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Clarkson - TedCrilly

Anyone actually surprised?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31824040

Clarkson - Sulphur Man

He's an intelligent man, but his belligerence, and inability to handle warranted criticism, has made him an anachronism. Its hard for the everyman motorist to accept his eulogising of performance cars and the joy of the open road, when the reality, and cost, of UK car ownership are the polar opposite.

Despite being in such a position of prominence for decades, he's offered virtually no support to pro-motoring groups, lobbyists or organizations whatsoever. Or perhaps they dont want to be associated with him.

I watched his face when he explained the H982FKL controversy on Pt2 of last Xmas' TG Special, and am convinced he lied. His eyes drooped away from the camera and his voice tailed off, like a boy caught with dad's brandy on his breath.

Clarkson - Glasgow26

I personally find the man to be a complete d***

Clarkson - Snakey

About time the anachronism that the BBC is was dismantled and the overpaid, overblown,anticar muppets who run it were out on their ear.

Perhaps then we'll get some decent TV without having the licence fee extorted from us. And Top Gear can be made independently and put on another channel.

I still find it beyond belief that the license fee is enforced like some kind of protection racket in our supposedly modern nation.

Clarkson - slkfanboy

Well sadly for you that top gear makes loads of money for the BBC and I guess with it likely that top gear will be scapped your license fee will go up.

So more east enders i guess!

Clarkson - Leif
Without details it is impossible to comment.

Top Gear is very popular here, and massively popular around the world, earning huge sums for Auntie Beeb. If he goes, he will surely take the others, and form Sixth Gear or whatever on another channel. It is last of the summer wine with better jokes and some cars. People don't want a dull review of a Vauxhall Corsa, if they did then there would be a mainstream car show. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

Edited by Leif on 10/03/2015 at 19:22

Clarkson - Sofa Spud

Top Gear should be scrapped and replaced by a more intelligent motoring programme that puts the subject matter centre-stage rather than the presenters.

Clarkson - daveyjp
See how long you can endure C5 classic car show for. Absolute dross.
Clarkson - Sofa Spud
See how long you can endure C5 classic car show for. Absolute dross.

It's based on the Top Gear format, that's why.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 10/03/2015 at 21:36

Clarkson - jamie745

Top Gear is very popular here, and massively popular around the world, earning huge sums for Auntie Beeb. If he goes, he will surely take the others, and form Sixth Gear or whatever on another channel.

If I'm not mistaken, Clarkson has certain ownership rights of the Top Gear name with regards to its worldwide distribution? The BBC couldn't 'sack' him from the show as such, but they could make the choice to not carry the show at all and then another broadcaster would rake in the millions instead.

They film Top Gear on a Wednesday so whatever's happened has meant they're not filming tomorrow. If there's a problem with the producer then the producer will go long before Clarkson leaves the show or Top Gear leaves the BBC.

Top Gear should be scrapped and replaced by a more intelligent motoring programme that puts the subject matter centre-stage rather than the presenters.

They used to do that show. It was called Top Gear. Had Vicky Butler Henderson on it and all sorts. Nobody watched it.

Even if people did want to watch it, isn't there room for that to exist in the World along with Top Gear? Or do you feel Top Gear has to be scrapped to force people to watch reviews of Skoda's?

Clarkson - christo

A very good alternative is on Channel 5 on Thusday at 7pm - The Classic Car Show with good old ex top gear Quentin Willson......altogether more sensible and great bits like driving a Ferrari Dino around Monaco..........very nice!

Clarkson - Leif
Jamie, just thought I'd say I agree with you.
Clarkson - Mike H

They used to do that show. It was called Top Gear. Had Vicky Butler Henderson on it and all sorts. Nobody watched it.

I think there were a few of us watched it BECAUSE it had VBH on it ;-)

Clarkson - galileo

They used to do that show. It was called Top Gear. Had Vicky Butler Henderson on it and all sorts. Nobody watched it.

I think there were a few of us watched it BECAUSE it had VBH on it ;-)

I can't bear the sight of VBH - permanently mugging at the camera thinking "aren't I wonderful", an instant turn off. And no, I wouldn't even consider it.

Clarkson - Leif
I agree. Her "I'm god's gift to mankind" gurning is annoying.
Clarkson - leef

If I'm not mistaken, Clarkson has certain ownership rights of the Top Gear name with regards to its worldwide distribution? The BBC couldn't 'sack' him from the show as such, but they could make the choice to not carry the show at all and then another broadcaster would rake in the millions instead.

Clarkson sold his 30% stake to the BBC last year, he now owns nothing, made 8.4m from his stake of Bedder6 selling to the beeb. BBC owns the rights, name lock stock and barrel. The question is, how much is "top gear" worth without Clarkson?

Clarkson - Leif

The question is, how much is "top gear" worth without Clarkson?

Hard to say. Look at Have I Got News For You. After doodah left, it became much better. It might be that the basic format could survive Clarkson's loss. But it would need someone antagonistic to the other two.

Clarkson - jamie745

It's a good question. I would say nearly all of the value in Top Gear comes from the three presenters. Without any of them it's largely worthless. The format is worth nothing. The name itself is worth nothing.

In other words, the bit the BBC own is actually worth nothing - and Clarkson made £8million out of it and people still think he's stupid.

Have I Got News For You was never as dependent on the host as Top Gear. It did get more viewers and stay very good after Deayton left, but these days its pretty gutless. It was a lot more edgey and controversial in the 90s.

The last time Clarkson left Top Gear it fell apart. The only time the show under any 'format' has had a decent following, it's had Jeremy Clarkson.

Clarkson - Leif
There are reports in an online newspaper that he punched the producer. One report stated the soirce as Radio Times. If that is true, and there is no confirmation, then I cannot see how they can continue with him as a presenter on the BBC. An irreverent joke is one thing, but ...
Clarkson - jamie745

Well until somebody has the guts to put their name to the story and name their source (sources close to... isn't good enough) then I'll personally ignore it because speculation bores me.

Even if it is true then I still think he'll continue but the producer would get a very healthy compensation package to resign 'to pursue other projects' and keep quiet.

Clarkson - Doc

Well, Clarkson makes me laugh as I have accepted that the show is not a motoring programme, but light entertainment.

I think people take it too seriously.

Clarkson - gordonbennet

His act is quite amusing, but a bit like Chubby Brown five minutes is more than enough.

The Top Gear programme itself is well past its sell by date, well overdue for a new format and new presenters maybe not quite so full of their own importance...the hairy one is the only one still bearable...the short one should never have been cast again after the Pug 1007 episode.

Clarkson - jamie745

People keep declaring it's 'past its sell by date' and that it 'should be scrapped' yet the ratings are still as strong as they've ever been with it being one of the most watched TV shows on Earth. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's finished. It just means you prefer Grand Designs.

Clarkson - Sofa Spud

People keep declaring it's 'past its sell by date' and that it 'should be scrapped' yet the ratings are still as strong as they've ever been with it being one of the most watched TV shows on Earth. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's finished. It just means you prefer Grand Designs.

At least Grand Designs is aimed at an intelligent audience.

Clarkson - Leif
I like Grand Designs, but I don't see why the audience should be particularly intelligent. It's only about some people having a nice house built. Admittedly the presenter has charm.
Clarkson - Andrew-T

Perhaps as in other things, one should not overestimate the taste of the British watching public?

Edited by Andrew-T on 10/03/2015 at 23:01

Clarkson - xtrailman

According to the news today 2 million people watch top gear, so thats 68 million that don't.

Says it all really.

Clarkson - Mike H

The Top Gear programme itself is well past its sell by date, well overdue for a new format and new presenters maybe not quite so full of their own importance...the hairy one is the only one still bearable...the short one should never have been cast again after the Pug 1007 episode.

Never bothered watching after they changed the original format, TBH that was what it should have been about for me. Never got back into it after they turned it into a bunch of grown-up kids having a fun time.

Clarkson - Leif
The Independent and the Guardian are reporting that he was suspended so they could investigate the allegation of assault.
Clarkson - Doc

From the Guardian site:

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Pulling the show is likely to have huge consequences for the BBC, which earns more than £150m in revenue for its commercial arm, BBC Worldwide.


Clarkson - Leif
Aye, foreigners love it, killing it would surely be seen as a racist and/or xenophobic act by narrow minded bigots. We need to be more diverse and open.
Clarkson - drd63

Jamie 745 and Leif, good to see some intelligent comment, Top Gear pulls in something like 6m viewers, highest rated BBC2 show earns millions for the BBC. Why on earth would the BBC change the format? Personally I love the show and were I in the fortunate position of being a presenter would much rather be careering about in super cars and undertaking fun challenges than comparing leg room or mpg of some dull mainstream car. You can go online to do that. The simple fact is the format works.

Clarkson - Ethan Edwards

Change.org petition to Reinstate Clarkson has over 75,000 people in four hours. The enemy of my enemy the leftie BBC, is my friend.

Clarkson - focussed

If the nancy boys at the BBC are too stupid to realise that Top Gear and Jezza are popular and bigger than they are, and that they pull in massive revenue for the BBC it's high time that Jezza took it to another channel-perhaps that is his end game? Who knows?

Did he actually chin the t*** then?-we should be told!!!

Clarkson - Andrew-T

Well until somebody has the guts to put their name to the story and name their source (sources close to... isn't good enough) then I'll personally ignore it because speculation bores me.

Jamie, are you sure you can always distinguish truth from speculation?

Clarkson - Smileyman

Let us suppose there is an accusation of a punch being thrown. Certainly such action would be wrong, and there are no two ways about it, it cannot be ignored. But first it must be investigated and not just 'did you punch' but to ascertain why such a violent outburst may have occured.

A different question would be whether it would be right for a person guilty of such action to sacked only to go to a different TV channel and end up in competition... example a sportsman who bites opponents ....

Clarkson - jamie745

Miserable detractors here will say TG isn't 'intelligent' but what you really want is boring. Honest John is a useful website but you couldn't make a worldwide smash hit TV show out of it because only four blokes and a dog would watch it. I'd rather watch the 'Hammond stranded' feature than a road test of a French diesel hatchback. That nonsense is for the practical real world, stuff you look up because you have to not because you want to. Who the hell wants that on a Sunday night!?

If there is any demand for this 'intelligent motoring show' then someone would be broadcasting it but they're not. What does that tell you?

Fact is Top Gear is too big for the BBC to handle. It makes them too much money to risk losing it and Clarkson has more ownership rights than they do, which puts them over a barrel. They've never liked that dynamic and they did retake control of the production firm but they still can't risk losing the show. It'll be back on next week, maybe with a new producer, most likely with a comic feature laughing it off.

Clarkson - Sofa Spud

What's needed instead of the tired old format of Top Gear and other semi copy-cat TV car programmes is an intelligent and informative programme that concentrates on the cars or or other motoring topics with less emphasis on the presenters and their egos.

Fair enough, Top Gear might have a big international following, but what about all those people like me who don't normally watch it but would watch a proper motoring programme that credits its viewers with at least some intelligence.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 11/03/2015 at 08:08

Clarkson - Trilogy

Can't see TG disappearing. This is all good publicity of the show.

