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Any - Road surface and consumption - Andrew-T

Does anyone know of any evidence that different surfaces (e.g.tarmac or concrete) affect fuel consumption? The level of road noise certainly varies, suggesting that at least some energy is lost as sound. That might suggest that the recent 'quiet' tarmac could improve consumption marginally.

Any - Road surface and consumption - Bolt

Does anyone know of any evidence that different surfaces (e.g.tarmac or concrete) affect fuel consumption? The level of road noise certainly varies, suggesting that at least some energy is lost as sound. That might suggest that the recent 'quiet' tarmac could improve consumption marginally.

Not personally, but would think it would due to the amount of difference in how much the tyre sticks to the surface of the road

which is why tyres were/are designed/made not to stick to the surface as much, which also reduces noise

I think as with fuel consumption, their must be a point where grip is compromised apart from making cars more aerodynamic to push the car to the road to compensate for loss of grip

Any - Road surface and consumption - brum

In my opinion, the dutch are world leaders in road technology. Some of the newly refirbished motorways, eg E30 are super quiet, and if you pop the clutch, you roll for what seems like miles.

The arguement Ive heard a local highway engineer uses is the UK climate requires stone laden surfaces for when its icy, but holland does experience colder winters

Imo its down to uk engineer mentality, stick with old proven and out of date techniques.

Any - Road surface and consumption - John F

Interesting question.

www.ajer.org/papers/v3(7)/R037141148.pdf

P4 of this might shed some light. I was surprised to see asphalt and concrete virtually the same (true 'tarmac' is apparently obsolete now). There is a particularly noisy stretch of concrete on the new 4 lane M25 east of the M1 which is absolutely dreadful - the contractor's CEO should be made to sleep for a few days within 100yds of it.

Any - Road surface and consumption - galileo

Interesting question.

www.ajer.org/papers/v3(7)/R037141148.pdf

P4 of this might shed some light. I was surprised to see asphalt and concrete virtually the same (true 'tarmac' is apparently obsolete now). There is a particularly noisy stretch of concrete on the new 4 lane M25 east of the M1 which is absolutely dreadful - the contractor's CEO should be made to sleep for a few days within 100yds of it.

The link doesn't seem to work: however, from my "Motor truck engineering handbook" i can list the following figure for rolling resistance of various surfaces - these are in pounds force per 1000Lb of vehicle weight.

Good concrete 15, good asphalt 12, good macadam 15, cobbles 55, 2" snow 25, 4"snow 37,level sand 60 to 150.

Poorer quality surfaces quoted as plus 5lb over the 'good' above.

Any - Road surface and consumption - NorthernBoy

I think that the UK roads in general effect the fuel consumption. the condiditon seems to be getting worse and worse. Need to bring in 'real road conditions' fuel testing.

www.jenningsmotorgroup.co.uk/blog/quality-of-uk-ro.../

Any - Road surface and consumption - nortones2

Driving in Germany (VW Golf), I noticed the urban and suburban roads were much quieter smoother, almost polished, but they also felt less grippy. An engineer for a County Council with a lot of Mways here mentioned that they aim for a level of grip, requiring a certain rugosity/surface roughness, in the road topping. Apparently they had a piece of kit which would measure whether the surface was worn.

Any - Road surface and consumption - kiss (keep it simple)

Rain appears to make the biggest difference in my experience. Pushing through all that standing water takes a lot of energy. Maybe the courser surfaces are better because the tyres are riding above the water on the "peaks" as it were.

Any - Road surface and consumption - corax

The roads in the Scottish Highlands are quiet, yet grippy, but maybe they afford to engineer them properly because they don't have the heavy traffic hence wear further south.

Those chippings that they throw on a previously quiet road are annoying. I can feel the extra drag and the noise is horrendous. But it's cheap, and thats what counts.

I'd rather have a slightly less grippy but quiet road.

Any - Road surface and consumption - Andrew-T

The roads in the Scottish Highlands are quiet, yet grippy, but maybe they afford to engineer them properly because they don't have the heavy traffic hence wear further south.

Of course heavy traffic will tend to smooth out the surface, as well as giving it a thin coating of tyre rubber. Some continental road surfaces become quite polished - noticeable after dark.

Any - Road surface and consumption - gordonbennet

Concrete roads are usually noisy, A50 out near Uttoxeter was dreadful, wet worn concrete like an ice rink in the wet, noise doesn't necessarily equal grip.

Any - Road surface and consumption - galileo

Concrete roads are usually noisy, A50 out near Uttoxeter was dreadful, wet worn concrete like an ice rink in the wet, noise doesn't necessarily equal grip.

One of my business trips to the USA years ago, I drove 250 miles down I95 from North Carolina to Charleston, quite a lot of the way the joints between the concrete slabs making up the surface gave a thump every few yards, I have heard that tyre sidewalls (and suspensions) in traditional US cars were made soft to cushion this efffect as it was common on Interstates.

Blacktop coatings are more common nowadays, thankfully.

Any - Road surface and consumption - Bolt

<Blacktop coatings are more common nowadays, thankfully>

When they are in one piece, I notice when certain roads are potholed badly, they seem to get left while almost perfectly good roads get resurfaced with tarmac (whatever it is) which appears to cause more drag on tyres, odd, imo

Maybe they want us to use more fuel, certainly seems that way

Any - Road surface and consumption - Smileyman

M6 beyond Birmingham too (ie coming from London) .. few years since I have been this way so perhaps it's changed by now?