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Toyota Prius - Used car advice - Buddy Garrity
Hi all

I am hoping that you might be able to give me some advice choosing a car.

I have never owned my own car before despite having held a license for over 15 years. I am about to take the plunge and enter the used car market for the first time and I'm finding it difficult to know what the right choice (if there is such a thing) is.

I have a budget of around £4000 which I'll be borrowing from a family member and paying off over about 3-4 years. I want to get a car which will last for that amount of time and hopefully longer. I will be buying a car and driving it until it's last breath. I am drawn to toyotas because of their reputation for longevity and reliability. I also want good fuel economy.

I will be driving a 100 mile round trip commute 3 times a week on mostly motorways and A roads but with some inevitable London congestion. Other times I'll be doing a mixture of city driving as well as some longer motorway journeys around the country. I expect to be doing between 15 and 20 thousand miles a year.

Looking at what my money might buy, I could get say a 5 year old Yaris with maybe 50000 miles on it or so, relatively economical, not too aged, but maybe not so great for motorways. Diesel version might be a year or two older for the money.

I could get an 8 year old Prius with around 80000 miles, from what I've read they seem to go on forever and due to the way they are built wear and tear is minimal. Not the ideal motorway car but a bit more comfortable than the Yaris, and still good city mpg.

I could also get an Avensis of similar age, more comfortable for the long miles, but worse mpg, probably too big for my needs.

The Prius is looking like a good compromise. I have to admit being drawn to the techy aspect of driving a hybrid, I like gadgets :). I am a little scared of buying a car that old though, when i could get something more recent for the same money. But the idea of doing all those miles in such a small car is a little depressing.

So, I've gone on far too long, if you have made it this far you deserve a medal, please help me!

Thanks in advance.
Toyota Prius - Used car advice - gordonbennet

As you have no capital to buy this car you need as reliable as you can get, any nasty serious bills are going to be a problem i would think.

Certainly the Yaris is one i would consider, also Corallo and Auris, but would be prepared to look at virtually anything, preferably Japanese or Korean for reliability.

Sometimes those handy with the spanners can keep european cars going very cheaply, due to the availability of aftermarket parts and of course breakers yards, but i doubt you are a mechanic so you want something that is more likely to run and run with just good simple servicing.

I would only have a Diesel (of any make) without a DPF because even if your driving keeps the thing happy it will be getting past its sell by date anyway, major headaches.

Prius has earned itself a reputation for reliable and durable, but at 8 years if the one you buy does have a hybrid battery or inverter or other serious problem then it could easily present you with a 4 figure bill, that 4 figure refurb might give it another 8 years of dependable use, but if you haven't got that 4 figures handy then it's a gamble to be wary of taking.

Whatever car you buy it will need regular good maintenance, at your proposed annual mileage thats going to be twice a year for just the basic servicing plus any repairs on top, if you want a car to last then give modern euro makers amusing 20k servicing a good ignoring...you won't find Toyota advising 20k service intervals for very good reasons.

In my experience as a vehicle ages the very last thing you need is techy stuff, you want a more basic model with the minimum amount you can live with to go wrong, if its fitted it can go wrong, if it aint fitted it can't, the beauty of this is that more basic models go cheaply because most used buyers want all the bells and whistles.

Oh and whatever you do, do not be tempted by any automated manual gearboxes, such as MMT in Yaris/Auris, no car maker has made a durable automated manual or twin clutch (such as DSG) gearbox yet, and in cars at least they don't need to because increasing numbers of new car buyers get rid when warranty expires...the almost guaranteed failure of an automated manual or DSG box could present you with a bill of up to the cars purchase cost again...even Toyota couldn't get these things to work and apart from in current Aygo (i believe) they have been discarded completely, and good riddance.

There i've waffled on far too long as usual...is anyone still awake.

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - John Boy
There i've waffled on far too long as usual...is anyone still awake.

I am. Good advice is rarely short and flippant.

