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1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Minor Mad

Can I fit electronic ignition to my 1953 Morris Minor with a 918CC Side Valve and motor and positive earth?

Steve T.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - elekie&a/c doctor
IT can be done,but would be much easier if the car were negative earth.
1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - RT
IT can be done,but would be much easier if the car were negative earth.

Didn't that used to easy to change over - it's before my time but I recall it seemed to be as simple as changing the battery terminals over and re-magnetising the starter motor.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - bathtub tom

At that age I'd suspect it's 6V electrics. Could be difficult sourcing a suitable kit.

Have you tried a classic car club, I expect others have done it?

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - jc2

At that age I'd suspect it's 6V electrics. Could be difficult sourcing a suitable kit.

Have you tried a classic car club, I expect others have done it?

They were 12v-I had one and would suggest Lumenition.Cheaper kits that retain points are not worth it.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Railroad.
IT can be done,but would be much easier if the car were negative earth.

Didn't that used to easy to change over - it's before my time but I recall it seemed to be as simple as changing the battery terminals over and re-magnetising the starter motor.

Close. You change over the battery terminals and the ignition coil terminals, and re-polarise the dynamo. Do this by flashing a wire from battery + to the F terminal a few times.
1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Wolfan
IT can be done,but would be much easier if the car were negative earth.

Didn't that used to easy to change over - it's before my time but I recall it seemed to be as simple as changing the battery terminals over and re-magnetising the starter motor.

RT, I suspect a senior moment here or as you said before your time, it happens to the best of us, re-polarise the dynamo not the starter motor. To the OP stick with points and condenser, carry a spare one of each plus a spare rotor arm a set of feeler gauges and a screwdriver, more effort but you will never be stranded if you break down.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - RT
IT can be done,but would be much easier if the car were negative earth.

Didn't that used to easy to change over - it's before my time but I recall it seemed to be as simple as changing the battery terminals over and re-magnetising the starter motor.

RT, I suspect a senior moment here or as you said before your time, it happens to the best of us, re-polarise the dynamo not the starter motor. To the OP stick with points and condenser, carry a spare one of each plus a spare rotor arm a set of feeler gauges and a screwdriver, more effort but you will never be stranded if you break down.

I hadn't even gone up to "big school" when I heard it being talked about - so I probably never knew the detail. I "helped" my father rebuild an old outboard motor at around the age of 7, been a petrol-head ever since.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Wolfan

I hadn't even gone up to "big school" when I heard it being talked about - so I probably never knew the detail. I "helped" my father rebuild an old outboard motor at around the age of 7, been a petrol-head ever since.

Ooops, sorry RT.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Vitesse6

I fitted a kit from Simonbbc to my Triumph and it was a vast improvement over points and condensor. Starting was better, as was the power. It was £25 well spent.

The whole kit fitted inside the distributor and required no other mods so it would be easy to re-fit points if needed.

Their website

www.simonbbc.com/electronic-ignitions/search-by-di...l

has lots of info including how to switch from positive to negative earth

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Wackyracer

A friend had something like that Vitesse6, he asked me about fitting it to his bond bug.

I used Lumenition Optronic when I had classic cars, it was great. Thesedays all my friends with classics are using either Megaspark or the 123 distributors.

Edited by Wackyracer on 14/05/2016 at 13:42

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Wolfan

What benefit will the small increase in power that will be achieved by fitting electronic ignition (which will make no disernable difference in performance to a 1953 Morris Minor) compared to the simplicity of the original set-up that should a problem occur can be quickly sorted out by the driver at the roadside?

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - RT

Fitting electronic ignition on old contact-breaker systems wasn't designed to increase power - designed to give consistent spark and maintain original output - and avoid frequent replacement/adjustment.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Wolfan

Fitting electronic ignition on old contact-breaker systems wasn't designed to increase power - designed to give consistent spark and maintain original output - and avoid frequent replacement/adjustment.

Yes but what happens when they give up? and they do. A modern piece of kit that's unnessessary on elderly cars. A previous poster mentioned an increase in power noticed in his Vitesse a much later car and it was to him this part of my comment was directed.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Vitesse6

The unit I fitted in the Vitesse gave me no trouble in several years. If it had failed I could have just taken it out and refitted a set of points. When I put it in I didn't even have to adjust the timing. Points and condensor out, fit electronic unit, rotor arm and cap back on and the engine started and ran really well.

Also points and condensors fail or drift out of spec and need adjusting/cleaning.

The power wasn't so much increased, but was much smoother with none of the hesitation I was experiencing with the points.