Clarkson - Andrew-T

Can't see TG disappearing. This is all good publicity of the show.

Perhaps all they need do is rename the show Strictly Driving or I'm a Motormouth or the like - then those of us who remember the original TG would have more realistic expectations?

Clarkson - Snakey

Miserable detractors here will say TG isn't 'intelligent' but what you really want is boring. Honest John is a useful website but you couldn't make a worldwide smash hit TV show out of it because only four blokes and a dog would watch it. I'd rather watch the 'Hammond stranded' feature than a road test of a French diesel hatchback. That nonsense is for the practical real world, stuff you look up because you have to not because you want to. Who the hell wants that on a Sunday night!?

If there is any demand for this 'intelligent motoring show' then someone would be broadcasting it but they're not. What does that tell you?

Fact is Top Gear is too big for the BBC to handle. It makes them too much money to risk losing it and Clarkson has more ownership rights than they do, which puts them over a barrel. They've never liked that dynamic and they did retake control of the production firm but they still can't risk losing the show. It'll be back on next week, maybe with a new producer, most likely with a comic feature laughing it off.

I think that sums it up nicely!

Clarkson - xtrailman

It wount be back on next week, or the week after.

Clarkson - FP

"Anyone actually surprised?"

Yes - in a way, since physical violence doesn't seem part of what he does.

The man is a fool, despite some people claiming him to be intelligent. His journalism fits his image of politically-incorrect, boorish loud-mouth and the popularity of Top Gear rests on adolescent japes and outrageous comments.

For me, it's vaguely entertaining at best, but I can't take more than a few minutes of it and I'm totally indifferent about the programme's future.

Granted, the BBC may have shot itself in the foot, considering Top Gear's popularity. Somebody may have decided Clarkson is more of a liability than an asset - perhaps rashly.

Edited by FP on 11/03/2015 at 08:34

Clarkson - madf

Compared to any game show - or reality show like Big Brother - TG appeals to the intelligensia only. You need some IQ to understand and appreciate it...

BBC getting its PC knickers in a twist...

PS : I stopped watching TG a decade ago as it was too highbrow :-)

Clarkson - Leif

Compared to any game show - or reality show like Big Brother - TG appeals to the intelligensia only. You need some IQ to understand and appreciate it...

I thought the Mexican rant was knowingly stringing together as many cliches as possible, and any sensible person would realise it was making fun of the cliches, not Mexicans. Surely no sensible person would every really think they meant it? Apparently I am wrong.

BBC getting its PC knickers in a twist...

There is a cartoon by Steve Bell of the Guardian today or yesterday, showing Clarson with what I think is Cameron in his top pocket. And others complain about the supposed right wing nature of TG. Well, colour me surprised, but listen to BBC comedy programmes such as The News Quiz, and you will hear a stream of left wing propaganda from Jeremy Hardy et al. I don't complain, it's very funny. I know it is humour.

PS : I stopped watching TG a decade ago as it was too highbrow :-)

Clarkson - FP

"... physical violence doesn't seem part of what he does."

I should correct myself. Clarkson does have form in this. Apparently he punched Piers Morgan in 2004.

A bit like stamping on vermin, maybe, but nonetheless legally an assault.

Some "sources" are saying that in this latest hoo-ha Clarkson did not physically assault anyone.

Edited by FP on 11/03/2015 at 10:32

Clarkson - Leif

"... physical violence doesn't seem part of what he does."

I should correct myself. Clarkson does have form in this. Apparently he punched Piers Morgan in 2004.

A bit like stamping on vermin, maybe, but nonetheless legally an assault.

I don't think anyone would condone cruelty to animals.

Clarkson - brum

This looks like a ploy to launch his "contract up for grabs time".

His contract ends this month and with a carefully planned PR exercise that sees hundreds of thousands alledgedly signing up to a petition to reinstate him (I wonder who thought of / started that ?), conditions will be optimised for a bidding war between SKY (who is desperate to have him and will offer him the bank), ITV and the BBC plus others.

This will launch him into the super league paywise of presenters and stakeholders.

Its a desperately unfair world when stunts like these can be used to manipulate people for an individual's monetary advantage on a collosal scale.

Clarkson - Trilogy

I can see them going to Sky. I can imagine JC is fed up with BBC while they are becoming exasperated with him. Could be a good time for the three of them to move on and rejuvenate the format of the programme. Much of it IS good. Just getting a bit tired with them resorting to complete and utter rubbish.

Clarkson - Leif

I can see them going to Sky. I can imagine JC is fed up with BBC while they are becoming exasperated with him. Could be a good time for the three of them to move on and rejuvenate the format of the programme. Much of it IS good. Just getting a bit tired with them resorting to complete and utter rubbish.

Remove the complete and utter rubbish and it'd be a bit short! I think some people over intellectualise TG. It is three aging bufoons having a 'larf', and making themselves look like complete idiots. Some of the current series were very good, some less so such as the Peugeot nonsense, I feel they thought that they had a good idea, but it just didn't pan out.

If they went to Sky, wouldn't that massively reduce the audience size? I'd not watch. (Not that I consitute a large proportion of the audience mass. You know what I mean.)

Clarkson - brum

If they went to Sky, wouldn't that massively reduce the audience size? I'd not watch. (Not that I consitute a large proportion of the audience mass. You know what I mean.)

You obviously don't understand Sky's commercial model. Its not about entertainment, artistic, journalistic, or broadcasting standards, its about one thing.....making money. Look at the money the BBC has made from TG and plug that into an investment model.

By monopolising prime content they capture new highly lucrative subscribers that once caught find it hard to leave and can be milked. My son paid £30 per month last year and now has to pay £40 per month for the same content, but he says its worth it?Making the competition weaker drives the punters into their arms.

The broadcast rights continue to earn megadollars for decades, distribution revenue, advertising revenue and stock value. They get cuts from merchandising and don't forget all broadcasters and that includes ISPs do deals to rebroadcast their material.

Copyright for ever and a day is a nice little earner, ask Disney.

Clarkson - Leif

brum, I do understand that Sky is about money, but I am assuming Clarkson likes having a big audience, and is not simply into trousering as much as possible. Of course I might be wrong ...

Clarkson - corax

Much of it IS good.

Hats off to the team that organise the filming locations and shots.

Whatever you think of the three stooges, the driving roads and car photography are utterly magnificent.

Clarkson - FP

"This looks like a ploy..."

You are so cynical.

But quite possibly correct.

Clarkson - skidpan

So if I punch my boss when I next negotiate a pay rise it will theoretically put me in a stronger position to get much improved contract.

In the real world I think not.

But more proof that TV personalities live in a parrallel universe.

Clarkson - brum

When you get millions of fans behind you, willing to pay money to watch you, any publicity is good publicity.

In your case however......

Clarkson - Ben 10
Clarkson sold his share a few years ago. And the money it makes is a drop in the ocean compared to the licence fee money the BBC generates. What cheeses many people off is his arrogant attitude to the incident by making jokes or laughing it off. If he was a bit more apologetic, I might see a different side to him. Fact is he's a total scrote. Won't admit on numerous issues when he's genuinely in the wrong. When he does on the odd occasion it doesn't come across as genuine. Hope they ditch the programme and give it to SKY. Right where it belongs. Clarkson and Murdoch are from the same political stable and would make great bed fellows. They deserve one another. If the BBC is so left wing, as some suggest on here, why wasn't TG dropped years ago. Clarkson has been given so much rope by them to hang himself well before now. And as for the other two...............
Clarkson - Sofa Spud

People go on about the popularity of Top Gear but what about the potentil audience for a more sensible programme on road transport. That works with other subject areas like gardening or cookery programmes - OK, some of those presenters are annoying too, but at least they generally try to make the programme informative. Imagine a cookery programme where the to Masterchef presenters tested rival ovens by seeing which could burn a pie to the blackest charcoal in 30 minutes. That's about the level of Top Gear.

Clarkson - NARU

I'd love to see Sabine Scmitz replace Clarkson. Talented and funny.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabine_Schmitz

Clarkson - Ben 10
Me too
Clarkson - jamie745

I still think it's a storm in a teacup.

The BBC has made millions out of Clarkson being controversial. They want him to go on light entertainment shows, proclaiming trade unionists should be shot in front of their families because it raises Top Gear's profile.

When Clarkson is controversial, people watch and the BBC make money. They've been quite happy for him to do it for years so they can't have it both ways and change their minds now.

Clarkson - Trilogy

Mr747, I can see your point. The problem is that JC is a repeat offender, for want of a better way of putting it. TG will continue in one format or another, whether or not it is on BBC. If Jeremy does go I can't see Ricahrd and James staying.

Clarkson - jamie745

He may be a 'repeat offender' but that's what the BBC want! They've trousered millions out of his repeat offending down the years. Most of his 'controversy' is heavily contrived and brilliantly well timed - usually just before Top Gear is due back on air.

His 'repeat offending' has suited the BBC for years. They love it. They probably even tell him to do it. Some of his controversies have been so weak and limp wristed that they'd have never made the news if it was May or Hammond, but because it's Clarkson it's big news.

They can't have it both ways.

Clarkson - Sulphur Man

I'd second that. Sabine is excellent, and what a driver.

He's a 54-yr old father who thinks it necessary to punch a BBC employee due to lack of hot food on a (free) catering wagon. Good riddance. Although its depressing that 650000 people can sign a peition of support for that kind of behaviour.

Not much support from his co-presenters though is there....

Clarkson has never, ever worked for a commercial broadcaster. Sure the show is repeated on Dave, but ad breaks ruin its flow, because its not devised for a commerical tv

His ego could never stoop to editing 3 min ad breaks into his productions, once every 13mins 29 sec. He'd rather eat his own excrement that have a new TG bumpered with advertising, or worse, sponsored by Halfords.

BBC should call his bluff and say begone with the show, take it to commercial broadcasters, we dont want to know anymor

Edited by Sulphur Man on 12/03/2015 at 12:01

Clarkson - oldroverboy.

Never mind the alleged actions, Shame filmng had finished for the day, and I get quite grumpy when i miss my kruschens...

I would pay to have watched THAT>>>>

Clarkson - Trilogy

Taken from The Guardian.

Jeremy Clarkson, voice of the people/mega-sized tool (delete as appropriate to you, dear reader) has, you might have heard, got himself into a spot of trouble – again! The wee scamp. He’s such a rebel, you know. It’s really great to have Jeremy fighting in our corner for that under-represented demographic, the self-entitled, middle-aged white man who just wants to beat up on those in a less privileged position than him – from ethnic minorities to a producer who, we are now told, failed to provide Jezza’s din-dins on demand.

The blogger Guido Fawkes, a true revolutionary firebrand if there ever was one, has already started a petition to bring back Clarkson, and I personally could not applaud this more. I think we in Britain can all feel a little bit of pride in the fact that, at the time of writing, about half a million people have signed a petition demanding the reinstatement of an insanely wealthy man who is alleged to have physically assaulted a junior colleague.

