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Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - John F

Just over a year ago I bought what they said was the best battery in Halford's - a 100Ah Yuasa HSB019. After inadvertently flattening it a few weeks ago it has now twice failed to retain enough charge to start the engine. The 8 and 9 year old batteries in our other two cars have on occasion been similarly flattened and continue to be reliable.

Is there a known problem with this make?

When I return it to Halfords can I insist on a different make replacement?

I don't think the alternator is faulty as I measure 14v at idle and even charging with a modern (Halfords!) charger overnight is no good.

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - kiss (keep it simple)

Take it back to Halfords. Being flattened once and re-charged straight away shouldn't cripple it but it won't have done it any good. How long did it stay flat for? They will test it at some point to determine what killed it but doesn't it have a 3 or 4 year guarantee?

Edited by kiss (keep it simple) on 18/09/2015 at 10:02

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - steelghost

The plates will sulphate if the battery is left flat for any length of time - even a few days can significantly harm them. Some designs are more resistant to this than others, but this is a matter of degree.

As kiss asks, how long was it left flat for? How did you charge it thereafter - did you bring it back to full charge or just put enough into it to get the car started? If the latter, you may well have been driving around with a *nearly* flat battery, which is not quite as bad as leaving it flat, but is going to inflict further damage.

You mention other flat batteries - is there some set of circumstances which leads this to happen regularly?

Edited by steelghost on 18/09/2015 at 11:55

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - RT

Yuasa is generally regarded as a good brand, many will be adamant it's the best - unless Halfords give you a refund I doubt you'll find their other options as good.

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - Galaxy

I don't know why people buy batteries from Halfords; they're very expensive!

Edited by Galaxy on 18/09/2015 at 12:36

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - John F

As kiss asks, how long was it left flat for? How did you charge it thereafter - did you bring it back to full charge or just put enough into it to get the car started? If the latter, you may well have been driving around with a *nearly* flat battery, which is not quite as bad as leaving it flat, but is going to inflict further damage.

You mention other flat batteries - is there some set of circumstances which leads this to happen regularly?

I just jump-started it and assumed further driving (it has a hugely powerful 2.6Kw alternator) would charge it pretty smartish.

Not regularly; our ancient Focus battery (flattened for several days in an airport carpark after carelessly turning the lights off too far to the parking light position and not noticing!) is still fine, as is the TR7's which often doesn't turn a wheel for almost a month if the weather's bad - but I always disconnect it anyway.

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - elekie&a/c doctor
I suspect there may be nothing wrong with the battery.Modern batteries need a special smart charger to bring them back to life.This could take 2-3 days being on charge.Yuasa are a good brand and fitted to many makes as original equipment.

Edited by elekie&a/c doctor on 18/09/2015 at 12:59

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - steelghost

I'm intrigued - I know Lithium ion batteries in mobile phones etc have very sophisticated charging controllers, but I didn't know this also applied to lead acid automotive batteries?

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - steelghost

It depend then on what sort of driving you've been doing, what other electrical loads have been imposed on the battery (eg how many times the engine was started) etc etc as to whether the battery actually got a decent charge - but the fact that it failed suggests it may not have done. That 2.6Kw alternator doesn't just charge the battery - it also (potentially) has to power a lot of other electrical equipment!

Out of interest, what engine does your A8 have?

Note I'm not saying the battery was not faulty - only that the sort of incident / circumstances you describe has the potential to be very unkind to a battery, which can lead to its early demise.

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - gordonbennet

Yuasa are one of, if not the only, make to offer a full 5 year warranty on top range batteries.

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - RT

Yuasa are one of, if not the only, make to offer a full 5 year warranty on top range batteries.

Not the only - Bosch offer 5-year guarantee on S5 versions.

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - John F

Out of interest, what engine does your A8 have?

W12 (A rare SWB)

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - Wackyracer

I just jump-started it and assumed further driving (it has a hugely powerful 2.6Kw alternator) would charge it pretty smartish.

If only it was that simple we would all be driving long distances in electric vehicles.

There really is no instant battery charging, If your battery is flat your looking at a minimum of 10 hours charging using a smart charger of at least 7amp rating.

