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1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Indigo5

I have a Peugeot 405 that's running a little hot, the heating has never worked. on Monday I noticed it was running at 110'c. I then ordered a thermostat and heater matrix. Flushed the system and fitted the new thermostat which made no difference.

Wednesday night I painstakingly replaced the matrix! Once that was done I got heat inside the car for the first time! The temp issue improved but is still not ideal, it takes longer to get hot but now sits at 104'C!

The strange thing is the whole system is stable at these high Temps and never goes higher then 112, (108 now the matrix has been changed) guess it all flows better now.

Tonight I will try properly bleeding the system useing a cut in half water bottle on the rad. Maybe there is a air lock.

The car has 65'000 miles on the clock and had a timing belt kit about 5000 miles ago.

I was thinking it might be a issue with the fans, one might be seized (it has two) or maybe they are not kicking into full speed.

The radiator does not bleed either and one of the fluid releace bits is bunged up it had a new rad about 10 years ago but that's old now...

Im not very expereiced with cars, but I do the basics (disc brakes, full service and simple issues) but this seems a bit much! Doing the heater matrix was a challenge! I can't really afford to go to a garage all the time and pay someone to change bits all the time so I want to fix this before it gets worse or summer comes around.

If anyone can help I would seriosly appreate it! =) help me keep a otherwise perfect low mileage car on the road!

Thanks for reading!

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Railroad.

The purpose of the cooling system is to absorb excess engine heat, which is then dissipated into the air via the radiator. In fact that's the wrong word for it because heat isn't radiated at all. It's convected.

Bleeding the cooling system is straightforward. Do not run the engine whilst your doing it. Remove the highest component on the cylinder head such as the coolant temperature sensor, and fill the system until coolant comes out. If possible hold the expansion bottle as high as you can whilst filling. Air cannot get trapped because the flow and weight of the coolant will force it out. The reason for this doing this is because when the engine is cold the thermostat is closed, and the cooling system is effectivly divided into two parts. With the system closed air in the block will have no means of escape, and so that's why you have to remove the highest component. Refit the component when the cooling system is full.

The water pump is a centrifugal pump which aids circulation. Coolant is drawn into the centre and thrown outwards, hence the term centrifugal. Such type pumps will not draw air and push it out, and so running the engine will not achieve anything. The pump needs to be completely submerged in order to function correctly.

Make sure the cooling system is clean and clear, and that the radiator is clear. Use an airline and blow through the fins to make sure they're also clear. If the radiator is blocked it will not dissipate heat. If you have air conditioning make sure the condenser is also clear. Dust and dirt in the fins will restrict airflow and seriously affect heat dissipation. If the radiator is cold to the touch when the engine is fully warmed up then you have a problem, and the fan won't cool the engine if there's no heat in the radiator to draw away.

Start the engine once you have filled the cooling system and allow to warm up. Cooling system pressure and temperature are directly proportional to each other. The pressure in the cooling system should increase with the temperature. When the thermostat opens the pressure will fall slightly as heat is given off in the radiator. The pressure will then continue to rise as the temperature rises, until the fan cuts in and heat is drawn away. The pressure will then fall as the engine cools, and this process is ongoing.

Hope it helps.

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Wackyracer

I would strongly recommend using a cooling system cleaner/descaler.

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Peter.N.

If you still have the original radiator it could well be furred up, if that is the problem the temp should be OK when driving gently with a good airflow through the rad but will get hot if you push it hard.

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Railroad.

If you still have the original radiator it could well be furred up, if that is the problem the temp should be OK when driving gently with a good airflow through the rad but will get hot if you push it hard.

Absolutely right, and I forgot to mention that the radiator is essentially a heat exchanger, and the copper fins must also be in good condition. If they're corroded heat will not easily conduct onto them from the galleries. And if they're missing then you definitely need a new radiator.

So the radiator must be clear for coolant to flow through without restriction, and the fins must be in good condition to allow heat transfer.

Edited by Railroad. on 12/11/2015 at 14:00

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Indigo5

Allot of feedback so far! Thanks for explanations railroad! This car has no expansion tank it's just on the side if the radiator. The radiator is 10 years old and might be clogged but seems to be warm, I have flushed it with quick flush but it did not get all the corrosion out.

Would it be OK to remove the radiator take a hose and try to back wash everything through the radiator and block? Then fill with fresh coolent?

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Railroad.

It will do no harm to try, but the problem is you'll never know if some of the galleries are blocked, since the coolant will still flow through those that are clear. You could have the radiator flow tested, but if you're going to do that you may just as well get a new one, since it's likely you'll need one anyway.

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Indigo5

I should just order a new radiator then! It just seems so stable at 105'c I just thought it would over heat, what your saying is the rad might be half blocked at work at 40% effiency

Does the fact that changing the blocked heater matrix improve it slightly prove anything?

Thanks for the feedback railroad!

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Railroad.

Yes it does. The heater matrix is another heat exchanger. In fact it's a small version of the main radiator. The only difference is the heat that's drawn off is directed into the car for comfort, rather than dissipated into the outside air.

If the heater matrix was blocked then it's entirely feasible that the radiator also is.

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Indigo5

Thanks for the help! I have ordered a radiator however it will take a week to come (all the motor stores don't have them. Is it worth flushing it out now to try and keep it cool till I get the part.

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Wackyracer

I have used citric acid crystals to descale radiators with good success. Disolve them in hot water and pour in the radiator, leave in the radiator for an hour or more. Then flush the rad well, afterwards in both directions.

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Indigo5

I think I have solved it for good! The rad was hot and not cooling anything so I was confused but then I relised the cooling fans where not working at all, I pulled the bumper off and found some relays and bridged them working out what each does.

With the fans on 100% I went for a drive the car now sticks around 100 c. But when I got back the rad was cold and the pipes where all hot! The heat was getting to the rad but not the temp sensor for the fans, as soon as the fans kick into action (I shorted them on) they cool the whole rad down. But there was no flow to disapate the heat...

So hopefully a new radiator (and possibly a new temp sensor for the fans) will solve this issue

For now I will run it with the fans shorted on and the grill removed so it stays at its slightly lower temp.

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Peter.N.

Well that's progress although the fans will not make much difference a speed only in slow traffic. 100C still sounds high, I wonder if the gauge sender is faulty.

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Indigo5

Needs it's new rad, we will see when I put that in! Will post again then.

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - jc2

Try Serck or similar-many firms offer exchange rads.

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Indigo5

I have already ordered it, thanks anyway, tried bleeding the system today. I'm sure there is no air in it now but no change.

The clog must be right at the beginning, strange as it just happened over night.

1995 Peugeot 405 1.8 petrol Manuel. - Car running hot - Indigo5

Took the old rad out and washed it out pushing gunk out with a dips tick, properly drained the system and put it all together and it runs cool now (not put the thermostat back in yet but it's nice and cool). Only issue is now everything is flowing how to should it's showing signs of a failed head gasket... It's one thing after another with this car.