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Sure, the world might have laughed at Christian Bale when he lost his temper to a hilarious extent at a director of photography in 2009. But when a towering mega-talent such as Clarkson gets suspended for throwing a punch at a producer when he doesn’t get fed, well, I think we all have to stand back and say, “Political correctness has just gone too far in this country!”

As many commenters have already pointed out on the Times website – a website where they have to pay to leave such words of wisdom, remember – Top Gear is literally the only show on television for men. The only one! Honestly, the rest of the TV schedule is just overrun with middle-aged women talking about feminism and vaginas, 24/7. To get rid of Jeremy is just part and parcel of the feminazi thought-police tactics that are strangling this country, and it’s unacceptable.

I think what Jeremy’s detractors (which probably means you, you pinko Guardian readers) are missing when they run him down is that the man is, in fact, a genius. Granted, he does not talk, act or look like one, but let’s look at this in detail. I once assumed that, like tripe and the appeal of the Gallagher brothers, Clarkson was something that appealed only to British people. Like most airy assumptions I make about the human race, I soon learned that this one was based purely on my own narcissistic naivety.

But the deeply lucrative global popularity of Top Gear is not our subject today. Rather, Clarkson’s genius lies in his skill at styling himself as the maverick, the unfairly maligned, say-it-like-it-is outsider, when the only way he could be more inside is if he gave himself a proctology exam. He is the Nigel Farage of TV presenters: just as Farage (public-school educated former banker married to a German) presents himself as the man of the European Union-loathing people, so Clarkson styles himself as the decent geezer who has the terrible misfortune to work for the Thought Police – I mean the BBC – who keep trying to tamp him down.

And yet I really am struggling to think of anyone else who has repeatedly used racial slurs on international TV and still brought home an estimated £3m annual earnings. It is absolutely in character that Clarkson is, judging from his larky Twitter feed, absolutely revelling in his suspension, because it feeds into this pose of his, just as media attacks on Ukip feed into that of Nigel Farage.

At least in the US, when you come across a self-styled outsider politician he is genuinely out there, like Ron Paul

I don’t know if this insider-as-faux-outsider is a uniquely British trick, but it is one that is remarkably effective here (see also Russell Brand). At least in the US, when you come across a self-styled outsider politician he is, for better or worse, genuinely out there, like the loopy libertarian Ron Paul, with his belief that heroin should be decriminalised – not an old Etonian and Oxbridge graduate like Boris Johnson.

Just as a quick reminder– think of this as the York Notes to Jeremy Clarkson, media studies students – Jeremy Clarkson is the highest paid presenter at the BBC, not a corporation known for stinting on the salaries of its star presenters (producers expected to provide food for such well-remunerated presenters get, one suspects, slightly smaller pay cheques). When the BBC bought out Clarkson’s stake in the production company specifically set up to make more money out of Top Gear’s endless commercial opportunities, he was given so much cash he probably could have built a car out of £100 notes. And, you know, it would have driven better than a Japanese car – amirite, Jezza?! The only surprising element to this latest development in the story that I call The Picaresque Adventures of Jeremy is that the BBC finally found the gumption to actually suspend him, its deeply valued cash cow. Still, at least the Clarkson saga has taught us where the BBC draws its line in the sand: racism, OK; physical violence, not OK.

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David: So I was on the phone yesterday with my good mate Barry Obama –

Jeremy: Rebekah, do you think the Sun would have a recording? I’d love to listen to it with Elisabeth’s father.

Everyone: Oh Jeremy! Hahaha!

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Charlie: More fizz, anybody?

Alex: Has anyone tried my cheese yet? It’s made from the milk of French cows –

Jeremy: Yes, and like all things French it’s limpwristed and useless. If a German was here it would immediately surrender itself.

Everyone: Oh, Jeremy! Hahaha!

Jeremy: Seriously, that cheese is about as effective as a Citroën. If the Third Reich took over Chipping Norton … [continues and repeats joke forever].

So, I come here not to bury Jeremy Clarkson – the endeavour would be impossible, for the man is like Piers Morgan in his Teflon tendencies. Rather, I come to celebrate him and his lucrative talent at playing the outsider on the inside. Do not weep for his departure, Britain. With his political nous, not to mention his circle of friends, he’ll probably be the new MP for Kensington and Chelsea. Keep it real, Jeremy!

Clarkson - xtrailman

Lets hope he gone for good.

Clarkson - Leif
Whoever wrote that has a huge chip on each shoulder.

As I've said, the BBC is rife with left wing bigots, such as Jeremy Hardy and Marcus Brigstocke to name but two. Has the BBC ever censored them for saying Tories are scum? Of course not. Even though those people believe it. Recent half hour broadcasts by Brigstocke on R4 were no more than extreme left wing propaganda masquerading as humour. Clarkson makes a joke about lorry drivers, which anyone knows he does not intend to be a real comment, and the PC fascists go wild. Any fool knew he was joking, and it was hilarious. The only incident that was ill judged was using the term slope, which I did not know, but apparently is like wog. Very poor judgement in my opinion. But then sometimes when I hear the stream of invective from Brigstocke, I get angry. Apply his comments to Asians, and he would be in serious trouble. It is hardly surprising Lord McAlpine suffered at the pens of so many 'caring' trendy lefties. I think most of them are to thick to see irony, or wit, or too quick to make themselves appear saintly by attacking the 'nasty' white rich male.

Here endeth the rant, amen.
Clarkson - RicardoB

A real shame that this "tired format of a show" (according to some but last week pulled in 6million+ viewers in the UK) has been taken for ransom by the lefties.

The complainant for all we know might be a Grauniad/Mirror reading PC leftie who, like many within "our"(!) BBC realises that Clarkson is quite probably further to the right than them, and sensed that he might say too much as we get nearer the election.

Bet the producer is pleased with himself.

(Bit surprised that Clarkson and the other originators of what is a very entertaining format would have appointed such a person. But then that could be the famous BBC balance and impartiality coming into play)

Clarkson - RobJP

It's quite amusing, reading all these thoughts.

To those that say 'Let's get rid of JC et al, and put on a 'real' motoring show : After JC left Top Gear in the late 1990s, it fell apart. Ratings plummeted, eventually one of the presenters got convicted for drink driving. Major 'Oops' there. So the BBC canned it. The other presenters (Tiff, VBH, etc) and tech people left to go to 'Fifth Gear' on Channel 5. Where they started doing a 'real' motoring show.

How successful has it been ? Well, answer truthfully. On what day of the week, and at what time, it is aired ?

Very few people can answer that. I certainly can't, and I'm a self-confessed petrolhead.

Top Gear (mag, TV, DVD specials, the live shows, etc), brings in a profit to the BBC of about £150 million a year. About 3-4% of the BBC's global income. It is watched, in it's various guises, by at least 5% of the population of the planet.

If JC leaves Top Gear, then you can bet that Sky will be knocking on his door. May and Hammond will probably go the same way. Then, you'll get the BBC trying to foist some left-wing, car-hating, cyclist, lentil-munching lesbian as the main host, and the prog dies within a year. Bingo. TG dies, the new show "More Powerrr!!!" is a raging success, the BBC loses out on that money, which goes to Sky. Clarkson makes even more millions, and the BBC then scrap what little decent programming they do, as they have lost out on that money. Either that or they come cap-in-hand to us, the licence fee payers.

People think that Clarkson is an oaf. A fool. If you think you're more intelligent than someone, then you've just made it incredibly easy for them to pull the wool over your eyes.

Clarkson has made a lot of money by seeming to be stupid. For someone who wasn't trained as an actor, he's played that role brilliantly. So well, that he's quietly made tens of millions out of it.

Clarkson - Avant

I agree, Rob. Top Gear is entertainment, and very successful at it. Other motoring TV programmes don't come close - I think that's because TV isn't the right medium for road tests.

To cover as much detail as you need for a useful road test, the amount of information would send viewers to sleep.

Clarkson - Bromptonaut

A real shame that this "tired format of a show" (according to some but last week pulled in 6million+ viewers in the UK) has been taken for ransom by the lefties.

Really?

The complainant for all we know might be a Grauniad/Mirror reading PC leftie who, like many within "our"(!) BBC realises that Clarkson is quite probably further to the right than them, and sensed that he might say too much as we get nearer the election.

Bet the producer is pleased with himself.

He's a mid ranking employee charged with 'directing' star performers who earn n times his salary and have a massive public profile. Some of them are prima donnas who manage to combine not suffering fools gladly with seeing fools everywhere.

One of them kicks off because he's got fed a cold buffet instead of a hot meal. As you're new to role he's particulaly keen to establish a hierarchy wher he's the 'alpha male'. You try and reason but he gets aggressive and lamps you.

What happens next?

Clarkson - dan86

He wasn't new to the role the producer in question has been there for some time.

Clarkson - Leif

I don't think it's fair to make assumptions about the producer, or to attack his character.

And I speak as someone who thinks the BBC has a distinct left of centre leaning.

Clarkson - xtrailman

According to the BBC news top gear only has around 2 million viewers, be it 2 or 6 its still a tiny figure considering the uk has over 70 million population.

Clarkson - RobJP

According to the BBC news top gear only has around 2 million viewers, be it 2 or 6 its still a tiny figure considering the uk has over 70 million population.

Top Gear worldwide has an audience of roughly 350 million. That's in the various forms that they make in different countries, along with the GB version being dubbed and broadcast abroad too.

In addition, Top Gear has the live shows, the magazines, the DVD sales, all sorts of merchandising. That all adds up to putting in the region of £150 million into the BBC. Which is in the regiuon of 3-4% of the BBCs total spend.

In addition to this, the BBC enters into contracts with broadcasters around the world to supply Top Gear to them. Failure to complete those contracts will almost certainly cost the BBC a considerable sum of money.

The BBC appears to be currently attempting to slay the goose that lays the golden eggs ...

Clarkson - Snakey

About time the BBC stopped using state enforced theft to fund programs, then we'll see how cocky they are about cancelling very profitable programs.

For me, the BBC can disappear for all I care. Most TV these days is trash or lightweight entertainment, and thats what I expect of it. If I want intelligence or information I still read a book.

How come the BBC didn't cancel Eastenders, one of their stars shot someone if I remember correctly....

Clarkson - alan1302

How come the BBC didn't cancel Eastenders, one of their stars shot someone if I remember correctly....

You don't remember correctly on that one.

Clarkson - Snakey

Leslie Grantham did time in prison in germany for a shooting during a bodged robbery.

Clarkson - brum

My son works in broadcasting. An assistant producer is basically a dogs body to organise things like catering, accommodation, transport, sorting last minute problems, a messenger, just a few rungs above a runner. Assistant [anyone] in broadcast are very low positions. Should be called assistant to the producer more accurately. Clarkson is the (bullying) boss here.

Believe me, this is all a PR stunt. Notice no mention of apology or reason for the delay in reporting - they were working on the strategy.

Bet the assistant producer will continue to work with Clarksons company as long as it exists.

