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Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - RaineMan

I have just spent a lot of time and money doing a top end overhaul on my car. Although it is now back in daily use I need a few parts to finish things off. When I went to the main dealer (Vauxhall) they could not help and were fairly dismissive saying that they do not supply parts for models over ten years old. I then contacted Vauxhall who although polite came back with the same response. Having hit a similar problem some years ago with Ford I have decided that any car I buy from now on will be from a manufacturer who is committed to long term owners. So who are the manufacturers have a long term commitment to owners?

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - S40 Man

It's presumably not that you can't get the parts, just that you can't get then from the main dealer. For a 10 year old car most people will go to a motor factor or a scrappy or of eBay. If you can still get parts what's the problem?

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - skidpan

Morgan stock parts for cars many decades old.

But most small manufacturers rely on specific dealers to supply parts for older cars.

With the main stream manufacturers its down to finding a supplier who carries new old stock once a car is 10 years out of production.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - gordonbennet

Mercedes supply parts for cars for a long long time, my current MB is now 19 years old and the dealer will supply every part that i could want, some seriously cheap (new pre programmed plipper was £60 some 11 years ago) or seriously expensive, but you can get the parts.

Toyota have models that were made in the late 70's that are still current but in military guise, eg 70 series Landcruiser still made as troop carrier.

Mainstream vehicles from the usual makers are made cheaply with a limited life expectancy, if you want to keep older cars going you have to look at things laterallyand buy from makers who tend to not fix things wot aint broke in the first place.

Course whether you'll be allowed to keep driving them when the apparatchiks of the day flex their muscles is another question entirely.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - corax

Land Rover Defender - you could keep one going almost indefinately due to great parts supply, but you will probably need to buy lots of parts.

BMW's can be run surprisingly cheaply if you have a good specialist (there are plenty). Good parts supply even for some older models, and usually you can find what you need at a dismantlers being such popular cars. The engine, manual gearbox, propshaft and axle especially on bigger engine models are tough - just watch for rust on older models. Electrics are OK but not japanese reliable.

I found my Audi hard to run as an older car (expensive parts) - they just don't seem interested in their older models which is a shame considering their quattro history.

Toyota's seem to keep going even if neglected.

Despite all this, you could buy a Laguna that lasts years and buy a Toyota that ends up a total lemon if you're unlucky.

You just have to make a choice and cross your fingers.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - daveyK_UK

A toyota, lexus or Honda.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - Avant

Agree with DaveyK's list, plus Volvo, and as GB says, Mercedes.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - RaineMan

It's presumably not that you can't get the parts, just that you can't get then from the main dealer. For a 10 year old car most people will go to a motor factor or a scrappy or of eBay. If you can still get parts what's the problem?

I got most of the parts for the top end overhaul from local motor factors. However the parts I am stuck on are the top and bottom hose, and a header tank. I have contacted a number of motor factors and scrappers but with no joy. Whilst a s/h header tank would be acceptable I really would prefer new hoses. There are silicon options but they are very expensive!

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - Wackyracer

Kit car part suppliers do various shaped hoses which may be something like what you need.

Failing that you might be able to find NOS parts somewhere, What Vauxhall model and year is it?

Edited by Wackyracer on 04/09/2015 at 14:58

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - John F

So who are the manufacturers have a long term commitment to owners?

The simple answer is those who offer the longest warranty in years/mileage.

The practical answer is either a popular model that is likely to be in the breakers' yards for many years to come or a classic (usually some sort of sports car) that generates an owners club.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - NARU

I'm hoping that my two cars are a viable long-term proposition.

The first is a Toyota Landcruiser. Whilst not as popular as a Discovery, the engineering is simpler. Its now 8 years old, and I've just had a major service at a specialist including dinitrol, brake caliper rebuild etc.

The second is an MX-5. Only 4 years old at the moment. Given Maxda's ability to rust, I had this one waxoyled at 2 years old.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - diddy1234

Not sure if its true ( down the pub chat type of thing) but I heard there was an European ruling that motor manufacturer's have to supply parts for cars for 15 years after the last make and mode has come off the production lines.

Not sure how true it is though.

Edited by diddy1234 on 04/09/2015 at 08:38

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - RT

Not sure if its true ( down the pub chat type of thing) but I heard there was an European ruling that motor manufacturer's have to supply parts for cars for 15 years after the last make and mode has come off the production lines.

Not sure how true it is though.

AFAIK it's just a voluntary agreement to supply for 10 years.

Regardless of inherent design/build quality - the higher the sales volume when new, the better the chance of getting spares when they're older - easier for makers to justify keeping the tooling running, more chance of pattern parts being made and more availability in scrapyards

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - Leif

You could look at it another way, and find a car that is most likely to survive more than 10 years without major issues.

Somewhere online there is a graph showing the percentage of cars still on the road versus car age. From what I recall the worst were Italians makes such as Fiat. Ford were not brilliant. Japanese brands did well, as did VW. I can't recall where other German brands came.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - RT

You'd need to look at the reasons vehicles are scrapped - mundane cars are scrapped earlier because there's no passion in owning them so no longer any sale value - but they may be just the car to get as a keeper!

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - madf

WHat you do NOT want to choose is:

Any car which has a reputation for electrical issues - as you will inevitably keep encountering them unless you rebuild it totally (or are lucky).

And cars with a reputation for water leaks - as it often gives rise to electircal problems (see above).

Any car with VERY expensive key parts. See Lexus GS hybrid inverters £2=£3k plus require the services of a Lexus electrician to repair. (OK up to 10 years but at 20 years old?).

