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Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - NissanQashiqai buyer

Dear HonestJohn

For my Nissan Quashqai 360, bought in Feb. 2013, I found two areas on chassis at the back of the car, closed to two wheels corroded badly, very surprised and disappointed. A video is attached, shown below. It is a quality issue. The vehicle has only been used for two years, of about 21,000 miles. It's within the warranties. The vehicle is used for general driving between office and home, of city driving in East Midlands in England. It has been maintained very well in the garage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvnWSI0IlSU&feature=youtu.be

Welcome your comments on how can a 2-yr old new car have such problems of corrosion, and also my opinion is that the corrosion is not only on the paint surface.

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - gordonbennet

That's either subframe or moving suspension arm not chassis or frame, it's steel and compared to many makers well enough painted, but it's in a high abrasion area so needs a bit of owner TLC now and again.

If you want it to be rust free you'll have to get down there in the spring, wash the whole underside to get the salt off...you did last last year i hope, leaving winter salt on is the quickest way to see your car dissolve...then wire brush it and sand it down, treat then paint the rust and anywhere else that is suffering abrasion, then apply some proper high abrastion rustproofing to the whole of the affected areas, and some cavity wax inside the hollow sections for good measure.

If you think thats bad you should get under a few more motors, you'd be surprised how many subframes, suspensions and transmissions have little or no paint at all them and just how badly affected by rust some modern cars are.

I seriously considered selling my old MB in 2006 and buying a Mustang, the demo i tried was 1 year old, the sales bloke seemed a bit perturbed when i slid underneath (maybe no one does that any more) but not as perturbed as i was when i found a completely unpainted live rear axle a lovely copper shade of rust throughout with matching suspension and mounts...as it was the car was no faster than my Benz despite being 2 cyls and 1400cc larger capacity with the most horrid crashing ride, they say you shouldn't meet your heroes.

Edited by gordonbennet on 20/03/2015 at 00:30

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - brum

That's not the chassis but the suspension trailing arms.

Brum's opinion

These and other suspension components do invariably corrode over time. They are parts made from very thick steel castings with just a light coat of black paint thats easily damaged/blasted from road dirt/stones flying around under the car.The corrosion is accelerated by road salt and moisture/grime sticking to these exposed parts, made worse if its not washed off properly. Its mainly cosmetic and should not eat through those parts for a long time, they should easily outlast the car. All cars suffer, although yours does seem a bad case for a young car, it depends on where the car has been used and what its been exposed to.

Take a day off, strip off the wheels, give the suspension a good wash down, some work with a steel brush and slap or spray on some appropriate paint e.g hammerite.

A sympathetic dealer might do this for you under warranty, but I doubt it will be covered under warranty. You can always try..

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - madf

Agree with Brum above.

I had the same on our three year Yaris when we bought it in 2005.

Cleaned the arms down, sprayed with Dinitrol.

Still Ok today...

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - Hamsafar

It's normal for steel subframes and suspension arms - more expensive makes may have aluminium alloy parts which do not look as bad. Just jetwash under your car at least twice a year to get rid of salty caked on dirt.I think you only noticed it because the design of the car is such that they are so visible from these angles so perhaps Nissan should have used a better coating such as zinc hot dip. Nice boots BTW.

Edited by Hamsafar on 20/03/2015 at 18:30

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - Wackyracer

That is what I'd do. Do you use aerosol cans or that shutz type gun they sell?

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - gordonbennet

That is what I'd do. Do you use aerosol cans or that shutz type gun they sell?

Who's the question for Wackyracer?

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - Wackyracer

That is what I'd do. Do you use aerosol cans or that shutz type gun they sell?

Who's the question for Wackyracer?

I know you use aerosols GB as I asked you before, question was for Ma***

I seem to remember trying to spray waxoxl using a shutz type gun and it didn't work at all but, the company that sell dinitrol sell a shutz type gun to apply it. I might go the whole hog and buy one with a refillable pressurised pot, then I can buy the Bilt Hamber s50 in a 5litre size as it's more economical.

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - gordonbennet

Be interested to hear if that works for you, the 5 litre pack is considerably cheaper, but if it involved the faff and mess that Waxoyl entailed then i couldn't face that again.

Reckon i'm getting old, did a full lube service on the L'Cruiser today, engine oil and filter, both diffs and transfer box drained and refilled, and the first of three sumpfulls dained and renewed in the auto box, i was nackered.

Edited by gordonbennet on 20/03/2015 at 20:50

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - madf

That is what I'd do. Do you use aerosol cans or that shutz type gun they sell?

Who's the question for Wackyracer?