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - twitcherman

My Prius experience FWIW:

Bought late 2013 at almost 7yrs/70k. Now just gone through 98k.

In that time I've needed (apart from servicing & tyres):

New 12v battery (£100)

All 4 brake discs & one caliper

Exhaust back box

One new road spring

- totalling less than £1000, which I don't feel is too bad for the age & mileage. I haven't found the car seriously deficient anywhere, but I'm not a racer. It will happily hold 80mph on the motorway all day with cruise set, and the seats are very comfortable long-distance. Load capacity is good and the turning circle is very tight which is an advantage in town. It returns a true 51mpg in mixed use, better in summer, worse in winter.

Major hybrid drivetrain issues are rare in the UK, more common in the US (they don't like prolonged use at high ambient temperatures). Nevertheless, if the vehicle has a full service history, with the annual hybrid healthcheck, then Toyota warrants the hybrid drivetrain to 10 years.

Your budget however places you at the bottom end of the Prius market, and you may be better off with the Yaris, if you can manage with the smaller car.

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - Auristocrat

If the car has a non-Toyota service history, the hybrid health check can be done by a Toyota dealer separately to a service at a cost of £39. This provides a one year warranty extension on the battery, and the hybrid health check can be done up to the car reaching ten years of age.

If the final hybrid health check is done just before the car's 10th birthday, the battery warranty can be extended up to 11 years.

www.toyota.co.uk/caring-for-your-toyota/warranty/t...n

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - Ian_SW

The Prius is very popular with minicab drivers, which is usually a good sign for reliability.

Unfortunately, this also means there is high demand for secondhand versions so the prices are high for what you get. It was the same with Skoda Octavia a few years back, when new or nearly new was a good buy, but at 5 years old very overpriced for what you got.

If you fancy a hybrid, it may be worth looking at Honda's offering as well. Their hybrid car from that era (think it was called Civic Hybrid but not also possibly an Insight) was quite a bit smaller and probably not big enough to br used as a minicab.

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - RobJP

You could do a hell of a lot worse than buying a Yaris / Auris / Prius. All of them are highly rated for reliability long-term.

Of course, buying any 8-ish year old car is always a bit of a gamble. But if you go for something like that, and find one with a very good service history, then you've certainly stacked the deck in your favour.

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - FP

Just to add - my understanding is that the Prius main battery can be repaired if individual cells fail, at a much reduced cost compared with buying a new battery. At least, this is what my trusted indy tells me and he is running a fairly elderly Prius himself.

Whether Toyota main dealers are also doing this I have no idea, but if the OP is worried about the potential issue, the cost to remedy it might not be too bad.

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - twitcherman

Toyota main dealers would replace the whole traction battery.

Individual cell replacement can be done, but there's a major faff involved in rebalancing the whole battery afterwards, using hobby chargers. Many threads about this on the (mainly US) Prius forums.

The problem is, you end up playing "whack-a-mole" with duff cells as more of them fail, repeating the whole process every couple of months, which is only OK if you can do without the car for a minimum 3 days every time.

Again, the failure rate in the UK is very low; most seem to occur in hot climates (eg Arizona) and/or if the battery cooling system (intake vent at the right side of rear seat) has been obstructed.

The "hybrid health check" should pick up potential issues like this in advance, as the diagnostic software interrogates the battery cell pairs.

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - Avant

I agree that you've started off with the right idea. I'd suggest a combination of Japanese make and petrol power. A Toyota Auris is not too big but should be comfortable on long runs: the same goes for a Honda Civic, provided you can live with the very poor rear visibility. Be sure to get one with a genuine service history.

A Prius is a nice idea but for the reasons given above you'll get an older one for your budget, which means a greater risk of expensive repairs.

Finally if you can't find a Toyota or Honda to suit you, bear in mind that there are lots of Ford Focuses around to choose from, and a properly maintained one of these could do you very well.

