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Tue 10 Mar 2015 19:00

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - jack.jack

Hi. I have 308 hdi diesil 92 bhp 2010 74,000 miles. The sound is only slight and I never noticed it really.

Peogeot dealership just advised me that is probably the water pump failing and offered to replace the water pump timing belt and anti freeze for £400. Apparently all these parts are related when it comes to fixing a water pump.

I would say that I have only noticed a slight medium to high pitch hum when idioling. And a slight increase in fuel consumption. Used to get 70mpg now 67.3mpg using same driving style over same destinations.

I guess my question is, the dealership technician says it's probably the pump. It might last and it might not. He listed it as urgent attention and red traffic light on their inspection sheet whilst they did the service. What would you do? Ask them to do the work?

Oh yes forgot to say they could not do the service because the air deflector covering to engine is stuck on. The recommend labour charge of £50 to cut the bolts off.

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Tue 10 Mar 2015 19:17

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - elekie&a/c doctor

There are lots of rotating components driven by the poly vee drive belt and the camshaft belt.It would be very difficult to establish what is making the noise unless the front of the engine is dismantled.It could be the cranshaft pulley starting to break up,not uncommon on this engine.So the garage could not service the car because they could not remove the engine cover without a charge of £50 to cut the bolts off???I think you need to take the car somewhere else.

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Tue 10 Mar 2015 21:41

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - jack.jack

Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated. I had to laugh at the ceased bolts. Told them to keep car overnight and suspect there spraying wd40 on them to ease.

Looks like i might just have to go with dealership advice. If they replace the water pump it's because I want to be safe rather than sorry and not damage the engine is the pump seizes up completely. Seems like my only other option is to get a second opinion but like you side you need to start take the engine apart to really find the issue.

I was hoping I could ask them to take the belt off the water pump an spin it by hand to see if it really is causing the problem however from reading up it sound like that is just as big a job as changing the water pump.

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Wed 11 Mar 2015 12:13

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - Peter.N.

At 74,000 miles the cam belt is coming up due for renewal anyway and once all the covers and the belt are off its a simple job to replace the pump and they are not expensive. I have just changed the belt on my 406 and fitted a water pump as well as its probably cheaper than risking having to strip it down again to replace a leaking pump.

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Wed 11 Mar 2015 13:03

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - jack.jack

Good advice I think your wrong. I guess I have to trust the dealer that they have identified the fault correctly and it is actually the water pump bearing that is failing and not something else. Just seems a lot of money. They claim it's two hour thirty minute job and dealership labours charges which they have discounted for me.

I could phone a few other dealers at lunch time and see what they quote. Will let you know

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Wed 11 Mar 2015 13:21

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - Railroad.

I agree with Peter N. Replacing the cambelt isn't particularly difficult on this engine if you know how to do it, but if you are going to replace the water pump you'd be pretty foolish not to replace the cambelt at the same time. In any case a cambelt should never be re- tensioned once fitted and gone into service. This is because some of the initial yield would've been taken up when it was originally fitted, but there is no way of knowing how much. That means it's virtually impossible to tension the belt exactly the same as it was before, and that could lead to premature failure. I'd bite the bullet and replace the lot. Better to do that than to regret not doing it.

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Wed 11 Mar 2015 13:48

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - Gibbo_Wirral

At 74,000 miles the cam belt is coming up due for renewal anyway

Believe it or not, the interval is 10 years or 100,000 miles on the 1.6 diesel, a staggering 160,000 miles on the 2L. I'd never risk leaving it that long.

Edited by Gibbo_Wirral on 11/03/2015 at 13:48

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Wed 11 Mar 2015 22:40

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - jack.jack

Thank you everyone for you honest advice and guidance. Your all right really. I would be mad not to change the water pump if it is failing and must then change the timing belt. Anyway the belt has done 74,400 to be exact and is nearing the manufacturers recommended life of 10 years or 100,000 miles.

I've alway had it service on 13,000 miles which for me is every 9 months so I am a little disappointed the I've got a major bill for maintenance already. I read somewhere that Peugeot and Citroen has a batch of water pumps that were manufactured up until 2011 that are proving to be short lived/lifed.