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - madf

A 100AH battery will take 4 hours running to fully recharge it by teh alternator - assuming no other electrical loads and full alternator charging.

In the real world, that is 8 hours continuous running..An A8 has an awful lot of current drawing equipment which is live ALL the time... Just starting once probably needs 10AH...

You need to fully charge it.. at least 12 hours overnight with a smart charger before you know if its dead.

I suspect you'e b####ed it due to running it with no charge for a long time.

(We have had two Yuasa batteries fitted as OEM - both died after 10 years usage..)

Edited by madf on 18/09/2015 at 20:47

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - John F

In the real world, that is 8 hours continuous running..An A8 has an awful lot of current drawing equipment which is live ALL the time... Just starting once probably needs 10AH...

You need to fully charge it.. at least 12 hours overnight with a smart charger before you know if its dead.

I suspect you'e b####ed it due to running it with no charge for a long time.

I suspect you are right. But it is a very clever car in that it shuts down unnecessary equipment if it detects battery weakness (how it does this is beyond my comprehension). However, it did get a 16hr overnight charge and a recent 50mile round trip, but doesn't seem to have made much difference. It now struggles to crank what is admittedly a lot of machinery - effectively two VR6s. I'll see what Halfords make of it next week.....

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - John F

I'll see what Halfords make of it next week.....

Exchanged without question - friendly and helpful as usual. Even fitted it for me. That's how to gain customer loyalty, methinks.

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - madf

Thanks for teh update. Glad it's fixed foc.

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - N Price

Bought a Yuasa battery for my Audi A8 4.2 (1999 D2) at Halford UK with lifetime guarantee, £179 in 2018. 18 months later, it started going flat. The car was used every other day for local use. I was on my way to North Wales and filled up 6 miles from house and paid for fuel and click. Battery flat!. Found a guy who let me use my jump leads and of I went.Over 400 miles driving over 3 days... 2days later flat.

Took it back to Halfords where the indicator showed that it was charged. Asked the young lady to start it up. Click. Flat...

This was in October 2019. The battery was replaced on the spot, but Halfords had stopped doing lifetime guarantees but pledged to continue their 'contract'.

Its now April 2021 and guess what? The battery is going flat after 2 days.

My local garage who used to sell Yuasa batteries has stopped selling them because of the same problems and with 2 jump starters could not turn the engine over.They had previosly checked that the alternator was OK and very kindly took the battery out and loaned me a vehicle to take the battery back to Halfords.

Its a good job that we couldnt take the car back to Halfords because I was told that they had to charge the battery overnight and I would have had to get a taxi to get home.

I am pretty sure that tomorrow they are going to say that there is not anything wrong with the battery.

I am not sure that my 1999 Audi A8 D2 4,2 is maybe not suitable for Yuasa batteries and my Vagcom diagnostics has not come up with any faults re draining the battery from the alarm system or anything else.

I am most definitely sure about a couple of things.

There is no way a Yuasa battery, brand new or otherwise will ever go in my beloved A8.

In July 2021 I will have had it since 14 years.

I wiil NEVER EVER spend money in Halfords again.

No dispespect to the poorly paid young people who work there

IE we all know they are not value for money, but open on sunday.

At the end of the day..

BEWARE.

[Edited to remove unverifiable implied bad business practices which are not relevant - Xileno, moderator]

Edited by Xileno on 17/04/2021 at 12:52

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - _

I had a problem with my Nextbase dashcam and the guy came and took a look in the car .

Repaced immediately with the 322, (I had a 312) just took the camera out of the box, fitted onto my mount in the car which was already hardwired in.

Any extra to pay?

No sir, camera under warranty. we don't sell that one anymore.

Nice people in that well known cycle and car accessory store.

ORB

Edited by _ORB_ on 17/04/2021 at 13:30

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - Big John

I though the Audi A8 was an early adopter of AGM batteries and a sophisticated charging setup. If a non AGM battery had been fitted then Houston.....

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - focussed

My two penn'orth on Yuasa batteries,

They used to be the gold standard for motorcycles, none better, never let you down etc. You are talking about a 12 or 15 AH battery swinging a 1300 cc high compression twin cylinder motorcycle motor over, so the battery has to be on top line.