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - Auristocrat

Within the past year there was a member of the owner's club who had the hybrid battery replaced at a Toyota main dealer for around £700 - the replacement costs have come down significantly.

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - Metropolis.

Why not the Auris?

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - masiv

Here's a good buy. Toyota Yaris T Spirit, so top spec, only 4 years old, with 5 months/5000 miles of Toyota Warranty left and full Toyota service history. £4,195. So could easily get it for £4000 if not a bit under. I'm a 6'1 16 stone rugby flanker and have owned 2 Yaris and find them fine for space. This is the 1.3 as well, which will be fine on the motorway. The 1.0 is fine in town, but no good for the motorway.

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20160727623...1

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - puckdrop

Hi, I have a 2007 Prius.

I bought it in 2011 with 93,000 miles on the clock.

It's now got 215,000 miles on the clock.

I've done nothing exceptional to it except routine repairs - the service schedule has gone out of the window - I tend to do oil and air filters. I haven't changed the fuel filter or plugs since I got it ( for example ).

1 x 12v Battery - a common problem. Very small battery so doesn't like interior lights being left on overnight regularly for example. It doesn't have to start the engine, just throw a relay for the main battery - but if it can't do this then you're stuck.

1 x rear spring ( obviously replaced both )

1 x front wheel bearing.

1 x set of front discs and pads - seem to last 60,000+

2 x full set of tyres.

1 x water pump and coolant - did this DIY (all others garage) - a common problem the pump bearing goes and starts to weap. I actually ran it for over 50,000 miles as the weap had sealed up.

I do a lot of miles, MPG varies between 50 and 70 depending on time of year (temperature), how you drive it, and traffic.

I'm 6ft 5. 20st and I find it really spacious and comfortable - best car I've had.

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - yokel38

The Prius is ludicrously reliable, the hybrid batteries in reality go on forever, you can still warranty the hybrid systems for up to 10 years at your local Toyota dealer by having a Hybrid health check carried out, it's free when done with a service. You wont go far wrong with the Yaris either, but if it was me, I'd have the Prius, but I would make sure it has full dealer history, with correct oils etc. I work at the sharp end of a Toyota dealer for nearly 30 years, and in my opinion nothing in that time has come close to the utter reliability of any Toyota hybrids.

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - SLO76
When shopping on a tight budget always remember three words... keep it simple.

Although the Prius has a good reputation it is a complex and thus costly car to fix when it does go wrong. The battery pack is based on the same technology as the batteries in your laptop or phone and as we all know from experience these lose capacity over time and this will reduce fuel efficiency and they could land you a catastrophic bill if they fail completely. They also use a complex CVT drivetrain that while rarely goes wrong it is a hugely costly thing to fix if it does. It's a great car if you're spending £10k upwards but not a wise option here.

I'd forget any modern diesels at this money, certainly anything fitted with a DPF and concentrate on petrol powered superminis such as the Toyota Yaris, Honda Jazz, Mazda 2, VW Polo, Ford Fiesta or from the class up Auris, Civic, Astra, Focus. Petrol models are all largely vice free assuming they have been maintained correctly and all will give years of service if you buy wisely and look after it.

Buy based on condition, history and mileage before the particular model and walk away from anything that hasn't got a full service record, with oil and filter EVERY year. It's worth paying extra for.

Edited by SLO76 on 22/09/2016 at 16:44

Toyota Prius - Used car advice - madf

"<i>The battery pack is based on the same technology as the batteries in your laptop or phone and as we all know from experience these lose capacity over time and this will reduce fuel efficiency and they could land you a catastrophic bill if they fail completely"</i>

Well yes: anything can fail catastrophically on any car. Especially if you have to buy a new engine..

But in reality battery failures in entirelty are very rare. Battery packs usually fail due to a few cells which can be cheaply rpelaced by specialists. And if your car is elderly, there are always second hand spares (which is what you would do if the engine failed on a 6 year old car)..

I agree on modern diesels. When a new DPF id c £1500 and last 3 years...!!