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Advice On First Car - evanbf87

Hello all, I was wondering if I could request some advice on my first car? I am 27 and have just got my licence. Due to personal reasons including nostalgia growing up and the cars my late father used to drive, I am more interested in cars from the 80s/early 90s. Particular models I would love to own include: Volvo 340, Volvo 240, Vauxhall Cavalier Mk 2, Volvo 440, Vauxhall Astra Mk 2 and the Rover 400 (pre 1995). The only car I have driven so far is a Chevrolet Aveo. Would I have a hard time with any of these cars? I assume they are probably quite a different ride from the Aveo. How reliable are they? Which of these would you suggest, or would you suggest a different car? I am willing to spend £2000 max on the car, and expect to pay between £1800 and £2500 on insurance to start with. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, and I will bow to your greater wisdom. Apologies for the lack of paragraphs my enter key is broken.

Advice On First Car - Engineer Andy

You'll be lucky if a) you'll find any of these cars on the road in a condition that is worth buying them for, and b) if you do, the owner will 'expect' (probably for whatever reason keeping them in mint condition) a hefty premium for what are at best very average cars compared to both the best (in the same price bracket) at the time and especially today.

It will also depend on how long you want to keep the car - older cars will inevitably (even the more reliable ones) will eventually need major work done them (my 9.5 yo Mazda3 now needs £500 of rear suspension work), so it can be a bit of a lottery buying them unless you really know its been well looked after and also (for low mileage examples - high mileage [if servived properly] aren't too bad and you can get some good deals on newer cars as a result) haven't just been used as a shopping car on trips less than 10mins at a time. What annual mileage are you anticipating doing and on what (mainly) length of trip (e.g. to work or other regular journey)? How many people to carry as a minimum (GF/wife, kids, other family, etc), how big a boot do you need? Is it crutial to get to work/elsewhere in it?

If you don't have much money to spend buying and likely maintaining the car, go for something simple (the least amount of electronics [not just complex engines, but in-car ones such as A/C, electric windows, the three-lettered brigade [possibly with the exception of ABS]) and from a make that is reasonably reliable and not overly expensive to maintain.

I would go for the newest basic car from makes like Honda, Toyota, Mazda (all for general reliability), Ford (ok on reliability, appear to last longer than other comparable makes, dealerships everywhere and independents available to fix them, parts widely available and cheaper than the Japanese makes, and can get a newer model for your money).

The trickiest thing will be sourcing a "good'un", as most cars under £2 won't be on a main dealer forecourt, likely to be on a smaller second hand dealer, private sale or auction. Best to find out from friends, family and trustworthy work colleagues which local second-hand dealer are trustworthy or see if you can find someone you/they know and trust that might be parting with such a car. Whatever you go for, get it checked out by a reputable mechanic (e.g. from one of the breakdown firms - you'll thank them for paying for this later) before comiiting to buy. Don't forget as a new driver (even at 27) you'll still be paying a hefty insurance premium as an inexperienced driver (you'll be surprised how high it will be), so get quotes once you narrowed your choice initially to see if you can afford to run it.

Of all the cars you mentioned, I believe the Vauxhall Cavalier (I presume you mean the 'rounded' version from 1988-95) is the 'hardiest' one (if treated ok at least). Have a look at HJ's reviews (for the Rover you'll need to click on 'See all manufacturers'.

Advice On First Car - bathtub tom

I'll repeat Andy's advice - dont!

Unless you have a lot of experience of mending old cars, go for the most modern you can afford, but don't buy anything French, or Vauxhall!

I'll dispute Andy's advice about Ford prices, as I recently bought a Yaris for much less than a Fiesta.

I'd say any small engined car for a couple of years for cheap insurance to build up your no claims. Perhaps something like a Panda?

Always go for a manufacturer who has a dealer nearby, saves travelling miles for parts that motor factors don't stock.

Buy locally, if you have a problem it's up to you to return it to the seller.

Advice On First Car - Andrew-T

I would echo nearly all of Tom's remarks. It's a poor idea to start one's car-owning experience with a seriously old one. Perhaps have one for weekends or backup, but if you need reliable daily transport, get something newer. Once cars are 8 or 10 years old their buying price has bottomed out, so older ones get more expensive to own because of maintenance.

But Tom has a French-phobia, maybe for personal reasons. I have run with Peugeots (almost) exclusively since about 1988. Never a let-down and quite a bit of enjoyment.

Advice On First Car - Gibbo_Wirral

My experiences wih Peugeot have also been positive. Owned a couple of 205s, several 306s, two 307s and a 407 over the past 20 years. Why so many? I've gone off to other marques and been disappointed so gone back to Peugeot.

I've made sure I've bought cars with service history and maintained them and kept abreast of things to look out for or deal with from a peugeot forum. They're cheap to maintain and easy to fix.

Tom must have bought a lemon in his time, so now needs to tell everyone to steer clear in some bizarre act of revenge. I once had a crappy Ford Escort but I don't need to post on every Ford thread telling people to steer clear!