Edited by brum on 12/03/2015 at 13:24

Clarkson - alan1302

Leslie Grantham did time in prison in germany for a shooting during a bodged robbery.

That was in the 60's/70's before Eastenders and he served his time in prison for it. So they would not have cancelled Eastenders as everything happened beforehand.

Clarkson - xtrailman

Sorry but 350 million world wide from a population of over 7 BILLION, is insignificant.

Clarkson - brum

Sorry but 350 million world wide from a population of over 7 BILLION, is insignificant.

what a silly comment! Over 80% of the worlds population lives in abject poverty on less than $10 per day. 26% of the worlds population is aged under 15.

Do you really think that everyone in the world including infants, OAPs and people struggling to make ends meet even have or watch a television?

Motoring show Top Gear has been crowned the world's Most widely watched factual TV programme in the new Guinness World Record 2013 Edition book.

The show's incredible audience covers 212 territories around the world from Ghana to Guatemala, Moldova to Myanmar.

Edited by brum on 12/03/2015 at 15:45

Clarkson - Leif

This is interesting:

www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/top-gear/11463785/I-l...l

It is a straightforward argument that he is in real life actually quite a nice chap, unlike many TV stars, and indicates that for decades the BBC protected paedophiles, whilst excoriating those who are right of centre.

Who would you want to be marooned on a desert island with? Polly Toynbee or Clarkson?

Clarkson - Ben 10
Toynbee. She'd be a better shag than Clarkson.
Clarkson - sandy56

Why are so many people wanting to comment on the bad behaviour of an overgrown overpaid idiot.

He should have been fired last year.

Clarkson - xtrailman

Even the poor have smart phones, i really don't know where you have come to the conclusion that 80% live in poverty.?

Fact is far more people do not turn on to watch top gear, than do, considerably more.

Clarkson - jamie745

Sorry but 350 million world wide from a population of over 7 BILLION, is insignificant.

Well that's just a pathetic comment because 5 billion of those 7 billion don't have a television.

350 million from 2 billion is significant.

Show me a TV show which gets more.

Clarkson - xtrailman

Only 350million from 2 billion is only 17.5% assuming your figures are accurate which i doubt.

So hardly significant, more like insignificant.

From wiki

"Nielsen Media Research that between 4.7 billion and 5 billion individual viewers (or around 70% of the world's 7-billion human population)"

"over 150 countries worldwide and watched by at least 6.5 billion viewers (more than 90% of the world's 7-billion human population"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_watched_television_broadcasts

I rest my case.

Edited by xtrailman on 14/03/2015 at 08:47

Clarkson - jamie745

If that's the sort of case you'll rest we can see why you're not a lawyer. That article is about one off TV broadcasts so it's a completely different subject. No objective person would compare TG's viewing figure significance to a World Cup Final. You're basically scrabbling around hunting for anything to cling to which makes out nobody watches Top Gear.

I'm sorry but people do watch it. The fact you don't like it doesn't change that. You could make many arguments worth debating about TG but trying to make out it's viewing figures are tiny is pathetic.

The official viewership is 350 million (which is a much bigger following than you'll ever get) but with the Internet wading into the equation nobody really knows who's watching anything. Compare it to other shows broadcast globally and in syndication - such as Lost, 24, stuff like that - and you'll see its one of the biggest. Probably the only thing close to it right now is The Walking Dead.

Clarkson - xtrailman

I'm sorry but you are obviously not man enough to admit your statements were incorrect.

The world will go on without top gear and JC.

That he is a personality isnt in question, but his popularity is, thats my point, you love him, i dislike him, and people like him.

Its very easy to belittle, bully and generally arrogantly strut around, and some people obviously find that appealing, i don't and i'm in the majority, and by a long way.

Clarkson - jamie745

Again your statistical analysis is bogus because you can apply that logic to anything. There will always be more people in the world who don't watch something than who do. You're still including third world countries with no electricity or water in 'people who don't watch top gear.'

Do you honestly believe every person who doesn't watch it actively dislikes it the same as you?

Again ive asked you to compare it's viewing figures to other shows and you can't be bothered.

Edited by jamie745 on 15/03/2015 at 10:01

Clarkson - xtrailman

No i'm not the link mentions people watching TV, not living in mud huts.

I think you should read the link before making bogus comments.

Time to man up pal.

Clarkson - Leif
Your views are intolerant and uninformed. I loathe football and Strictly Come Dancing, but I never make stupid petty remarks that because only a few million watch them, they are insignificant and there is no need for them. These days there is naff all worth watching on the Beeb, I think that is all I watch.

Incidentally, Clarkson writes the scripts including the gags. Sometimes it is very funny, sometimes not.
Clarkson - jamie745

'Take it off TV because I don't like it' is the attitude coming through here.

Most televisions come with a remote control capable of removing programming you do not wish to view from your screen.

Clarkson - Leif

'Take it off TV because I don't like it' is the attitude coming through here.

Most televisions come with a remote control capable of removing programming you do not wish to view from your screen.

Is there one to add watchable programmes? There's nowt today. Nowt tomorrow unless Wheeler Dealers is one I've not seen.

Clarkson - xtrailman

There are all insignificant, thats why we have a variety to chose from.

There isn't a program or one person that cannot be replaced.

I have watched Andrew marr and sunday politics, F1 highlights and match of the day, so i get my monies worth.

And i dont have to post person comments to make my point.

Edited by xtrailman on 15/03/2015 at 18:33

Clarkson - Leif

And i dont have to post person comments to make my point.

You mean like "Time to man up pal" ? That personal attack on another poster provoked my comment. Anyway, some of the reports of what Clarkson is supposed to have said and done are appalling. And yet hotel staff and other guests said they saw no violence.

Clarkson - Smileyman

Still think if he did do wrong a period of suspension then return to work is the appropriate way forwards (perhaps plus a fine) - BBC would be mad to allow him to go to anywhere else, either UK or overseas

Clarkson - Trilogy

Some say, as Jeremy would start in descibing The Stig, that it was just a scuffle. You do wonder if it has been blown out of proportion. Apparently JC is intensely relaxed about the situation.

Clarkson - jamie745

Anybody who seriously believes Jeremy Clarkson will be 'sacked' is mad. The talent always comes out on top. World class footballers can bite three people then get a £200,000 a week deal at Barcelona.

If the BBC do let Top Gear go, it'll be one of the most expensive decisions ever made by BBC bosses and I don't even think the BBC are stupid enough to do it.

Clarkson - madf

Anybody who seriously believes Jeremy Clarkson will be 'sacked' is mad. The talent always comes out on top. World class footballers can bite three people then get a £200,000 a week deal at Barcelona.

If the BBC do let Top Gear go, it'll be one of the most expensive decisions ever made by BBC bosses and I don't even think the BBC are stupid enough to do it.

Stupid? No

Politically Correct enough? Yes.

And Clarkson is a Tory. So that's unacceptable. Tories are evil...

Paedophiles are warm and fluffy compared to Tories.

(Edit: someone's reported this as offensive, but I think it was meant as a tongue-in-cheek dig at the impression given by some parts of the BBC, rather than an actual comment. This forum is apolitical.)

Edited by Avant on 13/03/2015 at 14:41

Clarkson - Leif

Do you remember a R4 programme called Heresy? The idea was for some celebs and comics to attack the current accepted views. In reality they all seemed to hold the same established middle class trendy leftie views.

What about The Archers? The most bizarre mix of political correctness and 1950's Britain, where the successful people speak posh, the unsuccessful ones have regional accents, the stronger the accent, the thicker the speaker, and women are largely confined to subservient roles, mainly housewives.

Or Jeremy Hardy Speaks to the Nation?

Or Marcus Brigstockes half hour rants?

Clarkson is posh, rich and successful. Burn the evil monster!

Clarkson - Trilogy

Clarkson was born in Doncaster to travelling salesman Edward Grenville Clarkson and teacher Shirley Gabrielle Ward.

Clarkson - RobJP

Clarkson was born in Doncaster to travelling salesman Edward Grenville Clarkson and teacher Shirley Gabrielle Ward.

Doesn't matter. He could have been born to a lesbian black couple (both social workers), been too poor to have a bucket to p*** in, have gone to the worst 'sink' comprehensive in the country, and eat lentils all day.

He's successful, and that, on it's own, is a hanging offence to the BBC (British Broadcasting Communists). The fact that he's right-wing, and not scared to speak his mind, even if that means causing offence, just means they can draw and quarter him too.

Clarkson - Leif

"Paedophiles are warm and fluffy compared to Tories.."

Your post made me think about the big name kiddie fiddlers:

Savile: BBC presenter. Avoided trial.

Stuart Hall: BBC presenter. Jailed.

Rolf Harris: BBC Presenter. Jailed.

Michael Souter: BBC presenter. Jailed.

Fred Talbot: Granada weather man. Jailed.

There have been a few rock stars too, notably Paul Gadd and Ian Watkins, as well as Max Clifford. But I think Auntie Beeb holds her on in the depravity count.

Clarkson - madf

You are aware that no-one in the BBC knew a thing about sexual exploitation of youth?

Not "alleged " exploitation because it was so well hidden that it was never "alleged"..

If it had been a private company, then the heads of the BBC and the BBC Trust would be dragged in front of a select committee of MPs and berated...for knowing nothing and turning a blind eye to events under their noses.

Just like the former HSBC risk head - now of the BBC Trust - was berated by Ms Hodge.. m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31799405 (she was a former banker and so was fair game).

Of course, avoiding tax is a far more heinous crime than sexually assaulting a few hundred children so the MPs and the BBC have set their priorities right...

Edited by madf on 13/03/2015 at 14:50

Clarkson - Leif

You are aware that no-one in the BBC knew a thing about sexual exploitation of youth?

Not "alleged " exploitation because it was so well hidden that it was never "alleged"..

The BBC was rife with rumours concerning Savile. I think one person who later became a presenter said he had 'concerns' (saw things, or suspected things), but dare not speak out as he would have committed career suicide. It is easy to have contempt for these people, but how many of us are brave enough to lose our means to earn an income? Savile was powerful. People DID complain about Savile (not necessarily at the BBC though) and were ignored or told to shut up. Hall was well known as a sex pest. I've heard women from the BBC state that he was a known predator. Well hidden?

Clarkson - madf

Thnaks Avant. It was tongue in cheek. Someone clearly has had a sense of humour surgically excised or is having a bad day....

Clarkson - Avant

Once again the BBC have proved themselves to be masters of the own goal. Because of their over-reaction, this issue is now much more about the BBC than it is about Jeremy Clarkson.

Clarkson is just what he seems - a very effective journalist and presenter who from time to time gets his mouth (in this case his fist) in gear before his brain. He'd done a long day's work for the BBC, arrived in a hotel where the producer could and should have arranged a late meal, found there wasn't one, and took it out on the producer - in quite the wrong way but the annoyance is understandable. And then he had the guts to report the incident himself.

Clarkson - groaver

It's from 2011 but Mr Coogan nails it for me:

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2011/feb/05/top-g...n

Clarkson - Trilogy

Avant, we don't actually know if he did hit the other person. I have read it was some pushing and shoving.

