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Wed 22 Apr 2015 12:25

See you later undertaker - hillman

This is an example of bed manners, but whose ?

www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/11552932/Hero-Renault...l

A number of years ago the motorway through Hyde was under construction and long tail backs were the norm. The regular travellers waited in line in the near side lane and it worked very well in a civilised manner. Impatient motorists overtook everything and forced their way in at the front - sheer aggression. Then the heavy lorries developed a strategy, the gentlemen of the road rode side by side and nothing else could get through until the end when the nearside lorry dropped back and let the offside through.

We had a road rage incident yesterday. There is a difficult junction at New Mills, Derbs. where northbound heavy lorries, especially long articulators, turn off the A6 onto the A6015. Because of a group of cars parked outside houses the heavy lorries can't get through against the traffic and local drivers leave a long gap to allow them to do so. Otherwise everyone is stuck. Yesterday I slowed down as I approached the stretch of road because the lights were on red so that I could judge how much space to leave. A young woman in a following car tooted angrily. Perhaps she was not paying attention and got too close. I stopped and waved her by, even going onto the footpath to encourage her, let her cause the holdup, but she wouldn't pass me.

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Wed 22 Apr 2015 12:48

See you later undertaker - Engineer Andy

The report was right - the Renault driver was acting against the Highway Code - it makes sense to use up both lanes up to where the road narrows, as long as all the vehicles do so in a safe fashion, and filter in turn from 2 to 1 lane.

This would actually reduce queueing further back - its unfortunate that everyone these days filters into one lane the minute they see the first X00 yrds to one lane sign, however, the Audi driver is in my view being dangerous by driving initially too fast, but both him and the the Renault driver being reckless by their antics as one blocks the other.

I think the reason why the Renault driver did what they did was:

a) they didn't think of doing it themselves, so why should anyone else 'get away with it?';

b) the speed at which the Audi was overtaking;

c) that the overtaking car was an Audi (same attitude for BMWs, Mercs and any high-performance/luxury car). To a lot of drivers, its the perceived snobbishness of such drivers that they feel 'obliged' to stop - how often have any of us let out someone driving an 'average' car and not someone driving a 'flashy German' one?

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Wed 22 Apr 2015 12:55

See you later undertaker - skidpan

The Renault driver is clearly the idiot and not the Mercedes driver. Signs on the approach to lane closures clearly say "use both lanes to merge" which is exactly what the Mercedes driver intended.

Hopefully action can be taken against the Renault driver using the footage as evidence.

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Wed 22 Apr 2015 14:07

See you later undertaker - craig-pd130

The Renault driver is clearly the idiot and not the Mercedes driver. Signs on the approach to lane closures clearly say "use both lanes to merge" which is exactly what the Mercedes driver intended.

Hopefully action can be taken against the Renault driver using the footage as evidence.

Agreed. It's dangerous driving by the Renault.

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Wed 22 Apr 2015 12:56

See you later undertaker - Happy Blue!

I get people hooting at me and flashing lights when I go in the outside lane and try to get close to the point at which the lanes genuinely merge. 'Merge in turn' or 'zipping' is the most efficient way of reducing long lines when lanes are closed.

Edited by Happy Blue! on 22/04/2015 at 13:03

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Wed 22 Apr 2015 13:17

See you later undertaker - slkfanboy

>This would actually reduce queueing further back - its unfortunate that everyone these >days filters into one lane the minute they see the first X00 yrds to one lane sign, >however, the Audi driver is in my view being dangerous by driving initially too fast, but >both him and the the Renault driver being reckless by their antics as one blocks the >other.

Thats simply not true. It makes the queue shorter in length only, it still takes the same amount of time to get though. It further delays every one further as it introduced start/stop movement in each queue(as now you have 2 queue one for each lane).

Personal I think both drivers are at fault and for sure not driving within the highway code.

Old Tw** BMW drivers seam to favour Audi these days!

In most cases it's bad design of road works and road jountions for that matter that tend to encourage these "race" road rage incidences

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Wed 22 Apr 2015 15:00

See you later undertaker - Ethan Edwards

Her'e in Sarf Efficks' - I certainly find that nearly all of the worst terrible impatient arrogant plain stupid drivers are usually to be found in some kind of Audi. It's almost as if there's a club out there for them.

Last night case in point A12 J17 Southbound about 17:50 -line of traffic on the inside lane all indicating to turn off doing about 65...Black A3 goes hammering down the outside lane, slams on pushes over the inside lane then into the turnoff causing the chap in front of me to brake to avoid him - so we all had to brake.

All captured on my dashcam.

Stupidity, impatience and arrogance all in one vehicle.

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Wed 22 Apr 2015 15:13

See you later undertaker - Andrew-T

This is an example of bed manners, but whose ?

Eh ? :-)

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Wed 22 Apr 2015 18:38

See you later undertaker - brum

This is an example of bed manners, but whose ?

You mean like when you f a r t in bed and then pull the covers over your partner?? :)

Much funnier than reading a load of old backroomers comments moaning about not them being policemen or judges.....

Edited by brum on 22/04/2015 at 18:38

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Wed 22 Apr 2015 21:46

See you later undertaker - hillman

"This is an example of bed manners, but whose ?

You mean like when you f a r t in bed and then pull the covers over your partner?? :)

Much funnier than reading a load of old backroomers comments moaning about not them being policemen or judges....."

Sorry, chaps !!! I hate it when I spell things wrongly.

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Thu 23 Apr 2015 11:07

See you later undertaker - cocorico

You mean like when you f a r t in bed and then pull the covers over your partner?? :)

Do you mean a dutch oven ?

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Thu 23 Apr 2015 11:40

See you later undertaker - Sofa Spud

I always get in the correct lane as soon as possible and I let a few merging vehicles in along the way.

The number of vehicles going through the bottleneck is the same whether there's one half-mile tailback or two quarter-mile tailbacks.

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Thu 23 Apr 2015 14:01

See you later undertaker - davecooper

The higher the speed of the traffic during the merging phase, the faster the traffic will flow. Once you get merging at the point where the lane ends, you will get a slowing of the traffic which will result in a stop further back. The closer you get to losing the lane, the harder it becomes to move across as traffic starts bunching toward the merging point. Eventually you have to force your way in which will slow the traffic flow again.

If the left hand didn't close but took you off to somewhere else, people would move across well in advance because the later you left it, the greater the risk of you having to leave as you couldn't just stop in that lane and hope you could push in.

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Thu 23 Apr 2015 14:02

See you later undertaker - oldroverboy.

I love all those going down the "hard shoulder" to the next exit who get blocked in because that is where the obstruction is...

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Thu 23 Apr 2015 15:23

See you later undertaker - Avant

" 'Merge in turn' or 'zipping' is the most efficient way of reducing long lines when lanes are closed."

I agree entirely with Happy Blue - ideally the contractors should put up 'merge in turn' signs to make it clear that this should happen. That's the best way to avoid aggressive cutting in and self-righteous 'queuing and blocking' which are both as undesirable as each other.

A little unfair to tar Audi drivers with this particular brush, as it was a Mercedes in the video! I find that aggressive drivers tend to drive black cars, often, through not always German 'premium' makes. That is not, of course, to imply that all black cars are driven aggressively!

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Thu 23 Apr 2015 19:18

See you later undertaker - Trilogy

Relieved to see cars were were not using both lanes, as the road sign apparently instructed.

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