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Oil Changes - Ben 10
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Oil Changes - alan1302

Could see this taking off with manufactuerers.

Oil Changes - RobJP

Hmm .. a quote ...

"Along with the oil, the pod contains electronics that monitor flow, usage and quality. For example, it delivers less oil when the engine is cold, to ensure optimum performance and lower emissions. "

So, additional costs (undoubtedly) for the electonics and monitoring hardware/software. Less oil when the engine is cold to help with emissions - but certainly not to help with engine longevity, as that's when engines need max lubrication.

In addition to which, the 'pod' seems to be at the top of the engine, meaning that all the crud is left at the bottom.

Of course, all this assumes we won't be driving around in electric cars with 2,000 miles recharge intervals, doesn't it.

Oil Changes - leef

Cracking idea! I can see that taking off big time.

Oil Changes - Engineer Andy

Cracking idea! I can see that taking off big time.

I wouldn't be so sure - its essentially a big inkjet cartridge with oil in it. How often do people have problems with ink cartridges on printers, whether they are well used (like those at work) or not (like mine at home). Never work properly, you always have to fiddle with them and they leak.

Oil Changes - Ben 10
Did you watch the video. It's been developed over years and put in a top marque car. They wouldn't entertain rubbish if it didn't work properly.
Oil Changes - nortones2

It's a neat idea: a dry sump with monitors! But not new, apart from the electronics:)

Oil Changes - Bolt

It's a neat idea: a dry sump with monitors! But not new, apart from the electronics:)

I like the way they say mechanics can get on with the real servicing, personally I think its a bad idea and agree with Robjp

Edited by bolt on 16/10/2015 at 19:53

Oil Changes - Wackyracer
Did you watch the video. It's been developed over years and put in a top marque car. They wouldn't entertain rubbish if it didn't work properly.

The top marque is probably either being paid for using it or having it provided to them for free.

Oil Changes - alan1302
Did you watch the video. It's been developed over years and put in a top marque car. They wouldn't entertain rubbish if it didn't work properly.

The top marque is probably either being paid for using it or having it provided to them for free.

They certainly will be - can't see many manufactuerers paying to trial new item like this.

Oil Changes - Engineer Andy
Did you watch the video. It's been developed over years and put in a top marque car. They wouldn't entertain rubbish if it didn't work properly.

Forgive me, but which car came out bottom (or very near) on the reliability stakes - oh yes, Bentley, followed by a whole raft of so-called 'top-marque' (mainly European) manufacturers. Please don't confuse the plushness of a car's interior, exterior looks or amount of gizmos with engineering quality - they are two completely different things and should not be confused.

I'm not saying this system developed won't work, but that don't just trust one opinion for system developed for effectively a racing car (note Nexcel are "tight-lipped" about who they are talking to about bringing the equipement to the mass-market [which could indicate no-one outside of AM and maybe one or two other specialist marques are interested]) where changing parts and consumables quickly is the name of the game, and not something that will be doing 10,000 miles p.a. (without an engine rebuild or serious time in the garage) on crappy UK roads in all weathers.

Oil Changes - alan1302

Cracking idea! I can see that taking off big time.

I wouldn't be so sure - its essentially a big inkjet cartridge with oil in it. How often do people have problems with ink cartridges on printers, whether they are well used (like those at work) or not (like mine at home). Never work properly, you always have to fiddle with them and they leak.

Only had problems with 3rd party ones over the years. Although I don't think the anolgy is a particulary good one as ink printing and oil into an engine are pretty different.

Oil Changes - mss1tw

What happens if it needs a top up? Or will the standard acceptable oil use rate move up from whatever dubious figure most manufacturers state?

The reason most oil changes take so long is crap design. With a drive on ramp even I could do a 'proper' oil and filter change on my Berlingo in 5 minutes. (No dipstick tube suction here)

The longest part is emptying and cleaning the drain bowl afterwards

Edited by mss1tw on 17/10/2015 at 01:39

Oil Changes - diddy1234

Funny how my company done the consultancy work for Aston Martin and not a mention in the story.

I wasn't involved in the project myself but we had the car for three months, designed the system (that looks similar to the one shown in the video). And drove the car almost non stop for three months clocking up loads of miles.

Oil Changes - Wackyracer

What happens if it needs a top up? Or will the standard acceptable oil use rate move up from whatever dubious figure most manufacturers state?

That is something I'd like to know. I don't trust electronic oil level indicators, I've driven too many vehicles where it has gone wrong. Luckily they also had dispsticks so was easy to check that it was a faulty instrument rather than a real problem.

The video states that it can be done without the car being on a ramp but, I can't see the advantage as other parts of the service are going to require the car to be put on a ramp anyway.

I like the way the chap being questioned said it would cost no more than an oil change currently does, Now factor in reduced labour cost and it means this 'oil pod' is going to ccost more than a gallon of oil and a filter.

It reminds me of that dulux paintpod thing.

Oil Changes - diddy1234

I believe it has the full contents of the oil system for the duration until next service.

It replaces the sump under the engine and contains the filter too.

So the whole lot can be changed very quickly.

As for pumping the oil, I believe it's an electronic pump

Oil Changes - Pondlife

I wonder if it will have a chip to ensure you only use the recommended oil from the manufacturer's preferred oil partner?