There are some occassions where the blame should not be entirely on JC, but also on the producers. These trips obviously have many hours of footage, yet a small proportion is aired. I can imagine there have been other indiscretions that are not shown. If they wanted to they didn't have to show the 'slope' incident. Yet they did. Quite why????

Clarkson - Leif

It's from 2011 but Mr Coogan nails it for me:

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2011/feb/05/top-g...n

Thanks, I laughed out loud on reading the quotes. Only someone who has not read Mexican cartoons could be offended. It is no more than stringing together of numerous cliches about Mexico. It is like saying that the British all wear bowler hats, get drunk, and beat people up at football matches. If you wanted to offend Mexicans, you'd refer to the horrendous drug wars, with headless bodies, and large scale massacres. By the way, Kazahkstan was offended b Borat. Until they saw that tourism had soared. Then they changed their mind. Of course if you picked on people with learning problems, or the disabled, that'd be different. In fact I bet some BBC executives snort Peruvian marching powder, thereby supporting drug wars, obviously not as bad as some childish jokes.

Clarkson - Ben 10

www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/chris-evans-replace-je...2
Clarkson - RobJP

This actually came up on Chris Evans' breakfast show on Radio 2 the other day, and he said that he had no desire or interest in presenting Top Gear, and that he much prefers watching 'the buffoons' fooling around.

Of course, that might change. But it's not as if he's short of a few quid, the BBC can't exactly bribe him into doing the job, can they.

Clarkson - Dwight Van Driver

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Edited by Dwight Van Driver on 14/03/2015 at 14:49

Clarkson - jamie745

People say Clarkson is a complete knob, then tout Steve Coogan for his job?

Give me strength. Coogan is one of the most prejudiced, unlikeable people on television.

Clarkson - alan1302

People say Clarkson is a complete knob, then tout Steve Coogan for his job?

Give me strength. Coogan is one of the most prejudiced, unlikeable people on television.

But he's popular.

Clarkson - jamie745

Is he? Amongst whom?

Jeremy Clarkson and Top Gear have a smash hit worldwide following to the extent where there's almost no civilised country in which they're not recognised.

Does Coogan?

Clarkson - alan1302

His character Alan Partridge is very popular. He's been in Hollywood films and goes on sell out stand up tours. So yes, he is popular.

Clarkson - Leif
Surely what matter is he interplay between the three of them. There was the fat bloke before May, and he didn't work out, Sorry about the unintended joke. And notice who is in control, its Clarkson, you need someone with his ability to control a programme, someone larger than life. Al Murray or that Welsh comedian would be better than Coogan, not sure if they'd work out though.
Clarkson - groaver

Give me strength. Coogan is one of the most prejudiced, unlikeable people on television.

Unlike Clarkson...

Clarkson - alexl92

A mate of mine suggested that Rowan Atkinson might be an option. Completely different character to Clarkson but a genuine petrolhead and used to the cameras.

Clarkson - Trilogy

Atkinson will never do it.

Clarkson - Leif

Atkinson will never do it.

I agree. You need someone willing to be called a knob by the others.

Clarkson - focussed

A mate of mine suggested that Rowan Atkinson might be an option. Completely different character to Clarkson but a genuine petrolhead and used to the cameras.

RA has a bit of of a record for binning expensive motors - I would guess that his personal insurance premium could be a tad too expensive for aunty.

Clarkson - bodywork
Perhaps it's a scam, maybe he wants to leave? this would be a good way of going whilst maintaining the bad boy image, in agreement all along with the Beeb. Just a thought.
Clarkson - brum

Ths Stig delivers petition to the BBC

Further evidence that this is all a big PR stunt dreamt up by Clarkson and possibly the BBC.

Edited by brum on 20/03/2015 at 13:10

Clarkson - Trilogy

So less than 0.3% of his viewers want him back. Quite clearly an overwhelming majority don't want him to return.

Clarkson - Leif

So less than 0.3% of his viewers want him back. Quite clearly an overwhelming majority don't want him to return.

We don't yet know what he did. If he got drunk, then verbally abused and punched a subordinate, that in my book merits the sack. Would you work for such a boss? But if it was just him blowing off some steam and a subordinate not doing his job ...

Clarkson - Leif

Ths Stig delivers petition to the BBC

Further evidence that this is all a big PR stunt dreamt up by Clarkson and possibly the BBC.

In my view it would be an odd person who had a go at a producer to generate publicity. It looks like Clarkson and co will be moving to a new TV channel.

Clarkson - colinh

More like one Sun columnist publicising another

Clarkson - Mike, Wyberton

I think he has set this up himself so he can leave the BBC and join UKIP.

Clarkson - Trilogy

Apparently going to be sacked today. Time for a new team, while J, J and R move elsewhere.

Clarkson - daveyK_UK

If they are sacking him, they should stop the show for good.

The guy is a great presenter and the show won't be the same without him.

Clarkson - dan86

This is just my opinion but I think the backlash against the BBC will b great as the show has a wide fan base. Many on this forum may not like the program but 350 million fans word wide is a lot.

I for one don't know if the show could work without him.

Clarkson - Leif

This is just my opinion but I think the backlash against the BBC will b great as the show has a wide fan base. Many on this forum may not like the program but 350 million fans word wide is a lot.

I for one don't know if the show could work without him.

I like TG, and think it has got better this year, apart from a few fails such as the Peugeot sketch. But reports on the Telegraph web site state that he spent 20 minutes verbally abusing and then physically assaulting a producer. That is totally out of order in my view. I'd expect instant dismissal from any company I've ever worked in, except one, which must remain anonymous, a well known UK computer company, where bullying was actively encouraged and practised at the highest level i.e. director. In the modern world bullying is not tolerated, and thank goodness.

They could finish the remaining three episodes with a guest presenter, and see how it goes. They don't have much to lose. It might work. Might not.

Clarkson - Leif

Yes, the Toryguff (1) web site says he will be sacked for verbally abusing and physically assaulting the producer.

(1) telegraph.co.uk. A good newspaper.

Clarkson - Avant

Still the press won't provide an answer to the crucial question - WHY didn't the producer arrange for a hot meal at the end of what was doubtless a long and stressful day recording.

Clarkson - skidpan

Still the press won't provide an answer to the crucial question - WHY didn't the producer arrange for a hot meal at the end of what was doubtless a long and stressful day recording.

For feks sake. Are televison personalities so far removed from the real world that they are unable to arrange a hot meal for themselves. In the real world after a stressful day I have always had to arrange my own food.

Clarkson - Leif

Still the press won't provide an answer to the crucial question - WHY didn't the producer arrange for a hot meal at the end of what was doubtless a long and stressful day recording.

For feks sake. Are televison personalities so far removed from the real world that they are unable to arrange a hot meal for themselves. In the real world after a stressful day I have always had to arrange my own food.

They were probably helicoptered in with no means of personal transport and no knowledge of the area, late at night, after a long day's work, with more work the next day. Were they supposed to order a taxi, and try and get to a local restaurant, if there was one with space they could get to before closing? I can understand Clarkson being angry.

Clarkson - skidpan

They were probably helicoptered in with no means of personal transport and no knowledge of the area, late at night, after a long day's work, with more work the next day. Were they supposed to order a taxi, and try and get to a local restaurant, if there was one with space they could get to before closing? I can understand Clarkson being angry.

If that were the case they would have been booked into a Hotel and they would have been transported there at the end of the day (unless they were driving the test cars). Hotels have restaurants, you simply walk from your room and ask for a table. You may have to wait if they are busy.

Alternatively you use your phone to book a table at a nearby restaurant. If you have no transport you either walk or use a Taxi.

Its the way most of the real world operates.

If its true that Clarkson got angry just because he had to book himself a table he deserves public ridicule.

Clarkson - Snakey

The usual hypocrisy of the bbc, possibly firing JC over a minor disciplinary indicent when the likes of Saville got away with far greater crimes, and they're happy to emply ex-murderers like Grantham on Eastenders for years.

In a way it would be good to see the show stopped and then the trio could start a new show on a more supportive channel.The bbc has always looked at Top gear in the way most people look at a dog turd, but their greed kept them from cancelling it.

Only problem with that is they will then lose a fortune and then we'll be paying that through the state enforced threat tax that the license fee is!

Clarkson - Leif

From what I have read they arrived at 10pm, and the hotel chef had left, so there was only cold food left. So they would have had to obtain a list of local restaurants, phone round to find one that a) would be open by the time they arrived and b) have a table free (this was Friday evening). The restaurant was in the countryside, so probably walking was not an option. As for taxi, well on a Friday evening it would take time to arrive, and get them to the destination, assuming they could find a suitable restaurant.

Okay, I checked, they were at the Simonstone Hall which is in the middle of the Yorkshire Dales National Park, many miles from any large connurbation. There were some hotels nearby, but presumably they would have stopped serving hot food too.

Clarkson - galileo

From what I have read they arrived at 10pm, and the hotel chef had left, so there was only cold food left. So they would have had to obtain a list of local restaurants, phone round to find one that a) would be open by the time they arrived and b) have a table free (this was Friday evening). The restaurant was in the countryside, so probably walking was not an option. As for taxi, well on a Friday evening it would take time to arrive, and get them to the destination, assuming they could find a suitable restaurant.

Okay, I checked, they were at the Simonstone Hall which is in the middle of the Yorkshire Dales National Park, many miles from any large connurbation. There were some hotels nearby, but presumably they would have stopped serving hot food too.

From a report a few days ago in the Telegraph, the reason the chef and k****** staff had left was that the hot meal had been arranged for 8 pm; Clarkson, May and Hammond kept the scheduled helicopter waiting while they spent 2 hours in a pub, hence the late arrival. The demon drink therefore may have had something to do with his OTT reaction. The same report points out that the hotel manager himself cooked the mel eventually served. (Yorkshire hospitality/customer service)

Clarkson - Leif

The truth is now revealed:

www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/comedy/11471405/That-T...l

Clarkson - skidpan

From what I have read they arrived at 10pm, and the hotel chef had left, so there was only cold food left. So they would have had to obtain a list of local restaurants, phone round to find one that a) would be open by the time they arrived and b) have a table free (this was Friday evening). The restaurant was in the countryside, so probably walking was not an option. As for taxi, well on a Friday evening it would take time to arrive, and get them to the destination, assuming they could find a suitable restaurant.

Okay, I checked, they were at the Simonstone Hall which is in the middle of the Yorkshire Dales National Park, many miles from any large connurbation. There were some hotels nearby, but presumably they would have stopped serving hot food too

Basically you are saying its OK to punch someone in the above circumstances.

Reality check required.

Clarkson - Leif

From what I have read they arrived at 10pm, and the hotel chef had left, so there was only cold food left. So they would have had to obtain a list of local restaurants, phone round to find one that a) would be open by the time they arrived and b) have a table free (this was Friday evening). The restaurant was in the countryside, so probably walking was not an option. As for taxi, well on a Friday evening it would take time to arrive, and get them to the destination, assuming they could find a suitable restaurant.