I phone another dealership run by a different company and got the same price quite. An independent quoted just £50 less at £350 so I am biting the bullet and asking the dealer to change to timing belt rollers and pulleys which takes two hours 30 minutes at a dealership rate of £115 per hour. Plus another 30 minutes labour for the new water pump replacement plus the cost of parts. Dealer has been instructed to do the work for £400 all in quote that will also replace the antifreeze.

Originally I only brought the car in for a oil and oil filter change for £115. I some ways I am luck that they picked up this issue before major failure and damage was caused. If I add the service everything adds up to £515. Must be done.

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Wed 11 Mar 2015 22:47

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - jack.jack

I must say the discussion area is fascinating. I have learnt a lot. Thank you. This area is a really good resource.

I was reading about the oil and oil filter changes for my 1.6 hdi basically diesels cause the oil to become acidic more quickly than petrol and you should change to oil more regularly than the recommend one year 12,500 miles Peugeot recommend. Early oil and filter change will increase the longevity of your engine. I guess I was just unlucky with my water pump bearing failing after just four and a half years 74,000 miles.

Other than the water pump I am well please with the engine and car and it's build quality. I hope to take the engine to at least 150,000 miles before anything else major goes wrong. Fingers crossed I hope to make 150,000.

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Wed 11 Mar 2015 23:59

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - Peter.N.

The 1.6 Hdi is a good engine providing the oil is changed regularly, by that I mean about twice as often as specified. Turbo failures are quite common and generaly due to failure of the oil supply because of to dirty oil combined with a filter in the turbo feed that gets blocked, changing the oil more frequently will help as will removal of the in line turbo filter.

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Thu 12 Mar 2015 23:51

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - jack.jack

Thanks once again for your good advice. Servicing every 13,000 about every 9 months is not regular enough it sounds if I want to minimise the chances of something else going wrong. I wonder if this could have been a contributing factor?

Come to think of it. I have not had the antifreeze changed. Dealer recommended that at my three service. I wonder if that contributed to the water pump bearing failing?

Thanks, jack

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Fri 13 Mar 2015 11:54

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - Andrew-T

I have not had the antifreeze changed. Dealer recommended that at my three service. I wonder if that contributed to the water pump bearing failing? Thanks, jack

I think recent Peugeots claim to come with long-life coolant, presumably fully deionised etc. (meaning several years, no change interval specified). But if you are draining the system to change the pump you will get fresh coolant anyway. Make sure it's the proper stuff.

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Fri 13 Mar 2015 13:24

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - Gibbo_Wirral

I think the 207 is lifetime (although that doesn't always mean the life of the car - 10 years of 100,000 miles). I treat the 308, especially early models, as being similar to a facelifted 307 - that's suggested as being every 72,000 miles or 5 years.

I'd imagine that its safe to go a little beyond that, so unless the coolant was low or faulty in some way I wouldn't blame that.

It will be interesting to see the condition of the pump when its done. Hopefully you can ask them for it and post a pic on Pugforums (where we're also conversing!).

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Sat 14 Mar 2015 09:25

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - Andrew-T

I think the 207 is lifetime (although that doesn't always mean the life of the car - 10 years of 100,000 miles). I treat the 308, especially early models, as being similar to a facelifted 307 - that's suggested as being every 72,000 miles or 5 years.

That's interesting, Gibbo. As my 207 has the 1.6 HDi 90 engine I was assuming this 308 had the same. Surely they would have the same coolant characteristics? Or maybe it has the 110 ?

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Tue 9 Oct 2018 18:29

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - jack.jack

Hey. I am back with a quick update. I am now on 139,200 miles and had previously replaced a failing water pump bearing (was chirping/squeaking) on 74,000. Well now the water pump is leaking, looks like on or around the bearing and I have been topping up the green coolant 100ml every week for the last 6 weeks.

Dilemma I need your opinion on

I suspect I a going to have to change the water pump and timing belt again due to the leak. I am hoping to find an independent garage in the £250 region mark. Peugeot dealer have a fixed price of £400.

What would you do?

Go to a independent and save the £150 and risk they don't use quality parts
Buy the parts from Peugeot and get a independent garage to replace
Or bite the bullet and pay the £400 for top quality franchise dealer repair

PS Seems like to only fault with the mechanic of this economical engine is the water pumps don't last more than 70,000 miles. I guess that is reason use and wear and tear and cannot claim the parts are defective.

