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Nissan leaf range anxiety - Oli rag

Noticed that you can get a fairly new low mileage leaf for £7 to £8k. My commute is only 16 miles a day and other than that I tend to walk everywhere.

Reading owners reviews, the average range to empty is around 80 miles which would do me fine most of the time, however I do a few long journeys each year of over 200 miles each way.

The thought of having to plan these trips to include several stops to charge would put me off. Also battery life and their replacement cost is something else else which needs to be included in the overall cost of running.

How much range would you want from an electric car before it would suit your lifestyle?

Nissan leaf range anxiety - RobJP

That's the problem. For me, 95% of the time a car that would do 100 miles (in winter, with heater running, etc, not in some theoretical lab conditions) would be perfectly sufficient. The other 5% of the time I need a car that can do several hundred miles a day.

For example ... a few weeks ago I had to go to Aberdeen from North Wales for work. Left home at 7am. First break in the lakes for 30 minutes. Second break just by Perth for an hour. Arrived in Aberdeen at about 4pm. Worked until 8pm. Up the following morning, finished the job by 10am, back in the car, drove back with a couple of breaks, got home at 7pm.

The day an electric car will allow me to do that, I'll be buying one. Until then, it's diesel for me. I started out with a full tank, and filled up just south of Glasgow on the way back, 550 miles (the car had about 60 miles left to empty).

Nissan leaf range anxiety - Ian_SW

If you only do journeys over 50 miles on a very occasional basis, why not just hire a conventional for those trips and have an electric car for the rest? This wouldn't work if everyone did it as the economics of hire car companies mean they need a good market for the 'nearly new' cars after they've finished with them, but at the moment may make economic sense for some people.

However, it takes an awful lot of 50 mile journeys to make any useful savings. Average mileage is 12000 per year, which costs about £1200 in fuel. Of that 12000 miles, probably only 7000 was journeys less than 50 miles, so about £700 in fuel. To do a full charge of an electric car costs about £3 on conventional electricity rates, and to do 7000 electric miles would take about 100 charges, or £300. So, even just looking at fuel costs, you'd only save about £200 per year.

You could argue that for people doing a lower total number of miles it makes more sense, but then the average daily journeys become so short (7000 miles pa is 20 miles per day) you may as well not own a car at all and use a push bike or bus.

Personally, I'm unlikely to fit the category for an electric car any time soon, I do about 20000 miles a year, almost exclusively on journeys of more than 150 miles. On the other days, my car goes nowhere and any 1-3 mile trips I do locally is done on my push bike.

Nissan leaf range anxiety - daveyjp

The time when they become useable is when they do 300 miles and can be charged in 15 minutes.

A Tesla will do circa 250 miles but even a high capacity charger will take a few hours to recharge the batteries.

Nissan leaf range anxiety - Avant

Agree with the above. Clearly depreciation is also a factor: your £7k to £8k values are confirmed by the What Car tables where a Leaf is worth between 17 and 20 per cent of cost after 3 years.

That's partly, though not entirely, due to EVs costing more to buy in the first place. The extreme case is the VW e-up which costs £25,000, more than twice the price of a normal petrol Up. It might be called e-up, but no Yorkshireman would pay that price.

Hybrids seem to be much better: the figure for the Prius is about 50 %.

Nissan leaf range anxiety - Gibbo_Wirral

If you buy a new Leaf (or maybe even a second hand one or ex demo) from a Nissan dealer, there's an arrangement where they lend you a "proper" car for occasional long journeys, such as holidays.

My ex's mum bought one in 2014 and she got three free uses of a standard petrol or diesel Juke per year.

Edited by Gibbo_Wirral on 14/09/2016 at 14:13

Nissan leaf range anxiety - Gibbo_Wirral

From Nissan's website:

USE OF PETROL OR DIESEL CAR

YOU want to make extra-long journeys in your car.

NISSAN PROMISE to lend you a petrol or diesel car, free of charge, for up to 14 days during the first three years of ownership. All you pay is the insurance.

www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf/custom...l

Nissan leaf range anxiety - Warning

In London, drivers don't have to pay congestion charge (£10), if they happen to have an electric car. Many more City centres will be looking at similar schemes to reduce pollution.