Okay, I checked, they were at the Simonstone Hall which is in the middle of the Yorkshire Dales National Park, many miles from any large connurbation. There were some hotels nearby, but presumably they would have stopped serving hot food too

Basically you are saying its OK to punch someone in the above circumstances.

Reality check required.

Do at least read what I say rather than making it up. I quote from a recent post of mine

"But reports on the Telegraph web site state that he spent 20 minutes verbally abusing and then physically assaulting a producer. That is totally out of order in my view. I'd expect instant dismissal from any company I've ever worked in, except one"

The post you commented on was my response to your view that he had no reason to get angry. I think he had. But taking that anger out on someone in the way he is supposed to have done (we don't actually know the truth yet) is not acceptable.

Clarkson - TedCrilly

I guess we can all stop speculating now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32052736

Clarkson - skidpan

Leif

In the post I quoted appeared you appeared to be saying he had every right to be angry.

Not getting a hot meal is no excuse for yobbish behaviour.

Clarkson - Leif

Leif

In the post I quoted appeared you appeared to be saying he had every right to be angry.

Not getting a hot meal is no excuse for yobbish behaviour.

Yes, I did say he had every right to be angry. Getting angry is not the same as assaulting someone.

Clarkson - Leif

I guess we can all stop speculating now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32052736

Very sad, but having read the account of what actually happened, not surprising. Frankly it was disgraceful behaviour, way over the line, rather than a minor lapse, which happens to most of use at least once in our lives.

Clarkson - Sulphur Man

The poor chap had to take himself to hospital A&E. And he didnt retaliate either.

And after that, mad dog Clarkson subjected him to days of grovelling apology by way of text, phone message and email. Like he hadnt suffered enough already.

Over 1 million people signed a petition in support of Clarkson.

And various clowns on this thread think that the BBC's treatment of Clarkson is driven by a 'liberal' and 'leftie' agenda, not common decency when a man is verbally abused and physically assaulted down to A&E.

I see Sky have ruled themself out of signing him. Good.

Be interesting to see what North Yorkshire Police investigation brings. Judging from the press statement, Clarkson should be worried.

Clarkson - Dwight Van Driver

Those of you with advancing years will be aware of the steady and ever increasing decline in the basic standards of society in manners and decorum etc. One of the persons to blame IMHO is Jermy Claxon , a egotisical loud foul mouth whose sole claim to popularity is bad manners, insults and trashing cars about. At last BBC have succumed to put standards ahead of monetery gain and given him the big elbow.
Well done BBC
It amazes me that there are so many more who believe that standards can go out of the window in their support for him. Even when found wrong he seems to revel in this. Please media let him die and join the Do Do's.

dvd

Clarkson - xtrailman

When i worked i always took sandwiches and somtimes a flask.

Why is it prats like JC have to have their hands held.

Its a day to celebrate JC has gone yipee.

Clarkson - jamie745

It's a major shame. I still think it's a minor incident which has been allowed to blow up into something much bigger than it needed to be. I feel the BBC have been waiting for something like this for a while because it's allowing them to kill a programme completely out of step with the corporations ethos.

If anything, this shows the BBC don't need to concern themselves with commercial revenue, because they can force more money out of us by using the threat of prosecution and prison instead. If commercial income was their only income, they would've sorted this out behind closed doors and kept the show on.

It's a very sad day in many ways, because Top Gear was the last of the old school, 'right wing' blokeish programming - which ironically women and kids loved in equal measure - and now it's gone. Guardian readers will be thrilled that the last such voice in society is now gone.

The BBC might 'reinvent' it and it might go back to being a niche show nobody watches on BBC Four. It'll never have 350million worldwide viewers again.

RIP Best show on the BBC

Clarkson - Leif
Jamie, the description of the fracas suggests itbwas not minor. Clarkson could be heard in the guest bedrooms. This poor man was humiliated and assaulted, and thought he had lost his job. Clarkson tried to apologise, which is something I suppose.
Clarkson - jamie745

Well that's the BBC's version of events which has a heavy hint of the Alastair Campbell about it, but it still sounds like a dustup with Clarkson giving someone a smack in the mouth and not much more really.

If it was really as explosive as the BBC suggest, we'd have seen cameraphone footage on Youtube of it by now.

Clarkson - Leif
There were many independent witnesses who said they were shocked by the verbal abuse, and its duration.
Clarkson - Trilogy

jamie seems to think it is acceptable behaviour. Perhaps it is quite normal where he lives and works.

Clarkson - jamie745

There's no such thing as an independent witness. People who like him will say nothing happened. People who dislike him will say he burned the building down.

In any case it's not acceptable, but it didn't need to come to this. They could've given him a huge fine, dragged him out for a public apology and everything else. Alternatively the BBC could've fixed it in house with a payoff for the producer and white washed it like they usually do.

I feel for the producer in hiding but he's in hiding because he just ended the most popular TV show on earth. Fact is the licence fee payer is now deprived of the best thing the BBC broadcasts and most would rather see TG continue with Clarkson irrespective of what he's done.

Clarkson - Trilogy

The producer didn't end the most popular TV show on earth.

Clarkson - Leif
The treatment of that poor man, Tymon, is disgraceful. Anyone threatening him should be charged and sentenced. You must live in a world where bullying is normal, and decent people cower in fear.
Clarkson - John Boy

Well said, DVD. You've expressed my opinion perfectly.

Clarkson - Avant

I don't think that any of us would condone JC's violent behaviour, and if the tirade really did go on for 20 minutes, the BBC had to take the action they did.

My point was merely that if the producer had done his job properly (either arranging a late meal with the hotel or choosing another hotel which could do late meals), this whole thing would never have happened.

Maybe there's a case for Top Gear going the way of Have I Got News for You - a different lead presenter for each show, with May and Hammond providing continuity. It might mean less of the treks through the jungle in £1,000 bangers - but maybe we've had enough of that anyway.

Boris Johnson would be a great choice for one show, and perhaps also Jeremy Paxman - given that there are some people out there who think he is already the presenter.

Clarkson - jamie745

There's a big difference between Have I Got News For You and Top Gear though. News for You was never all about Angus Deayton anyway, it didn't hinge on the central presenter. If Hislop and Merton stop doing it, the show will finish shortly after - I believe Hislop has done every episode since 1990.

Top Gear is basically the Jeremy Clarkson show. Absolutely everything about it is a reflection of him. The entire programme is reflective of Clarkson's world view. Everything they do, they do it because he wants it to happen.

In that way Clarkson has been incredibly lucky. He's had 25 years being paid vast sums to express his world view to millions and have incredible fun doing so. Almost nobody gets to do that in life.

Clarkson - madf

"Mark Thompson, the BBC's director general, is gaining a reputation as something of a rottweiler as he slashes into the corporation's staffing structure.

Yesterday this image took on a physical manifestation when allegations emerged that, when he was editor of the Nine O'Clock News, Mr Thompson sank his teeth into the arms of a colleague in a canine-like display of workplace frustration.

The BBC yesterday played down the incident, which has been the subject of frenzied gossip within the BBC as the story was passed around by email this week, as "high jinks and horseplay".

But Mr Thompson's victim, a junior member of staff who went on to be Kate Adie's producer, has disclosed that he considered making a formal complaint about the incident at the time"

www.theguardian.com/media/2005/mar/24/broadcasting...c

The BBC is two faced.. who would have thought it? :-)

Clarkson - Trilogy

Fact is, Clarkson's reaction to there not being a hot meal for him was way out of proportion for what happened. We might have been upset and angry. That would have been enough.

Clarkson - brum

I am surprised there are still some here who are still supporting Clarkson and dismissing this as either a minor incident or somehow justified. If you were to rant, shout obscenties, intimidate publicly someone who is innocent of any wrong doing for 20 minutes and then go to physically assault him in full view of the public, guess what, you'd probably be thrown in a cell and be had up before the magistrates the next day.

Much as I admire some of TG under his stewardship, Clarkson has hung himself with his own vanity and nastiness. The BBC obviously had a difficult time in coming to its decision, but in the end they are right. Bullying with violence has no place in their organisation.

Raising the Saville case is justified, ignore the behaviour and later it will be ten times worse. No one is above the law.

BBC will survive this, unlike Clarkson. The uniqueness of the BBC, not holding to sponsors or advertisers make for world class programming. The BBC has made it clear Clarkson has no value to them, so his price tag just got punctured, no bidding war. Imagine the old blokes trying to cobble the format on Sky with adverts every ten minutes and having to watch what they say about this make and that, its not going to work.

TG, like many other shows - Monty Python comes to mind, is a product of the BBC environment.

How about all the poor sods who worked for TG now out of work? And poor Oisin Tymon, possibly with a wrecked career (I hope not). These are the guys that truly make TG great. So many comments about the great filming etc, that's not Clarkson, its the production team that make it great.

Clarkson - Trilogy

Brum, well said!

Clarkson - jamie745

It's not well said at all Trilogy because Brum is talking absolute nonsense from start to finish.

Firstly, the chances of you being in court the following day are zero, more like 3-6 months. Secondly, talent gets away with things the rest of us don't. Luis Suarez has bitten three people on live TV but earns millions playing for possibly the world's most prestigious football club.

The bit about the BBC is a bit rose tinted because their 'not holding to sponsors...' is another way of saying they don't have to work for their money. They can make whatever dross they want because we'll all go to prison if we don't finance it, they don't need us to watch it. Most of the BBC's programming is total trash.

It wasn't always like that. Forty years ago the BBC made some of the finest comedy ever seen in this country, but these days they don't. The BBC themselves produce very little of their own content anyway, pretty much all of it is contracted out to private production companies. That romantic view you have of the BBC is four decades out of date.

The BBC will suffer from this because they'll lose viewers. Clarkson will be fine, the other two will join him and take their 350 million viewers with them. BBC own the name, but it's worthless without the talent and TG is very unique in its reliance on the central talent. The BBC had TG before Clarkson. It was rubbish. He made it what it is and its dead without him.

The show may have great production values, though that's easier with the budget they have but great production values count for nothing if the content isn't worth producing. I don't see how Clarkson can be viewed as worthless by other broadcasters. He can guarantee them viewership in 200 countries and many millions in the bank. What have the BBC got? Nothing.

Lastly and most importantly, comparing Clarkson to Jimmy f***ing Saville is nothing less than a disgrace and if I was Clarkson I'd have every Internet keyboard warrior who links them in front of a judge on defamation charges.

Edited by jamie745 on 25/03/2015 at 23:20

Clarkson - brum

Lastly and most importantly, comparing Clarkson to Jimmy f***ing Saville is nothing less than a disgrace and if I was Clarkson I'd have every Internet keyboard warrior who links them in front of a judge on defamation charges.

If someone at the BBC had had the courage to sack Saville when his behaviour was first reported, then he wouldn't have gone on to ruin so many peoples lives. Nobody is suggesting Clarkson is a sexual pervert, but he has shown he has serious behaviour issues that are inappropriate in any work place. Nipping this on the bud before it gets out of hand is a sensible decision.