I've had two genuine Yuasa batteries in the last five years that have let me down, fortunately before riding away from home base so didn't get stopped on the road.

And another supplied new with our 3kw electric start generator - it just died for no reason, wouldn't even make the solenoid click.

A possible clue is that Yuasa batteries used to be solely manufactured in Japan.

www.made-in-china.com/manufacturers/yuasa-battery....l

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - Big John

Oh dear, I've just had an EFB one fitted to my Superb!

Saying that we also had a Yuasa fitted to out Fiat Panda - 7 years ago and it's still going strong.

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - focussed

Oh dear, I've just had an EFB one fitted to my Superb!

Saying that we also had a Yuasa fitted to out Fiat Panda - 7 years ago and it's still going strong.

My impression from my experience is that Yuasa batteries are not as good as they were. Your Panda battery - 7 years ago - 2014? Probably a good'un!

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - edlithgow

Couple of posts insisting on a "smart" charger above, so, just in case anyone is unaware, many "smart" chargers won't recharge a flat battery. You either have to use a stupid (or at least stupider) charger, or you have to fool the smarts by hooking up to another 12V source (like another battery) in parallel, which you may not have.

My recently acquired cheapo Chinese charger with the Russian name seems less sensitive in this regard, and in pulse mode will attempt to recharge a breeze block, so it probably isn't very smart.

Stubborn though.

One of the take-home messages above might be "Don't buy a Yuasa battery". Another might be "Don't buy an Audi"

You pays yer money....

Edited by edlithgow on 19/04/2021 at 01:43

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - skidpan

Couple of posts insisting on a "smart" charger above, so, just in case anyone is unaware, many "smart" chargers won't recharge a flat battery.

My Smart charger has 2 switches to enable the user to tailor the rate of charge to their needs. On the "top" setting its 100% charge at max volts, ideal to get a totally flat battery up and running in the shortest time. On the lowest "smart" setting its 90% charge at about 13.8 volts, ideal for charging/maintaining sealed batteries over long periods of non-use.

I have rarely used mine on anything but the lowest setting and find that it keeps the Caterhams battery healthy enough considering the car is never used between November and April. The previous battery (Exide) lasted 7 years until like all recent batteries it was fine one day and totally US the next. The current battery is a Yuasa fitted 4 years ago. Still has 12 months warranty remaining so its fingers crossed.

But there is an issue with my battery charger. Since there are 4 setting available using the 2 switches you need to read the instructions and understand them to get the best charging rate to suit your needs and battery type. How many people actually read instructions?

Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - Steveieb
Interesting post on the HJ column in the Telegraph last Friday about a Mazda 3 owner doing an enormous amount of damage to the electronics by using an old fashioned battery charger. Something to do with a capacitor in circuit which can be easily damaged.

Can someone download the post please. My IT skills are still at o level standard
Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - Steveieb
Here is the post I mentioned.



I’m worried about my battery after six weeks of non-use. I used an old-fashioned charger on my 2016 Mazda3 and then, after months of perfect running, the car displayed a warning that the battery management system was giving problems. The engine stop/start function stopped working, too. The car is otherwise running well and I continue to use it. Do I need to have to change the battery (well over £200)? Can I safely continue, or might the electrics fail sooner or later? Is the defunct stop/start an MoT test failure point? MP

You don’t say if you disconnected the battery before charging it. If you did not, then, with this type of battery charger, you will have damaged the system, in particular the i-ELOOP capacitor that temporarily stores regenerated energy for the headlights etc. I think you need to get the car fixed. I have never heard of a failed stop/start system leading to an MoT failure and I can’t see how this could be tested in the limited time allowed for an MoT test.
Audi A8 - Yuasa battery - Presumed battery failure - best make? - John F

Interesting to see my old thread reappear. Update - the replacement Yuasa battery is still going strong (ish) after 5+ years - out of guarantee now. But it doesn't hold much juice - has let me down once requiring a jump start when I inadvertently left the ignition on for about three hours, and will only just start the car after two weeks non-use. I won't choose this make again - I cannot believe it is 100aH. I usually charge it for a few hours if not driven for a week or so.