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Mazda 6 - Diesel Particulate Filter Issues [Mazda 6] - steviebwoy

Hi all,

My father has recently upgraded his car to a new Octavia.

As a consequence he’s offered me his 2006 Mazda 6 TS 2.0 Estate. It’s done around 110k miles, but otherwise seems pretty sound (fully serviced, and has never failed an MOT). He’s asking for £1,200 which seems pretty reasonable to me.

The only issue with it is that around 18 months ago he had a few issues with the Diesel Particulate Filter, after the warning light reared its’ ugly head. He had it cleared out at the time by a mechanic who ran the car at 3000 rpm for a few hours (I think they call this process a regeneration).

Since then he’s resisted the urge to touch 6th gear and all has been relatively fine. However about a month or so ago the light came back on again, so he had it regenned again to clear out the soot by my brother-in-law who happens to be a Mazda mechanic. He’s now decided to offload the car (hence the new Octavia).

Unfortunately though, I took it for a spin on Saturday not realising the DPF issue (drove it in 6th for 40 miles or so) and the blessed thing dropped into limp mode on me on the M5. That being, a sudden loss of acceleration that forced me from the outside lane in 6th gear at around 75mph, to the hard shoulder in 3rd at less than 30mph within a few nerve-shattering miles. I managed to recover the speed up to about 45-50 and made a quick exit from the motorway. The DPF light is now flashing, and the engine management light is also now on solidly.

My question is really; what’s the best thing to do here?

Should I;

  1. avoid the car like the plague
  2. get it regenned again and then avoid 6th gear, hoping for another 18 months before needing it regenned again
  3. replace the DPF with official parts – looks like this’ll be about £1,600 to sort
  4. remove the DPF – it’s a 2006 model, so I’m not sure if it actually needs it, there's potentially also MOT issues that we could run into down the line
  5. get the DPF properly cleaned out – there’s a chap near Avonmouth who offers this service but I’m not sure whether this is guaranteed to sort resolve the DPF issue?

We really like the car, but I don't want (nor can we afford) to keep having to service the DPF. If there's a fix out there that'll cost less than a grand to resolve this completely (meaning I can use 6th gear again!), then we'll go for it. Otherwise, I guess we'll put the money towards something else.

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Mazda 6 - Diesel Particulate Filter Issues [Mazda 6] - Railroad.

I wouldn't say avoid buying the car but everyone should now be mindful that all modern diesels have a DPF to enable them to meet the emission requirements. Issues regarding the DPF will arise as the car gets older. That was inevitable from the day the car was built. The DPF can only contain so much particulate matter, and there will eventually come a time when regenerations will not be able to clear it, and in which case a new one will be required.

You cannot carry our a forced regeneration yourself without diagnostic equipment, and avoiding top gear and thrashing the engine won't do it either. It does not work like that. The ECM commences the regeneration process when the conditions to do so are correct. Typically this is when the car is cruising at speeds at 50mph or above. The system should not enter regeneration mode when the engine speed is varying, such as in town driving.

Unless you do regular motorway mileage you'd be better advised to buy a petrol engine car. Or consider lease hiring a new diesel car. At least that way you won't be footing the repair bills when (and not if) this happens.

Mazda 6 - Diesel Particulate Filter Issues [Mazda 6] - steviebwoy

Thanks Railroad, some great advice there.

Now that it has happened in spite of my father's best efforts, what do you think my best plan of action is, assuming that I proceed with buying the car?

Should I just bite the bullet and buy a new one for £1,600 directly from Mazda, or is there a cheaper option available to me?

Mazda 6 - Diesel Particulate Filter Issues [Mazda 6] - Railroad.

You should bear in mind that it is an offence to modify a vehicle in such a way so that it no longer meets the emission requirements it was originally designed and built to meet. That said I wouldn't be inclined to have total confidence in someone who said they could remove it, and that upon doing so everything would be OK. Me being me I'd remain sceptical.

The DPF is a filter after all said and done, and I'm sure the Mazda genuine part has a big mark up. On a car of this age, and that DPFs won't last forever in any case, I think I would look for a less expensive alternative. Check with your local motor factor shop, or do some online searches.

Mazda 6 - Diesel Particulate Filter Issues [Mazda 6] - skidpan

A few points:

Not using 6th gear has not helped. in fact it will made things worse. By running at higher revs you will have used more fuel and produced more diesel particles which will have blocked the filter faster.

Its just an urban myth that higher revs burns off the particles. In truth the higher gas speed does not allow the DPF to heat up fully during a regen. Had 2 diesels with DPF's in the past, both have recomended between 1500 and 2000 rpm as the best revs to use when a regen occurs. Its worked for me.

A forced regen does not take a "few hours at over 3000 rpm". The garage should hook the car to their computer (with the correct sofware installed) which takes control of the ECU and the engine revs. These are varied between idle and no higher than 2500 for about 30 minutes max.

DPF's have a finite life. Every regen leaves behind ash residue wich cannot be removed. Once this has reached capacity its time for a new DPF.

There are very few facilities that can clean the particles from a DPF correctly, many claim to be able to do so but the kit required is expensive and takes many hours. Its mostly used for comercials and site plant but some can acommodate car DPF's. But none can remove the ash.