As for Rose tinted glasses, maybe, only time will tell. The BBC is the oldest broadcaster on the world and is far more respected and recognised internationally than any other. I don't see that changing soon.

Lastly, I note your generous use of expletives, I don't think that's a very intelligent way of expressing your views....which now I see you have edited out.....

Edited by brum on 25/03/2015 at 23:36

Clarkson - jamie745

Again you're making a nonsense comparison. If the BBC believes it's somehow redeemed itself for Savile by ending the most popular TV show on earth and giving the licence fee payer less value for its money then they're deranged. Unfortunately the BBC do chase this sort of thing now in desperate attempts to fix the past and claim moral high ground.

The fact is the BBC has the luxury of being able to take such an expensive decision because commercial income isn't everything to them. You and me still go to prison if we don't finance whatever they want to make so they don't have to care if we like it or not.

Don't get me wrong, they've made some of the best tv shows of all time, classic comedies like OnlyFools, Blackadder, Python and the rest but those days are gone. The BBCs reputation within Britain is at a record low. Historically the BBC have pretty much always been wrong about nearly everything. Don't forget they thought Hitler was a reasonable bloke so kept Churchill off the airwaves as long as possible.

There is one expletive in my post. The other was changed because I didn't know t o s h would activate the swear filter.

Edited by jamie745 on 25/03/2015 at 23:49

Clarkson - Sofa Spud

QUOTE: ""You and me still go to prison if we don't finance whatever they want to make so they don't have to care if we like it or not. ""

You and me would lose our job if we punched a colleague in the face, and it could also land us in prison.

Clarkson - Trilogy

"The BBC had TG before Clarkson. It was rubbish."

Jamie, many will disagree. It wasn't for all. It was a differnet style. For many years TG has been on the wrong channel and wrong time. Cbeebies at about 5.00pm. Trouble is TG has been trying to appeal to ten year olds, in addition to adults.

Clarkson - Sofa Spud

The worst BBC misjudgement ever was when they openly employed a convicted murderer to act in East-Enders.

As for Clarkson, he's go what he deserved. The man's a thug.

As for Top Gear, the 'brand' is now toxic and should be buried. The BBC needs to put together a new motoring programme with new presenters and a new name, aimed at a more intelligent audience.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 26/03/2015 at 00:01

Clarkson - John F

The worst BBC misjudgement ever was when they openly employed a convicted murderer to act in East-Enders.

As for Clarkson, he's go what he deserved.

Actually, he hasn't. This lengthy thread, which digresses unhelpfully, has missed the essential point - the appalling state of the Britich legal and correctional service. If the man has committed a criminal offence (and it appears that he did) a criminal prosecution should have swiftly ensued. After several weeks it is only now that our dysfunctional fragmented legal guardian service is 'asking to see the BBC inquiry result'. Assault is not a civil matter where charges may or may not be brought - he should be on bail by now.

Clarkson - Leif

In my opinion criminal charges against Clarkson would be a travesty of justice. I was subjected to harassment over a period of 1 year by a smal gang of children. The police showed little interest. When I tried to get photos (quite legal) I was physically shoulder barged and verbally abused by one child and her older sister and then physically assaulted by the older brother, and a watch that had been a present from my late mother was destroyed during the assault (he gripped my wrist so tightly it broke non replaceable links). I suffered a sore neck for a week. The police pressed no charges. I reckon my case is typical. Prosecuting Clarkson would be the police making an example of him, rather than treating him as per the rest of us. If they do prosecute, then I'd like to know why they have singled him out.

Clarkson - Wackyracer

In my opinion criminal charges against Clarkson would be a travesty of justice. I was subjected to harassment over a period of 1 year by a smal gang of children. The police showed little interest. When I tried to get photos (quite legal) I was physically shoulder barged and verbally abused by one child and her older sister and then physically assaulted by the older brother, and a watch that had been a present from my late mother was destroyed during the assault (he gripped my wrist so tightly it broke non replaceable links). I suffered a sore neck for a week. The police pressed no charges. I reckon my case is typical. Prosecuting Clarkson would be the police making an example of him, rather than treating him as per the rest of us. If they do prosecute, then I'd like to know why they have singled him out.

Probably because he has money to pay the fines unlike the horrible scum that you was unfortunate enough to have encountered.

I also talk from experience of being harrassed by some scum that the police refused to do anything about, despite the fact they knew everything about their criminal going ons.

Clarkson - John F

In my opinion criminal charges against Clarkson would be a travesty of justice. I was subjected to harassment over a period of 1 year by a smal gang of children. The police showed little interest. When I tried to get photos (quite legal) I was physically shoulder barged and verbally abused by one child and her older sister and then physically assaulted by the older brother, ...... I suffered a sore neck for a week. The police pressed no charges. I reckon my case is typical.

Leif, although you have my sympathy your experience is hardly comparable with a vicious punch in the face which apparently resulted in a bleeding wound requiring medical attention. Much as I enjoy Clarkson & Co's clownings he should be treated like anyone else who assaults someone causing significant injury.

Clarkson - Leif

In my opinion criminal charges against Clarkson would be a travesty of justice. I was subjected to harassment over a period of 1 year by a smal gang of children. The police showed little interest. When I tried to get photos (quite legal) I was physically shoulder barged and verbally abused by one child and her older sister and then physically assaulted by the older brother, ...... I suffered a sore neck for a week. The police pressed no charges. I reckon my case is typical.

Leif, although you have my sympathy your experience is hardly comparable with a vicious punch in the face which apparently resulted in a bleeding wound requiring medical attention. Much as I enjoy Clarkson & Co's clownings he should be treated like anyone else who assaults someone causing significant injury.

I disagree, sustained harassment over a year, and a physical assault by two people is worse than a one off assault. I was srrounded by abusive people, sceamng at me,one of them running at me and barging me. Clarkson's nehaviour was worse, but only because he was in a position of power, hence it was bullying. That is a matter for the employer. But your last sentence shows that we agree. My pointis thatthese days a minor assault does not warrant arrest, at best a verbal caution.

Clarkson - jamie745

As for Top Gear, the 'brand' is now toxic and should be buried.

You're confusing the brand being toxic with your personal dislike of the programme. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean the world agrees with you.

If the brand was toxic, a million people (full in the knowledge Clarkson had lamped someone) wouldn't have signed a petition demanding his reinstatement. To put that in context, 1.4 million signed the petition against Road Pricing a decade ago and it's incredibly rare for an online petition to get even five figures, let alone a million.

Top Gear is still worth big money to any broadcaster who picks it up. Clarkson guarantees a broadcaster income. He guarantees a reach of 200 countries and a few hundred million viewers. His show (TG is his show) is broadcast in Russia. It's broadcast in Iran. It was even broadcast in Syria. He can reach parts of the World politicians could only dream of.

The BBC needs to put together a new motoring programme with new presenters and a new name, aimed at a more intelligent audience.

You've said that about 457 times and it's boring now, so I'll just say this; if there was any demand for this show you want made, somebody would've made it. The show you want to watch wouldn't get 350 million viewers in 200 countries. It would get about 5 viewers in North Yorkshire, which is what Old Top Gear got before Clarkson.

Clarkson - xtrailman

Jamie 745.

Its actually you that offends and talks rubbish.

Edited by xtrailman on 26/03/2015 at 07:08

Clarkson - Leif
Brum, I agree with most of that. The one point I will make is that humour is a key feature of TG, and it was Clarkson who wrote the scripts. Without Clarkson it would be different. The current format hangs on the characters and conflicts between the presenters. So TG on the BBC as it was has ceased to be, A Fifth Gear style programme would be dull. Maybe auntie can pull a rabbit from a hat.
Clarkson - Bromptonaut

My point was merely that if the producer had done his job properly (either arranging a late meal with the hotel or choosing another hotel which could do late meals), this whole thing would never have happened.

The acount suggested the producer did exactly that. A hot meal was planned for 20:00, after filming was finished for the day.

Clarkson et al then stayed in pub for two hours, keeping the helicopter and its pilot waiting. It's probable that during that period the producer phoned Cl and told him deadline for meal was approaching.

The producer then did best he could in circs and secured cold platters. What was he supposed to do? Commit a vast sum of 'licence payer's money' to keep kitch staff on overtime on off chance that Jezza wanted a steak?

Clarkson - davecooper
I have been watching Top Gear since the very first show and up until recently had enjoyed it very much in all its formats. The occasional slot where they raced a lawn mower against a Eurofighter from John o' groats to Lands End was amusing but these stunts started to take over the show to a point where it was the whole show. So many of the incidents looked so staged as well. This is when I started to lose interest. Then I watched the show where JC was driving around a Supermarket, knocking over the shelves and displays. Even if all the damage is paid for, I didn't find that funny. That was it for me, I haven't watched a show since.
Clarkson - Snakey

I would love to see this episode be the end of the BBC - about time the crap they churn out had to justify itself with the audience who are forced to pay for it whether they want it or not.

If the bbc can't survive on merit, then good b***** riddance.

As for JC, he made a mistake but the bbc reaction is disproportionate and inconsistent.

Clarkson - Trilogy

All good things come to an end. TG, in this form has had a very long run. It was going to end one day. How it has, time to move on. Who do we want next? How about an all girl crew? A real shake up. Suzi Perry, VBH and Sabine Schmitz?

TBH, I would like to see Chris Evans as anchor. Just because this last format had a team of three, it doesn't mean the next one has to replicate it. Jay Leno?

Could be 2 x Chris? Chris Harris. www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWB6vTboO5I

For those missing TG. TG Bloopers. www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6kOiuJY3GI

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY5w68VfyyU&list=PLY7X...3

Edited by Trilogy on 26/03/2015 at 13:43

Clarkson - Leif

IMO TG is dead without the current three presenters. You could create a new programme, maybe a car one, but Fifth Gear did not really work. You could create a chat show format, losely based round cars. I am sure it would work were they to be creative, but it would be different.

I think Auntie needs to think and create a new show format, rather than try and reheat a sausage stew which has lost its sausages.

Clarkson - Trilogy

TG is a recognisable brand worldwide. I'll be surprised if they abandon it.

Clarkson - Leif

TG is a recognisable brand worldwide. I'll be surprised if they abandon it.

Anutie has confirmed that it will be back next year with a new lead presenter, the Clarkson Mk 2. Whether or not Hammond and May will agree to co-present, that is another issue.

Clarkson - Trilogy

Doubt Richard and James will be back on a TG2. I would think, if another channel wants the guys, they will go as a package. Just my thoughts from what thye've inferred recently.

Clarkson - Hamsafar

I think it could have continued if some terrible fate fell on a presenter as people would have sympathy and there would be no option but not in the current circumstances of killing the goose that lays the golden egg.

Clarkson - jamie745

The BBC can bullishly say whatever they want - and they will - but Top Gear isn't coming back next year. They might make a programme called Top Gear, but that's where the similarities will end.

Hammond and May have already refused to do the show without Clarkson so there is absolutely no chance either will be involved and that's the BBC's problem. Top Gear doesn't have 350 million viewers because of it's name or production values, it has those viewers because of the presenters. Without the presenters, the BBC own nothing of value.