Jack

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Tue 9 Oct 2018 19:50

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - Andrew-T

I would guess the belt may be coming up for renewal anyway, so if the pump needs doing, get the usual kit for both. Obvious route seems to be to ask independent to use genuine parts (which a good one will probably do anyway).

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Wed 10 Oct 2018 11:08

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - jack.jack

less than 5 seconds ago · #13

Double checked today and definitely a water pump leak so will have to change timing belt, coolant and pump.
Local independent garage in Harrow, middlesex is quoting £465. That's more than the peugeot fixed price of £400-might as well take it to peugeot for the £65 saving unless there are any other local indy garages that can come in around the £300 mark.
Am I being reasonable and allowing a good profit if I expect to pay £300?

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Wed 10 Oct 2018 12:13

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - SLO76

Often the main dealer is cheaper or nearly the same as backstreet garages. I had a service and the timing belt plus water pump done on my Polo and the VW dealer was only £30 dearer than independents were quoting and that was using VW parts compared to aftermarket bits. The 5yr warranty on the belt plus the fact that the dealers staff are well versed on the product clinches it.

It’s always worth getting a price from the dealer and remember also that a car with main dealer history is always worth more when you sell on. Though it’s not much of a concern with a Peugeot nearing 150k as there’s little value left. It’s good to see an example of how proper maintenance can keep even a rather notoriously fragile engine like this in good order and I hope you’ll keep running it and reporting back to see just how many miles you can get out of it.

Edited by SLO76 on 10/10/2018 at 12:14

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Wed 10 Oct 2018 15:08

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - jack.jack

Thanks SL076. Maybe as you indicate the dealer specialising in the engine means they can complete a timing belt and water pump change quicker than any indy and thats why their prices with full dealer guarantees is so competitive.

Some extra information that may help others: Every 13k oil and oil filter change

Every 25k diesel and air filter change

Issues with the car.

2 water pump replacements required. 1st on 74k and now on 139k

Eloys fuel additive exhausted with no engine management warning or other warnings on 134k which blocked the dpf - dealer never spotted on major service at 127k

From my experience

PROS

1 in general a reliable car with good build quality as long as you change the oil and the filters regularly

2 excellent fuel economy averaging 68.8mpg. Mainly duel carriage way motor way driving

CONS

3 water pump for me is the engine's main weakness which leads to a costly timing belt change, these are roughly 30k before the manufacturers recommended timing belt change times

4 complex and expensive depolution system. A new dpf alone is £658.i understand why it's there and the environment need though.

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Wed 10 Oct 2018 21:17

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - Andrew-T

Am I being reasonable and allowing a good profit if I expect to pay £300?

Like many other jobs, the bulk of the cost is labour. Parts should be around £100 and the work take around 2-3 hours (?) So basically the only saving you can make is by going where the labour rate is cheapest. It's possible that a Pug dealer or specialist might take a bit less time than a general indie because it's a more familiar job.

If it was my car I would change oil and filter more often than that - about 8K miles. It's thick and dirty enough by then as it is.

Edited by Andrew-T on 10/10/2018 at 21:19

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Thu 11 Oct 2018 00:06

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - jack.jack

Thanks Andrew-t. I will take your advice and service from every 8k from hear on in. Do you still change your diesel filter and air filter every 25k?

Some people say the engine is fragile. I don't believe this and personally think a lot issues that any engine can experience develop more quickly due to driving style. I believe the 1.6hdi does not like high revs. I've never taken mine over 3000rpm and tend to drive progressively/smoothly. I manage to get 50k miles out of each set of Michelin energy savers and only on my second set of pads and discs which were changed at an amazing 110k (I was amazed- brakes guy did not believe me but I've had the car since 7k miles and not changed brakes till 110k)

One small question. Does anyone have issue with corroded bolts of the under engine wind deflector. All my bolts with the exception of one have had to be angle ground off and I am now using cable ties to attach the deflector. It would appear peugeot use really cheap bolts which corrode quickly.

