are so inferior to rivals that they require changing usually at half the age, it certainly doesn't inspire confidence but I'd rather not take chances with my reputation so if it needs it it gets it.
Of the two I personally owned one was a nearly new Caddy SDi Van that was brilliant, great on fuel, comfortable and fault free except for a juddering clutch which VW replaced FOC at 20,000 miles and within a couple of months of its warranty expiring, good service I thought. It was flawless thereafter and still serves its high mileage current owner well.
The other is the Polo 1.2 TDi we currently run as a commuter. Great wee engine and drives very well but nowhere near as good on fuel as it should be and the rear brakes are an ongoing problem. Recent new cylinders and now a few months later the handbrake isn't releasing properly. The drivers seatbelt also failed but was replaced FOC again but over a year out of warranty which is pretty decent of VW.
|
I for one will not fall for the nonsense often posted on this forum about Japanese cars being better. I will certainly not fall for the nonsense about Japanese manufacturers still repairing cars FOC even after the warranty has expired that some posters insist is fact.
Nonsense ... ?
I've previously owned 2 VWs (both of which leaked when it rained); also 2 Citroen 2CVs (!), 2 Fiats, 3 Renaults, 1 Peugeot, 1 Volvo, 2 Mazdas, 3 Saabs, 5 Toyotas, 1 Honda … and even a Ford and couple of Vauxhalls, and a few other cars that were so trouble-free and unremarkable that I’ve long forgotten them, all as a private buyer / owner.
None required as much maintenance / repairs as the two VWs … and none were as reliable and trouble-free as my Toyotas & Honda … if only everything in life was as reliable as a Volkswagen!
|
|
I have only owned one VAG car - a 1999 Audi A4 1.9TDI with FASH from a main dealer with 12 months warranty and 65,000 miles.
In that 12 months it had:
two new front suspension uprights due to worn and seized suspension bushes, a new ac condenser, a new catalyst and a new cambelt tensioner -all under warranty The battery failed after 13 months of ownership
It was the second worst car I had ever driven. (the accolade for worst went to a company Rover 800 Mark2).
I have never owned another VAG car..
Hirstory includes 1 Mercedes, 2 x BMW, 1 x Jaguar, 1 x Volvo , several Rovers (company cars) two Rileys, A GTM, one Lotus, etc..
Edited by madf on 17/12/2016 at 19:49
|
I have only owned one VAG car - a 1999 Audi A4 1.9TDI with FASH from a main dealer with 12 months warranty and 65,000 miles.
In that 12 months it had:
two new front suspension uprights due to worn and seized suspension bushes, a new ac condenser, a new catalyst and a new cambelt tensioner -all under warranty The battery failed after 13 months of ownership
It was the second worst car I had ever driven. (the accolade for worst went to a company Rover 800 Mark2).
I have never owned another VAG car..
Hirstory includes 1 Mercedes, 2 x BMW, 1 x Jaguar, 1 x Volvo , several Rovers (company cars) two Rileys, A GTM, one Lotus, etc..
I owned a VAG 2003 Skoda Superb I 1.9pd100 for 10 years /170k miles until last year - Still had original battery, exhaust & clutch - Brilliant car
Edited by Big John on 17/12/2016 at 20:01
|
|