Edited by Gibbo_Wirral on 24/08/2015 at 14:04

Advice On First Car - bathtub tom
Tom must have bought a lemon in his time

I've certainly bought some lemons, but they usually had a BL badge.

It's just my experience of French cars, their very expensive main dealer parts (not available from motor factors) and often quirky electrics.

Advice On First Car - gordonbennet

Now i'm going to disagree entirely with the collective.

80s and 90s cars are the best of all worlds, they do near enough everything that the moderns do, apart from control the car for you, however they are now getting on a bit and finding the right car won't be simple.

Ignore dealers completely, you want to buy a car of this age from people who have looked after them, preferably from new but with as few owners as possible.

You need either to be fairly mechanically minded or to have some good friends who are, particularly you will need someone competent and tame on tap for the odd bit of welding.

I'm a member of another forum dedicated to older cars like these bought cheaply as possible, in the £hundreds and only an exceptional car will cost £2k and that will need to be a rarity such as a coupe or very special edition, and near enough perfect.

What would i be looking for, well 240 Volvo's are fine, but consider a good 7/9 series too, the saloons in particular are very cheap to buy and if looked after a good one has many years left in it.

Also consider Merc's 190 (one of the best cars they ever made), Toyota/Datsun/Nissan anything that has been old chap owned and is rust free.

Actually in all honesty consider anything, there's so much pleasure (and frustration) to be gained from these cars, whilst the moderns are OK they are to people like me as boring as hell and i wouldn't give you a thankyou for one, nor all the electronics within which will see them scrapped long before the last 200/700/900 Volvos are off the road.

Don't even think about £2k for your first step into semi classic/banger world, £500 will do so long as its got a long MOT and runs well enough, you're bound to make a few wrong choices along the way, haven't we all, but if you get 6 months out of a £400 jobbie and it packs up and you get £100 weighing it in that aint a bad start.

Rust is the killer, and take not a blind bit of notice of people who tell you modern cars don't rust, they are the people who never get underneath.

Check out classic insurance too, usually 20 or 25 years old vehicle to qualify.

Advice On First Car - Avant

Evanbf87, if you take all this advice together you get a good picture, despite apparent disagreement!

GB's advice and comments on cars of this era are spot-on, as ever, but he is extremely skilled and knowledgeable about matters mechanical so do note this sentence:

"You need either to be fairly mechanically minded or to have some good friends who are, particularly you will need someone competent and tame on tap for the odd bit of welding."

Your other problem is that any 20-30 year old cars which are in good condition wil have appreciated in price beyond your budget. The only way to get one at your price is to buy a banger and restore it. That takes time, but is clearly very rewarding if you have the skills, and patience.

If you're up for it, have a look on Autotrader and see what you can find.

Edited by Avant on 24/08/2015 at 19:39

Advice On First Car - slkfanboy

Nearly everything from that period is a pile of rust. Very few exist and most likely only classics of interest have bee restored. Any Vauxhall i owned rusted in 3 years so what it would be like now i've no idea. Volvo last well and their maybe a few around. The classic world is expensive and many good tend to be around £3000 >

Advice On First Car - Engineer Andy

Nearly everything from that period is a pile of rust. Very few exist and most likely only classics of interest have bee restored. Any Vauxhall i owned rusted in 3 years so what it would be like now i've no idea. Volvo last well and their maybe a few around. The classic world is expensive and many good tend to be around £3000 >

The other thing is that parts will surely be more expensive for older cars, as there's far less of them on the road and thus less demand. Its a bit like me owning a 15 year-old PC and trying to source a replacement memory module: there's always a 'sweet spot' period where spares are cheap because there's lots of demand, but newer spec ones now take the 'premium' price for most customers. Some parts may even have to be custom-made in some circumstances where its uneconomic to keep in stock.

I personally don't see the appeal in any of the cars the OP first listed - its not as though any of them are considered 'classics' or particularly decent to drive.

Advice On First Car - RobJP

Probably the best one to drive would be the Volvo 340 - but in 360 guise, and preferably the 360GLTi variant. That 2.0 lump from the 2/7 series was really unstressed pulling around a (moderately) light hatchback.

Advice On First Car - SteVee

How will your new car be maintained ?

If you will be doing at least some of the maintenance then buying a sub-£2000 car is possible. If not then either look at the sub-£1000 market for a short-term car, or buy much more recent, and think in terms of how much you can afford per month. Include VED (car tax), tyres, servicing and breakdown cover as well as insurance. Some recent cars, such as Kia and Hyundai may have some manufacturer warranty left, which may give you a lower monthly cost than a 'banger'.

If it will be garage maintained then talk to them about what you are planning. They may even have another customer who is thinking of trading a car that you would find suitable. If they like french cars, then consider Peugeots, Renaults etc. If they hate japanese cars then don't buy one of those. My own garage hates any modern diesel, and isn't too fond of modern petrol cars either - they do however like french cars.

Cars can be expensive. make sure you have some contingency funds.

Good luck and please come back and tell us what you bought.