I disagree it is unnecessary kit on an old car, it is simply a better way of making a spark.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Wolfan

The unit I fitted in the Vitesse gave me no trouble in several years. If it had failed I could have just taken it out and refitted a set of points. When I put it in I didn't even have to adjust the timing. Points and condensor out, fit electronic unit, rotor arm and cap back on and the engine started and ran really well.

Also points and condensors fail or drift out of spec and need adjusting/cleaning.

The power wasn't so much increased, but was much smoother with none of the hesitation I was experiencing with the points.

I disagree it is unnecessary kit on an old car, it is simply a better way of making a spark.

That's fine, each to their own.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Railroad.
The real big advantage with electronic ignition is that many systems have variable dwell. Points and condenser systems have fixed dwell which means the coil on/off time is constant. This is exactly what you don't want, because as the engine speed increases the amount of time the magnetic field in the ignition coil takes to build up gets less in relation to engine speed. Fixed dwell points and condenser systems also use a coil with higher resistance primary windings compared to that used in electronic systems. That's why electronic systems give a bigger fatter spark especially at high engine speeds.

Most systems are very reliable and of course are maintenance free. The only reason for not changing is whether you can justify the cost as some systems are quite expensive.
1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - focussed

Can I fit electronic ignition to my 1953 Morris Minor with a 918CC Side Valve and motor and positive earth?

Steve T.

Yes you can fit the standard Lumention optical system which can be wired for positive earth.

See here:www.holden.co.uk/displayproduct.asp?pCode=030.250#...o

Best to fit the Lumention coil as well.

I don't know if there is a fitting kit for the Lucas distributor on that car which I remember well as my Dad had one for years - it is possible to make up adapter plates to suit etc.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - jc2

I've fitted Lumenition to a number of vehicles and have been pleased with reults.Never fitted a special coil.One vehicle already had low voltage(8V) coil fitted-others had std.12v coil.A Lucas distributor should be relatively std. conversion.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - RT

Many Fords had a 6v coil and a ballast resistor - during starting full 12v is applied to the coil for extra spark voltage and then switched throught the ballast for normall running to prevent burning the coil out.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - jc2

Many Fords had a 6v coil and a ballast resistor - during starting full 12v is applied to the coil for extra spark voltage and then switched throught the ballast for normall running to prevent burning the coil out.

8v. actually.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - RT

Many Fords had a 6v coil and a ballast resistor - during starting full 12v is applied to the coil for extra spark voltage and then switched throught the ballast for normall running to prevent burning the coil out.

8v. actually.

Well, they routinely got replaced with 6v ballasted coils when they did fail!

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Railroad.
Standard 12v ignition coils have primary windings resistance of about 3 ohms. Any less and the points would get hot due to the current flowing across them. Electronic ignition coil primary resistance is much lower at less than 1 ohm as the switching is done by transistors rather than by a mechanical contact breaker. This means the coil can switch much faster, and essentially the magnetic field builds up and collapses faster. That's the real advantage of electronic ignition.

It would be completely pointless to fit a 12v ballast coil to an vehicle fitted with electronic ignition.
1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Railroad.
Oops, no pun intended in my last sentence.
1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Wolfan

Where does it end ? Fiat twin cam lump, 5 speed box, disc brakes? It's a 63 year old Morris Minor with a pre-war designed Series E engine and box, one of the easiest cars to maintain in good running order, I really do despair.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - RT
Standard 12v ignition coils have primary windings resistance of about 3 ohms. Any less and the points would get hot due to the current flowing across them. Electronic ignition coil primary resistance is much lower at less than 1 ohm as the switching is done by transistors rather than by a mechanical contact breaker. This means the coil can switch much faster, and essentially the magnetic field builds up and collapses faster. That's the real advantage of electronic ignition. It would be completely pointless to fit a 12v ballast coil to an vehicle fitted with electronic ignition.

Why? We're talking here about conversion kits, not modern coil-pack types.

1953 Morris Minor - Electronic Ignition - Railroad.
I'm not talking about modern coil pack types. Remember cars in the 1980s and 90s? Most had an electronic ignition system which was either inductive pulse or Hall effect. The coil used in those systems differed from a standard coil only by the number of turns in the primary windings, and consequently the resistance. There were three types.

12v standard - 3 ohms
12v ballast - 1.2 ohms
12v electronic - <1 ohm

All three looked the similar, but they were not the same. Round or square. Oil filled or dry. All ignition coils are step-up transformers and all work the same way.

I reiterate. If you are going to fit an electronic ignition system, especially one that has variable dwell, then you would benefit also by replacing the coil for one designed for electronic ignition.