Any cars made by a volume car maker with limited production runs - as spares WILL be in short supply. See Citroen C6 eventually.

Cars which rust due to design problems - because they will keep on doing so...

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - Leif

Yes, you do. But if two cars are in a similar class and price bracket, then chances are one fell to pieces earlier. My Ford Ka was scrapped after 10 years due to unrepairable rust. My neighbours 12 year old Toyota doodah has almost no rust.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - gordonbennet

You'd need to look at the reasons vehicles are scrapped - mundane cars are scrapped earlier because there's no passion in owning them so no longer any sale value - but they may be just the car to get as a keeper!

You've put your finger on it, whilst people only view their car purely by how much it's worth on the open market, then increasing neglect builds up as the cost-to-be-worth-repairing diminishes to almost nothing.

I don't hold that view, how much any of my cars is worth (very little) is of no importance, age and image are equally of no importance, if the car is othewise good and has potentially some years left before major (read terminal) work is likely then it will get the necessary funds spent to keep it in good order, if it costs me £1000 to fix and prolong the life of one of my cars only worth that amount, so be it.

Not saying my philosophy is right, but it's right for me because i like 80/90's designs and have little interest in modern cars, eventually they'll try to force the older cars off the road, that's OK, when they do that i'll ditch the cars and they'll lose lots of ved insurance etc taxes.

Edited by gordonbennet on 04/09/2015 at 13:38

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - kiss (keep it simple)

Another approach is to buy a new model at the start of the production run. If it's a success then you are looking at about 5-7 years before it's replaced, possibly by a "facelift" with similar/identical mechanical parts. I tend to do the opposite; buying 2nd hand at about 4 years or more and I have had no problems yet, even though I keep them until they are well over 10 years old. My indie was able to get the bits to fix the Polo's electric window mechanism which had fallen apart at 17 years!

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - wemyss

Try other main dealers. My vectra bought new in 1998 and my local garage could still get parts for it last year including sensors etc from the local Vauxhall main dealer and at a very cheap price. I imagine they still keep the old parts and are quite happy to sell them off for a reduced price.

wemyss

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - expat

After a car has been out of production for over fifteen years parts can be difficult to find however the classic car enthusiasts know where to go for parts. If you can't get bits off Ebay or the local scrappers then look for an owners club. There are forums and clubs for just about every make of car. Those guys will know where to get parts. Adverts in classic car magazines are also worth looking at.

A well maintained modern car should be good for at least fifteen to twenty years provided you look after it. Modern cars don't rust anywhere near as much as the old ones did and rust was the big killer of cars in the past.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - John F

A well maintained modern car should be good for at least fifteen to twenty years provided you look after it.

Not according to HJ but you are absolutely right, unless the annual mileage is excessive.

(The average age of our three cars is 20yrs (A8 9 going on 10, Focus 15, TR7 35 - all serviced well but as infrequently as possible and only by me)

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - Andrew-T

Many good points already made, but no-one has mentioned Peugeot (and Gibbo has not responded). Main dealers will stock parts which have a steady or predictable turnover, and I suspect that (at one time anyway) they might make an effort to reduce overstocks by persuading owners that their car needed a replacement).

But a good main dealer will always obtain any part that is still on stock at the main distributor, usually the next day. I needed new shocks for a 306 convertible years ago, and was told there was only one available in the UK, and as it was July, France was on holiday, so none there either. But ClubPeugeotUK runs a parts finder service which seems to be able to trace almost anything, unless you are very unlucky. And there is always Dean Hunter in Yorkshire.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - SteVee

My Nissan Primera is now 15 years old and my local indie has not reported problems in getting parts (he did have problems getting parts for our much newer Ibiza!). Some have been refurbished - but that's reflected in the price. My Primera was at the end of its production run when new, so is now a seriously old model.

I always thought MB were top of the list for supplying parts for older cars, with BMW close behind.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - galileo

My Nissan Primera is now 15 years old and my local indie has not reported problems in getting parts (he did have problems getting parts for our much newer Ibiza!). Some have been refurbished - but that's reflected in the price. My Primera was at the end of its production run when new, so is now a seriously old model.

I always thought MB were top of the list for supplying parts for older cars, with BMW close behind.

Rolls Royce were reputed to be able to supply spares for a 1911 Silver Ghost. Not sure if this applies under the current owners.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - Ed V

Fairly sure I couldn't make a profit selling spares for cars over 10 years' old, mainly because owners of such vehicles are unlikely to be prepared to pay the real cost of manufacture, storage, supply etc.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - Falkirk Bairn

My Mazda Xedos, recently deceased, was almost 15.

The car was almost faultless in the 14 years I owned it BUT it started to consume brake calipers in the final couple of years - new parts from Mazda were typically £115 - after Mazda ran out only refurb units were available - £160 for the last one I bought.

I was at my local Indie for an MoT for the Honda - sitting there, having failed an MoT because of a handbrake efficiency was an Accord 6/7 years old - new handbrake cables were on backorder from japan - 3 Months !!! A poor show for a fairly new car.

Quantities of grease and some swearing had managed to release the cables as a temp measure and see it through to a pass.

Any - Best Cars for Long Term Ownership - Wackyracer

Some years ago I went to a friends garage to have the car MOT'd and the owner of a Rover turned up having a shout about why his car wasn't fixed. It turned out that he had bent the front beam and they were unable to find either a new or secondhand one anywhere. I can't remember the exact model but, It was only about 5 years old.

Watching Wheeler Dealers last night they were rebulding a Morgan and the man at Morgan said they can supply parts for cars upto 50 years old.