Edited by jack.jack on 11/10/2018 at 00:12

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Thu 11 Oct 2018 00:22

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - Andrew-T

Thanks Andrew-t. I will take your advice and service from every 8k from here on in. Do you still change your diesel filter and air filter every 25k?

One small question. Does anyone have issue with corroded bolts of the under engine wind deflector. All my bolts with the exception of one have had to be angle ground off and I am now using cable ties to attach the deflector. It would appear peugeot use really cheap bolts which corrode quickly.

My 207SW HDi 1.6 had new cambelt, waterpump and service recently at 10 years and 70K miles - came back running like a new car. As well as new oil and filter every 8K, I add 10 litres of superdiesel every few fills, which I find smooths the running noticeably. I guess it cleans the EGR valve or turbo.

My previous car was a 306 HDi, and I remember the bolts holding the leading edge of the sump guard became unusable after 5 or 6 years, so I shaped a thin strip of wood which did the job till I traded it in.

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Thu 11 Oct 2018 11:09

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - jack.jack

As well as new oil and filter every 8K, I add 10 litres of superdiesel every few fills, which I find smooths the running noticeably. I guess it cleans the EGR valve or turbo.

I am unconvinced super diesel makes any difference to the running of a diesel engine but if its working for you that's great and appears to be a fairly cheap and reasonable preventative measure. You can use a diesel EGR Valve Cleaner which you spray in the turbo air intake.

Just on the sump wind deflector. Fashioning wood is an interesting option. I guess the wood would not deteriorate as fast as metal bolts. For me the easiest thing was to use cable ties and cut and replace whenever the deflector need to come off. Peugeot want £50 to put new bolts and bolt fixing which I don't think is good value compared to the cable ties option

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Fri 2 Nov 2018 23:52

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - jack.jack

2 minutes ago · #15

Quick update. I bought the gates water pump and timing kit, coolant and auxiliary belt for £150 and local indy garage charged labour £120 to replace timing belt, water pump, pulleys, coolant and auxiliary belt.
If your interested I pictured the old pump and timing belt. Old belt had 67,000 mile on it. Still looks new.

Pictures photos.app.goo.gl/GuEzEChjtsPFcVp57

Edited by jack.jack on 02/11/2018 at 23:53

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Wed 23 Jun 2021 23:01

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - jack.jack

Quick update. I am now 180,300 miles. Still regularly oil servicing. Only needed a new set of tyres after 50,000 back last summer. However had my front driver side suspension spring break. A bit of the spring about 4inches long has broken of where the spring is seated in the bottom cup. The majority of the spring is safely in place and the AA inspected and safe it's safe to drive and repair ASAP.

I seriously think all the pot holes and speed bumps killed the spring but then 180k is not too bad. From reading, apparently once the protective plastic peels off the spring the corrosion quite quickly kills them.

Local garage quoted for two new springs and fitting £300 without wheel alignment. Hopefully I can find a bit more reasonable quotes. Checkatraders says £45 a spring and one hour labour at £100 so I was looking for someone to repair in the region of £180. Jack

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Mon 9 Jan 2023 00:03

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - jack.jack

Another quick update. Now done 209,000. No issues to report since the front suspension spring broke. Averaging 67.8 mpg and currently got 42,000 miles out of my Michelin energy saver X. They more expensive than budget brand but last so much longer.

I think my DPF has maybe another 20,000 miles of regens before the Bosch ECU says I've reached the maximum number of regen (I believe the Bosch ECU just uses a gen count and once the set total is reach it will say 'engine fault repair required). I am thinking of just getting the DPF cleaned rather than replace. Has anyone removed the DPF (drilled it out) and remaps the ECU to delete the DPF and Eloys fluid modules?

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Mon 9 Jan 2023 01:12

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - skidpan

Has anyone removed the DPF (drilled it out) and remaps the ECU to delete the DPF and Eloys fluid modules?

It's illegal and an MOT failure.

Don't do it.

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Mon 9 Jan 2023 13:22

Peugeot 308 hdi 1.6 74000miles - Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi 74000 possible water pump - Gibbo_Wirral

Just get a replacement DPF from CATS2U, they're not dear for Peugeots and far less hassle keeping it "stock" than messing around getting it gutted and remapped.

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