Oil Changes - brum

It is an attempt to lock the owner into very, very expensive manufacturer only servicing., very much along the lines of ink printer cartridges, which as most should know the price the ink costs more than gold by weight. Plus the obvious benefits to the manufacturer of forcing users to change when the manufacturer says so. Unlike printer cartridges, there will be no alternative, no "compatible replacements", no refilling or resetting. Ecologically very dumb, financially disastrous and no real benefit to an owner. Garages fitting these will have to add £100 a pop to compensate for lost business, so no savings in labour.

If car manufacturers wanted, they could introduce oversized dry or combined wet/dry sumps, oversized main oil filters and superfine bypass filters, along with simple filter monitoring. Stick in twice the quantity of highest quality oil and along with the excellent oil quality sensors now available youcd be able to have many users go 50,000 miles/4 years or longer between oil changes.

Of course their servicing partners wouldnt be happy and it will never happen.

Edited by brum on 17/10/2015 at 14:18

Oil Changes - Ethan Edwards

It's just like an ink jet cartridge is it? In my opinion that's not a good thing. Ink jet cartridges are selling me very overpriced ink. I can print cheaper and more reliably with a laser printer.

Similarly popping down to H******** and buying a gallon of oil and a filter and putting up with a little mess and inconvenience is again likely to be saving me shed loads. So nice idea but for the well loaded only imo.

Oil Changes - alan1302

It's just like an ink jet cartridge is it? In my opinion that's not a good thing. Ink jet cartridges are selling me very overpriced ink. I can print cheaper and more reliably with a laser printer.

Similarly popping down to H******** and buying a gallon of oil and a filter and putting up with a little mess and inconvenience is again likely to be saving me shed loads. So nice idea but for the well loaded only imo.

No, it's nothing like an inket cartridge.

Oil Changes - Sofa Spud

I think it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

The casette system is hardly a hot selling point to owners who get their oil changed by a garage during regular servicing.

For those who like to change their own oil and filter, the task is fairly simple on most cars.

Add to that the significant number of people who have discovered that their old car soldiers on perfectly happily for years without changing the oil!

What happens to the old casettes? Would they be disposed of or cleaned and refilled for re-use by the manufacturer? At the moment an oil change results in waste oil which can be put into an old oil container kept from a previous oil change, plus an old filter to be discarded and a few dirty rags. Somewhat less than the waste of used casette. Also in the video the casette looks like it's made of carbon-fibre - I hope it's imitation c-f, or the casette would be very expensive!

Edited by Sofa Spud on 18/10/2015 at 17:38

Oil Changes - nortones2

Oil and container recyclable: www.pocket-lint.com/news/135547-castrol-nexcel-giv...n

Oil Changes - daveyjp

A more in depth piece:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34541834

Oil Changes - John F

I think it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

For those who like to change their own oil and filter, the task is fairly simple on most cars.

Add to that the significant number of people who have discovered that their old car soldiers on perfectly happily for years without changing the oil!

Spot on. My records show that since 1985 and 34,000m I have changed the oil and filter only seven times on my TR7 which stlll runs perfectly sweetly at 35yrs old, although admittedly it has only done 69,000m.

Oil Changes - brum

Please dont react to JohnF's standard statement. I dont think I could stand yet another thread on oil change frequency.

Oil Changes - John F

So you really think that an absurd twenty three extra oil changes would have made a significant difference to the condition of my engine?

Heigh ho.

Oil Changes - skidpan

My records show that since 1985 and 34,000m I have changed the oil and filter only seven times on my TR7

Since 1989 I have done approx 48,000 miles in my 2 Caterhams and have changed the oil and filter every year before I use the car after a winters layup.

Its costs me £20 for 5 litres of Ford spec fully synth (I use 4) and a filter is about £3.00 for a Mahle, basically £20 for each oil/filter change. Considering that my annual fuel, VED, tyre and insurance bill is about £600 and then there other maintenance items to carry out £20 is peanuts and it would be stupid to skimp considering how much engine work would cost.

But if people want to miss important maintenance its their car. Bet they would not come on here and come clean if things went badly wrong.

Just feel sorry for the people who buy such badly maintained cars when the owners sell up.

Oil Changes - brum

Here we go again, I think I'll go and walk the dog........

Oil Changes - Andrew-T

Here we go again, I think I'll go and walk the dog........

Better to ask Avant to add a link to the earlier thread, then close this one ....

Oil Changes - John F

Bet they would not come on here and come clean if things went badly wrong.

Just feel sorry for the people who buy such badly maintained cars when the owners sell up.

I will happily report any interesting failures. I am often complimented on how unusual it is to see a TR7 so well looked after that neither mechanicals nor body has been 'restored' during its 35yrs.

Nice to know I have saved myself nearly £500 and a considerable amount of time on unnecessary oil changes - the engine still uses hardly any oil between them. I have no intention of selling it, I have long since had my moneysworth and am keeping it out of interest to see how long it will last until something drastic goes wrong. And it's still fun! By all means close the thread, Avant.

Oil Changes - Avant

I'll give it another day to see if there are any new thoughts to come - otherwise I'll close it to avoid re-running an argument which I have to confess never had me gripped in the first place.