I recall Councils have a duty to provide electric charging points.

Battery chems, are getting better all the time. Once they fix the energy storage issue, I suspect it may be the end of the combustion engine.

If someone has a solar panels, they get their energy for free.

Nissan leaf range anxiety - Bolt

In London, drivers don't have to pay congestion charge (£10), if they happen to have an electric car. Many more City centres will be looking at similar schemes to reduce pollution.

I recall Councils have a duty to provide electric charging points.

Battery chems, are getting better all the time. Once they fix the energy storage issue, I suspect it may be the end of the combustion engine.

If someone has a solar panels, they get their energy for free.

LCC is £11.50 now, but the free for all electric cars may be changing soon,rumour has it Hybrids may also be charged....

Nissan leaf range anxiety - mss1tw
They should really decide whether it's a congestion tax or a pollution tax.

Teslas and Priuses don't disappear in traffic, although the battery life will if you want to stay warm on a cold day.
Nissan leaf range anxiety - Bolt
They should really decide whether it's a congestion tax or a pollution tax. Teslas and Priuses don't disappear in traffic, although the battery life will if you want to stay warm on a cold day.

As far as I`m concerned its a tax, as it has done nothing to reduce pollution as was hoped for, in fact latest report shows it has increased which was expected.

Mayor also wants to extend congestion charge as did the last idiot

Nissan leaf range anxiety - Oli rag

Quite a few of the nissan leaf are advertised as having a leased battery. Looking at the cost of this, you can pay anything from £70 a month upwards depending on the mileage and lease length.This is around the same as I spend on fuel per month at the moment.

The expected battery life is around 8 to 10 years according to the experts, then the cost of a new pack is around £5k. I know that charging at home is very cheap, but cost of a fast charge can be as much as £6 a time, unless I was to drive in London regularly, I'm not sure where the savings come from compared to a normal car.

Nissan leaf range anxiety - gordonbennet

I'd be more concerned about charging facilities, including at home as demand grows and the govt of the day realises it has gained fantastic stealth power over the public.

Its bad enough at the petrol pumps at busy times, when the average car is there for 5 mins or less, i suspect charging several million leccy cars daily in journeys will be a fraught experience, wonder how the MSA's will cope with their 2 to 4 charging points occupied for an hour or more on a Friday afternoon heading away from the cities.

Nissan leaf range anxiety - craig-pd130

I'd be more concerned about charging facilities, including at home as demand grows and the govt of the day realises it has gained fantastic stealth power over the public.

Its bad enough at the petrol pumps at busy times, when the average car is there for 5 mins or less, i suspect charging several million leccy cars daily in journeys will be a fraught experience, wonder how the MSA's will cope with their 2 to 4 charging points occupied for an hour or more on a Friday afternoon heading away from the cities.

Exactly this. I have posted before about seeing a Tesla having to queue for one of the three charging points at the Northbound Warwick Services on the M40. Occupying the 3 charging bays were a Prius plug-in, a BMW i3 (both plugged in) and ... a normal non-plugin Prius. Presumably the driver of the latter thought it was a special 'hybrid parking' zone :-)

When I left 20 minutes later after having a coffee, the Tesla was STILL queuing with the driver at the wheel.

This highlighted to me the uselessness of an electric vehicle that has no range extender option, no matter what guff Elon Musk spouts about building charging infrastructures etc.

Nissan leaf range anxiety - Bolt

Maybe the large Supermarkets could be persuaded to install charging points in parking spaces, it could increase custom while they wait, there are enough about and spend enough in store to get electric free(assuming its not already)

Nissan leaf range anxiety - Gibbo_Wirral

Maybe the large Supermarkets could be persuaded to install charging points in parking spaces, it could increase custom while they wait, there are enough about and spend enough in store to get electric free(assuming its not already)

I think this is the case now with new supermarkets. I've seen two new ones built, with three charging bays. I've never seem them occupied though.

Nissan leaf range anxiety - madf

I'd be more concerned about charging facilities, including at home as demand grows and the govt of the day realises it has gained fantastic stealth power over the public.

Its bad enough at the petrol pumps at busy times, when the average car is there for 5 mins or less, i suspect charging several million leccy cars daily in journeys will be a fraught experience, wonder how the MSA's will cope with their 2 to 4 charging points occupied for an hour or more on a Friday afternoon heading away from the cities.