I know you use aerosols GB as I asked you before, question was for Ma***

I seem to remember trying to spray waxoxl using a shutz type gun and it didn't work at all but, the company that sell dinitrol sell a shutz type gun to apply it. I might go the whole hog and buy one with a refillable pressurised pot, then I can buy the Bilt Hamber s50 in a 5litre size as it's more economical.

Spray aerosol

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - NissanQashiqai buyer

That is what I'd do. Do you use aerosol cans or that shutz type gun they sell?

No, not yet. It's discovered very recently. Thanks Wackyracer

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - NissanQashiqai buyer

All cars suffer, although yours does seem a bad case for a young car, it depends on where the car has been used and what its been exposed to."

Thank you very much for all useful information and comments.

What is felt very disappointing is, it has been used for 2 years new car, only 21,000 miles, for travelling between work and home in the East Midlands and the roads with good conditions, e.g. motorways A roads. On average it is high-pressure jet washed 1/2 weeks at car services, including jet washing the bottom, bearing in mind the moisture/grime sticking to those exposed parts. It's parked in the garage overnight, generally been very well maintained.

wonder if there are legislations UK governing the quality of cars with specifications on the quality requirements on these parts, how they should be protected and painted by the manufacture, customised to the weather conditions, for consumer rights. For example, the weather is generally moisture here.

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - brum

Placing a wet car in a garage that is not thoroughly dry, aggravates corrosion that has already started. I'm not a fan of jet washes or pressure washers. Yes they strip most of the dirt, but at the pressures they operate, they carry the dirt along and sandblast surfaces. Any weak paint is soon stripped off by them.

One thing you should never do is to pressure wash tyres and alloy wheels at close quarters under high pressure. It damages the tyres and alloys by penetrating the surface.

All cars soon get rusty suspension (steel) components, the components are designed and built for strength and integrity, not for cosmetic appearance.

Last new car I bought, a Fabia (again), straight from the showroom, I stripped all the wheels off, cleaned an lubricated hub mating surfaces, painted the drums, and cleaned and painted a lot of the major suspension bits - trailing arms were a priority - with industrial (spray) paint. Welds got extra coats.

Silicone spray on plastic liners to help stop dirt/muck sticking.

Two years/20k later when I took the rear wheels off, after cleaning, the suspension is like new, although the drums could have faired better with more preparation/paint.

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - bathtub tom

>>lubricated hub mating surfaces, painted the drums

Not a good idea!

About half the power transmission between the hub and the wheels depends on friction between the hub and wheel (the rest is dependant ont the bolts/studs).

It's also not advisable to paint the hub/wheel mating surface, as the paint can get compressed resulting in the torque of the fixing reducing and the nuts/bolts loosening.

I've seen high power pressure washers strip paint from metal, they can easily overcome oil seals allowing water into bearings and they laugh at door rubbers. I only ever used them to clean mud from bodywork on really fithy cars.

Edited by bathtub tom on 21/03/2015 at 17:19

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - brum

Agreed I don't paint mating surfaces, just very very lightly grease (LM) to stop steel/alloy electrolytic corossion making it extremely difficult to remove wheels. I get your point about friction, but tough, my bolts will have to take it. Never had or known a wheel bolt fail in my life. If wheel/hub face friction were important they'd be keyed or something instead of mirror finish.

I don't grease or lubricate threads as they should dry torqued, lately being plagued by zinc leeching out of poor quality bolts (Skoda cars last three years) and filling the threads with white oxide. Cheap and nasty suppliers.

Edited by brum on 21/03/2015 at 18:59

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - madf

I have used copperease on the drum/wheel interface for thrity years. Never has any wheels fall off.. nor stick on...

If manufacturers rely on teh interface to drive the wheels, what happens when one surface consists of loose powdery rust? Or big blistery rust?

Juts asking cos it sounds rubbish to me...

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - Wackyracer

The amount of area that my wheels contact the disc surfaces is minimal and I'm sure that any grease on that surface would easily be squeezed out by the clamping force applied by the wheel bolts. I only put some grease around the edge of the centre hole to stop the wheels rusting on.

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - gordonbennet

I'd rather a good close slightly lubed fit between a wheel and its mounting points, than trying to crush corrosion down enough to get metal to metal.

I too have always used some form of lube and have never had a wheel come loose, and that includes when we used to change umpteen of our own lorry wheels when out on site work...in the days before we needed to be trained and H&S assessed with a regularly certified calibrated torque wrench to do so.

Nissan Qashiqai 360 - Nissan Qashiqai 360 chassis corroded-NewCar 2yrs - NissanQashiqai buyer

Thank you for the comments.