If the car was fitted with a DPF when manufactured it needs one to pass its MOT. This will show up when the garage books the car onto the DVLA system, no DDPF and its a fail.

If the car is otherwise good it may be worth getting a quote to do the work correctly, at least you know its OK other than the DPF.

Edited by skidpan on 01/09/2015 at 16:18

Mazda 6 - Diesel Particulate Filter Issues [Mazda 6] - steviebwoy

Thanks skidpan, that's really insightful. To be fair, my father took it to the local Mazda dealer the last time this happened (around a month ago), and they did connect it to their computer systems to do the necessary regen. This is what happened the first time too; I was just kind of explaining (poorly) what I thought the process consisted of.

It sounds as though my best option to really cure this, is to get a new DPF. Do you think I should opt for the £1,600 Mazda part or are the 3rd party DPFs just as good? I suppose there's a danger that the DPF sensors have melted onto the existing DPF, which could deepen the bill even more? I must admit that it's at this point I'm slightly out of my depth

Edited by steviebwoy on 01/09/2015 at 16:33

Mazda 6 - Diesel Particulate Filter Issues [Mazda 6] - craig-pd130

+1 to what the others said above. After 9 years and 110K miles, the DPF is likely to be fairly full with the ash residue from all the regenerations over its life, and will probably need replacing soon anyway (when the soot is burned off during a regen, it's mostly converted to carbon dioxide and water, but will always leave a tiny amount of ash that cannot be removed. Over several years and tens of thousands of miles, this eventually fills up the micropores in the DPF matrix).

My 10p worth is this: see if you can get a new DPF fitted cheaper. If you cannot get it cheaper than £1600, I would not buy the car ... bear in mind that other components such as the various DPF temperature and pressure sensors can and do fail too.

Mazda 6 - Diesel Particulate Filter Issues [Mazda 6] - steviebwoy

+1 to what the others said above. After 9 years and 110K miles, the DPF is likely to be fairly full with the ash residue from all the regenerations over its life, and will probably need replacing soon anyway (when the soot is burned off during a regen, it's mostly converted to carbon dioxide and water, but will always leave a tiny amount of ash that cannot be removed. Over several years and tens of thousands of miles, this eventually fills up the micropores in the DPF matrix).

My 10p worth is this: see if you can get a new DPF fitted cheaper. If you cannot get it cheaper than £1600, I would not buy the car ... bear in mind that other components such as the various DPF temperature and pressure sensors can and do fail too.

Thanks Craig, would the temperature and pressure sensors result in the same light combination appearing on the dash and the limp mode being activated? The reason I ask is because the fault has re-appeared really quickly after my father last had it regenned - probably around 100 miles. This makes me wonder whether it may be another fault contributing to the issue.

Mazda 6 - Diesel Particulate Filter Issues [Mazda 6] - injection doc

I have carried out a huge amount of DPF regens on these mazda's.

A you need dedicated diag equipment

B you must reset oil degredation counter

C you must reset injector learn

D I always reset EGR learn, ( if it smokes light blue during DPF regen the EGr valve is leaking and must be replaced )

E Clear any fault codes

F change oil and filter directly after

G I always reset throttle body adaption as well.

The engine will run at 1800rpm for up too 50 mins to regen and the DPF gets very hot, the bonnet must be left open, and do not move the vehicle whilst in regen mode.

as already said thrashing a diesel or driving too slow or too lower speed in too higher gear all adds to the soot content, including using full boost on acceleration.

With the exception of one Mazda 6 that had a blocked oil strainer and the engine seized I have never had one return with re-offending issue's once done properly.

The DPF can be removed and oven cleaned, these are the most effective way where they are baked in a DPf cleaning oven. ( Not home oven !)

Mazda 6 - Diesel Particulate Filter Issues [Mazda 6] - steviebwoy

I have carried out a huge amount of DPF regens on these mazda's.

A you need dedicated diag equipment

B you must reset oil degredation counter

C you must reset injector learn

D I always reset EGR learn, ( if it smokes light blue during DPF regen the EGr valve is leaking and must be replaced )

E Clear any fault codes

F change oil and filter directly after

G I always reset throttle body adaption as well.

The engine will run at 1800rpm for up too 50 mins to regen and the DPF gets very hot, the bonnet must be left open, and do not move the vehicle whilst in regen mode.

as already said thrashing a diesel or driving too slow or too lower speed in too higher gear all adds to the soot content, including using full boost on acceleration.

With the exception of one Mazda 6 that had a blocked oil strainer and the engine seized I have never had one return with re-offending issue's once done properly.

The DPF can be removed and oven cleaned, these are the most effective way where they are baked in a DPf cleaning oven. ( Not home oven !)

Thanks, it sounds like you really know your stuff. Can I ask where you're based and how much you'd charge for this service?

Failing that, is my best bet to actually just get the DPF replaced by a local (non-Mazda) garage? I've no idea how much to expect to pay for having the DPF replaced, but it looks like I can source one from a local Motor Factors for around £400. Having it fitted appears to be cheaper than the component cost but I'd imagine, even with a new DPF, the vehicle will need retuning to recognise that a new part has been fitted. Is this something that a non-Mazda garage will be able to do for me?

Edited by steviebwoy on 04/09/2015 at 10:12