If electric cars become common place, teh electricity distribution system will be incapable of dealing with the load of lots of cars tring to recharge all at once..Subststions and wiring will have to be upgraded. Then the generating stations will have limited capcity at peak times.

There will be effectivley rationing at times unless £billions of investment.

Nissan leaf range anxiety - Bolt

I'd be more concerned about charging facilities, including at home as demand grows and the govt of the day realises it has gained fantastic stealth power over the public.

Its bad enough at the petrol pumps at busy times, when the average car is there for 5 mins or less, i suspect charging several million leccy cars daily in journeys will be a fraught experience, wonder how the MSA's will cope with their 2 to 4 charging points occupied for an hour or more on a Friday afternoon heading away from the cities.

If electric cars become common place, teh electricity distribution system will be incapable of dealing with the load of lots of cars tring to recharge all at once..Subststions and wiring will have to be upgraded. Then the generating stations will have limited capcity at peak times.

There will be effectivley rationing at times unless £billions of investment.

I agree, so we need more nuclear power stations, even to persuade people to buy electric untill someone comes up with a quick way to charge these cars.

though I still cannot imagine charging stations outside peoples houses (excluding those with driveways and garages that is) maybe built into lamp posts eh

Nissan leaf range anxiety - Warning

They should really decide whether it's a congestion tax or a pollution tax.

They seem to be going for BOTH, currently London has the Congestion Zone, but electric cars and low emmions cars dont' pay to enter the city centre.

But they also want to introduce the Low Emmision Zone, which will apply to not only City Centre, but also extend to the North & South Circular (there was a consultation, so I don't know what was decided). But

tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/low-emission-zone

What is the ULEZ?

From September 2020, all cars, motorcycles, vans, minibuses, buses, coaches and heavy goods vehicles (HGVs) will need to meet exhaust emission standards (ULEZ standards), or pay a daily charge, when travelling in central London.

The ULEZ standards are in addition to any Congestion Charge or Low Emission Zone (LEZ) charges already applied. The area covered by the ULEZ is the same as the current Congestion Charge Zone (CCZ). It will operate 24 hours a day, every day of the year, including weekends and public holidays.

The ULEZ will cover the same area as the Congestion Charge zone, which is identifiable by road signs showing where it applies. There will be no barriers or toll booths. Cameras will read vehicle number plates as they are driven within the zone to check against our database.*

Source:

tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone#o...4

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Nissan leaf range anxiety - NARU

My local Nissan dealer rang me up to offer me a 24 hour test drive. He was raving about the new model and its increased range (155 miles?)

I said it would be prefect to test my commute to/from work, which is about 100 miles.

Mysteriously, the offer somehow vanished.

Nissan leaf range anxiety - focussed

Here in France the government is really bigging electric cars up big time- they started with free charging points in all towns - that has now backtracked to a small charge of €1.50 or so for 1.5 hours connection to a charging point.

From what I can see on the road, there are very few if any elecric cars about, and of the widely publicised charging points I have yet to see a car connected to one.

The supermarket car parks in a biggish town however, are full of Audi's Merc's and BMW's.

Nissan leaf range anxiety - brum

Electric charging stations at motorway services no longer free. £5 for 20 min charge - equivalent to only £2 of petrol.

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-3678631/E...l

Whats the attraction?

Edited by brum on 16/09/2016 at 19:59

Nissan leaf range anxiety - gordonbennet

It's blindingly obvious, once people have jumped on an apparently mega cheap transport bandwagon, encouraged by govt, that the govt of the day and their local authority chums will seek to replace the revenue lost from fuel tax, road tax, vat, congestion charges and any other ways they can dream up to extract most of the money the public have left after general taxation.

They have form for this, promoting Diesels only to turn the hymnsheet over to page 666, Diesel Is Bad.

Surely no one in their right mind believed that electric for charging private cars and their costs of ownership would stay almost free for long, or that Dick Turpin wouldn't be plundering their wallets, just like everyone else without the benefit of offshore accounts (now who do we know who recently jacked their non job in) or superb accountants like some coffee houses.