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Citroen C3 Picasso - Shunt dynamics - help needed - redvers

Any advice would be much appreciated as I am at my wits end.

I am nearly 12 months into an isurance claim relating to a 3 car shunt on the motorway of which I was the middle car.

The car in front of me braked suddenly, I managed to stop just a few feet from him and was hit from behind and pushed into the car in front.

My car was almost a write-off with extensive damage to the front but minimal damage to the rear. The other cars were damaged a little, but told by the police that they were able to drive off.

The driver behind is since claiming that I had already hit the first car when he ran into me.

My uninsured loss solicitor is saying that there isn't much hope for my recovering my excess etc. as the photographic evidence doesn't support my case - as you would expect more damage to the front of the third car. This despite the driver of the first car referring to 'an impact' not two.

I'm certainly no expert but I do know that cars are designed to crumple at the front and be stong at the rear to protect the occupants. This explains the minimal damage to the car in front and the damage pattern to my car. However, I'm struggling to explain the lack of substantial damage to the car that hit me.

I don't know whether I was hit as the car behind was at the end of braking and therefore 'poked' into the car in front. I do remember that split second of relief at stopping though before I was hit from behind.

If anyone can help me explain why the third car wasn't damaged more then I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

Citroen C3 Picasso - Shunt dynamics - help needed - FP

It strikes me that it's a bit much to believe that the driver of the car behind could actually see that the OP had in fact hit the car ahead, rather than there being a gap between them.

I don't think the fact that the car behind wasn't much damaged is relevant at all. There is no question that it hit the OP's car and I don't think you can infer much from a visual inspection about the force involved.

I don't see why the hindmost driver's story should be believed rather than the OP's.

Citroen C3 Picasso - Shunt dynamics - help needed - thunderbird

There is no way you can prove you did not hit the car in front unless you have a witness.

Different cars react differently in accidents so the anount of damage is no indication as to who hit who first.

But since when you were hit from behind and your car moved that may have minimised the damage to the car that hit you.

Suggest you put it down to experience and be happy no one was injured.

Citroen C3 Picasso - Shunt dynamics - help needed - FP

"There is no way you can prove you did not hit the car in front unless you have a witness."

And there is no way the hindmost driver can prove the OP's car did hit the car at the front, unless there is a witness.

Citroen C3 Picasso - Shunt dynamics - help needed - Dwight Van Driver

Gents ^^^^^^

got to somewhat disagree with you assumptions.......

In the dynamics of accidents a lot can be gleaned from a thorough examination of the damage and questioning of thedrivers/witnesses


If the poster braked quite firmly to stop then the front of his car will be lowered as in braking the front dips. If one could establish the height of the point of impact (i.e. bumper crease mark) with the vehicle stopped in front then this can be compared with actual height a level car un braked car would be at the point of an impact. A braked car will give a lower height of point of impact. If the later is the same then car was stopped and shunted forward, if the former then a moving impact.


Secondly if the driver of the car at the front felt one impact then the poster had stopped and was shunted forward. If he felt two impacts then the first car was hit and then the second car was shunted forward by the third into the one in front i.e. the poster's car had not stopped.

dvd

Edited by Dwight Van Driver on 29/04/2015 at 17:13

Citroen C3 Picasso - Shunt dynamics - help needed - thunderbird

But normally such extensive investigations will take place after a serious injury or fatality. In simple cases of 3 damaged cars like this its knock for knock and then its down to the uninsurred loss company to do the rest.

Citroen C3 Picasso - Shunt dynamics - help needed - Brit_in_Germany

Also, did the airbags deploy? If you are stationary and hit from behind, it is quite likely the front airbags will not blow but they would if you first hit the car in front.

Citroen C3 Picasso - Shunt dynamics - help needed - slkfanboy

It's very complex and without knowing the make and model of the cars involved hard to say.

I suspect you stopped and released the foot break in shock which often happens. So when the car hit the rear of you hit the energy transferred rather than crumpled the car behind your impact the car in front who may well have had his foot on the break.

Citroen C3 Picasso - Shunt dynamics - help needed - TedCrilly

Any decent Forensic Engineer should be able to interogate the airbag ECUs and determine how the sensor was triggered. Front/rear suggests you hit the car in front first, rear/front the other way around.

Wouldnt be cheap though!!

Citroen C3 Picasso - Shunt dynamics - help needed - gordonbennet

Much depends on the weight and solidity of the cars involved.

Not relevant now but in a previous life i was shunted in town exactly like our OP.

Maestro van in front, i in a Austin Princess wedge, the driver behind in an XJ6.

My Princess being a weak mass produced and relatively light car (just like a C3) suffered severe damage to front and rear which wrote it off, the van a little bit damaged, the Jag with its proper more than just fashionable bumpers not a scratch seriously you'd never know it had happened.

Fortunately for me the Jaguar driver was an honourable man and put his hands up, including the story told to the insurers, so all ended well...he even phoned later same day to check on my little lad who was in the car at the time and again apologised, not many like him about now.

Citroen C3 Picasso - Shunt dynamics - help needed - galileo

Fortunately for me the Jaguar driver was an honourable man and put his hands up, including the story told to the insurers, so all ended well...he even phoned later same day to check on my little lad who was in the car at the time and again apologised, not many like him about now.

A young man ran into the back of wife's car (she crept out of a junction to see past parked cars, he gave it full pedal as he thought she was going right out).

Apologised, gave details, called at ours later that day with his father volunteering to pay full repair cost to ours.

As GB says, not many like that these days.

Citroen C3 Picasso - Shunt dynamics - help needed - gordonbennet

Attn Galileo.

A, i have no doubt your wife has similar standards of just and fair play just as the young man and his father had.

B, i have no doubt these days that someone in your wife's shoes would need a new BMW for several weeks via credit hire, and the comfort of a large four figure bung to soothe the inevitable whiplash and associated costs.

Somehow i prefer the way we used to do it.

It's worked the other way for me when my first wife caused a minor accident on the road, when i called at the other chaps house he and his father wouldn't hear of me paying for the damage, they said thankyou then shook my hand and sorted it themselves.

This isn't a Charles Dickens novel either, it's but one generation or two has seen the shift to grabbing, monkey see monkey do, when the selfish self important people at the top worship mamon....