Clarkson, Hammond and May will go elsewhere and take their viewers with them. The only loser here is the BBC.

Clarkson - alan1302

As for JC, he made a mistake but the bbc reaction is disproportionate and inconsistent.

If you punched someone where you work would you expect to be kept on when you are already on a last warning?

Clarkson - jamie745

If you punched someone where you work would you expect to be kept on when you are already on a last warning?

No, but I don't earn my employer £50million every year. I don't have a worldwide fanbase of 350 million people and sacking me isn't going to cost my employer many hundreds of millions as a rival company benefits from my services.

Clarkson - Trilogy

Money is irrelevant. No one is bigger than the BBC.

Clarkson - jamie745

Keep telling yourself that.

The BBC can afford for money to be irrelevant, because you and me are forced to fund them. We either finance their programming or we go to prison. No other broadcaster in this country has that luxury. Sky has to earn its money.

The BBC itself is nothing. It's all about the content. If they lose the content, they lose the viewership. It really is as simple as that. Nobody watches the BBC because it's the BBC, people just watch the shows they like.

I'm realistic enough to recognise showbiz is a different planet to the real world you and me inhabit. The entertainment business is an industry where you can bite football players and still earn £200k a week. You simply cannot apply real world rules to it.

The BBC have made a typically politically correct decision, which they can afford to make on account of never doing a days work in their collective lives. The BBC are also typically inconsistent because they'll handle their next scandal very differently, depending on what suits them at the time.

Clarkson - Trilogy

Jamie, it is only one programme and in the current format it was going to die one day. You just don't seem to be able to accept one day it could ever go. It has gone.

We are not forced to fund them. We can legally watch BBC programmes without having a TV licence. You should try it.

Clarkson - jamie745

Well everything has to end at some point - except Coronation Street it would seem - but Top Gear hasn't ended. It'll simply move to another channel because the BBC can't show it anymore.

From my personal point of view, there is literally nothing worth watching on the entire BBC now I'm afraid. I'm flicking through their listings right now and there is absolutely nothing there.

It will leave a void when it is finally finished. It's been the BBC's anti-BBC programme for years. It's been the flagship, 'right wing', blokeish, anti-eco friendly, anti-political correctness, anti-health and safety programme in times where it doesn't (and some would say shouldn't) exist.

It's a bit like Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes - the only other decent shows the BBC's had this century - and the popularity of a character like Gene Hunt.

Clarkson - Sulphur Man

Top Gear is unsellable on commercial television with its current editorial license.

Can you imagine a Sky advertising exec contacting Peugeot to try and sell them advertising space after the episode a few weeks ago?

Top Gear has been running with the current three presenters since 2002, through 22 series encompassing a staggering 178 individual programmes

During that time, the 'left wing' BBC has kept it on air, despite controversies surrounding:

1) Homophobia

2)Cultural mockery - Germay, Romania, Mexico, Argentina

3) Racial slurs - Asian and Afro-Carribean derogatory terms

On commercial tv, any one of the above wouldve resulted in paying advertisers contacting the broadcaster to deal with the issue immediately, else lose their business. I dont think there's a single car manufacturer who hasnt been disparaged on Top Gear in some way, even Clarkson's beloved Range Rover are critcised for 'blinging Cheshire' associations and reliability concerns.

Clarkson knows this, he knows he couldnt do what he does on any other broadcaster, because no advertising revenue would come within a mile of his 'style' of broadcast.

So, the fabulous irony is that the 'liberal', 'left wing' BBC has supported this programme well beyond the tolerances of commercial tv, where the advertising revenue is all.

Clarkson - Leif
So, the fabulous irony is that the 'liberal', 'left wing' BBC has supported this programme well beyond the tolerances of commercial tv, where the advertising revenue is all.

One programme that is not politically correct and po faced? Take a look at the overall programming on the Beeb, then form a view. IMO there is nothing worth watching on the Beeb, except Top Gear, which is now a deceased TG, it has ceased to be ...And since TG is humour, look around. Marcus Brigstocke has his own half hour show which was no more than an extreme left wing rant, and quite unfunny. Jeremy hardy has had the same. It was a left wing rant, and sometimes funny, but he wasn't on form IMO. The new quiz is full of leftie stuff, as is the New Show etc etc etc etc. Now, Brigstocke and Hardy will happily call Tories 'b******s' or worse. Imagine calling poor people that, or gypsies, or gays. One rule for lefties, another rule for the rest of us. Look at Lord MacAlpine. He was a Tory, so obviously a bad un. It follows, dunnit? The poor man was falsely accused of paedophilia, by all the trendy leftie cuddly warm caring lefties, who then had to issue grovelling apologies.

An alternative viewpoint is that TG is the most popular factual programme [adopts a Clarkson voice] IN THE WORLD [back to normal voice], and is sold to huge numbers of countries, including those supposedly mocked. I think the truth is that we know Clarkson is not a racist, he just makes fun of cultural sterotypes, knowing they are stereotypes. People around the world like humour, and recognise that he is making fun of sterotypes, which we know are more often than not false. They have had a few problems. They must have thought 'slope' was on a par with Frog, or k****, or Limey (I've been called a Limey in the states), and apparently it is more akin to wog i.e. very offensive.

Clarkson - jamie745

Can you imagine a Sky advertising exec contacting Peugeot to try and sell them advertising space after the episode a few weeks ago?

I think cold hard cash could overcome that to be honest. Advertisers care about numbers and getting their name on Top Gear - positively or negatively - is publicity any advertiser would kill for. I wouldn't be surprised if Top Gear is the biggest advertising earner for Dave.

So, the fabulous irony is that the 'liberal', 'left wing' BBC has supported this programme well beyond the tolerances of commercial tv, where the advertising revenue is all.

If by 'supported' you mean 'earned £50million a year out of it' then yes they did. The BBC may be left wing but they're not stupid. They don't turn down a good earner. Remember the BBC didn't finance Top Gear. Top Gear was a cash cow for the BBC and they did very well from it.

I'll concede Top Gear had a unique advantage by being on the BBC, it meant it could do whatever it wanted, but it only earned that right by being good and popular. Top Gear whethered storms lesser shows would've been axed for by the BBC. If it was still a minority interest show on BBC Four it would've been axed years ago.

Clarkson - xtrailman

He's finally on his bike, literally.

Clarkson - brum

Some more interesting information is slowly emerging

Allegedly, Clarkson was drunk, does he have an alcohol problem? Many a "star" fallen from grace that way.

He continued his expletive rant, for a long time after Oisin had left to go to hospital. Witnesses confirm Oisin did not retaliate.

Piers Morgan ( love him or loath him) has published a very balanced piece offering advice for his friend in the daily mail, Google it and read.

significantly, it seems Sky will not take Clarkson.

“We couldn’t put Jeremy Clarkson on any Sky channels, especially those which are part of a family package deal and then face another controversy round the corner,”

Meanwhile poor Oisin continues to be the target of intense abuse via social media by some of Clarkson's fans making life for him and family and friends miserable. He was apperently even forced to move of his home. I despair.

Edited by brum on 26/03/2015 at 23:55

Clarkson - xtrailman

Well what can you expect from the type of people that would sign a petition without having the full facts.

Clarkson - Trilogy

I believe he is going through a divorce from his wife of over 20 years. Maybe that is all we need to know.

Clarkson - Bromptonaut

I believe he is going through a divorce from his wife of over 20 years. Maybe that is all we need to know.

Brum asked above if JC has an alcohol problem. While not conclusive several of the profiles have referred to hi propensity for Rose wine in quantity. It's also a known fact that the reason he missed the meal was becuase he (and the other two) were in a pub.

As regards divorce the same profiles suggested his wife has been at end of her tether for some time. Several infideleities have been mentioned and I believe he's living with another woman.

It does look though as if his world's suddenly crashed down around his ears.

Clarkson - Hamsafar

I heard thet are planning a new Reality TV motoring programme called Cars for Queers.

Clarkson - Steveieb

I have been on film sets some time ago and I can't stress how important it is to get the catering right. Early starts and late finishes meands that everyone is exhausted at the end of the day and the only way the film companies can alleviate this is by providing a round the clock canteen serving geat food.

The same applies to Formula One pits where mechanics work through the night. Oisen seems to have failed on this score IMHO.

Perhaps the BBC will create a new post for him as Director of Catering.

Clarkson - Bromptonaut

The same applies to Formula One pits where mechanics work through the night. Oisen seems to have failed on this score IMHO.

To my mind your HO is way out of kilter with known facts.

A hot meal was available at the hotel for 20:00, after filming finished. A helicopter was provided to ferry the 'stars' from location back to hotel in time for meal.

Clarkson and co went instead to a pub for a couple of hours. Jezza at least got leathered. By the time they'd drunk up and got the (waiting) chopperback to hotel. As in most places k****** was closed at 22:00 so Oisin arranged cold platters to be available. Clarkson then kicked off.

What else was Oisin supposed to do. Spend thousands of 'licence payers money' on overtime for k****** staff?

Clarkson - RichT54

Also, helicopters are rather expensive to hire, I wonder how much extra it cost to have it wait a couple of hours while Clarkson and his mates were in the pub?

Clarkson - alan1302

If you punched someone where you work would you expect to be kept on when you are already on a last warning?

No, but I don't earn my employer £50million every year. I don't have a worldwide fanbase of 350 million people and sacking me isn't going to cost my employer many hundreds of millions as a rival company benefits from my services.

Money should not come into it - and in this case I'm glad the BBC did the right thing. It doesn't matter who you are or what you bring to the company you work for. It you punch someone then you are out and as I'm sure he would agree he only has himself to blame.

It's when people in power get away with things that everyone else would not is when it causes problems.

Clarkson - Snakey

As for JC, he made a mistake but the bbc reaction is disproportionate and inconsistent.

If you punched someone where you work would you expect to be kept on when you are already on a last warning?

We only know half the story as usual, and the bbc only so hot on 'doing the right thing' when it suits them as has been mentioned several times.

The bbc is an archaic waste of time. Their content is mainly d***** and constantly looking for minorities to provide content for. And the way we pay for it is the most galling - where else in the world does a private company get its money extorted from the populatation under state law?

Clarkson - Bromptonaut

And the way we pay for it is the most galling - where else in the world does a private company get its money extorted from the populatation under state law?

It's not that uncommon a model for what is, for all the private company reference above, a state corporation. In fact the compulsory subscription model is incredibly widespread in one variation or another:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence

I'd pay £3 a week just for Radio 4.

Clarkson - Alby Back
Whatever the rights and wrongs of all this, and it would seem clear there that are plenty of both to be going on with, I shall miss the show. I've enjoyed most of them. Pity.
Clarkson - Leif
The bbc is an archaic waste of time. Their content is mainly d***** and constantly looking for minorities to provide content for.

The sad fact is that they do not provide content for minorities, far from it. What they do provide, on Radio 4 anyway, is a large number of trendy leftie often public school educated types pretending to speak for minorities. That is surely not the same thing. I would be happy to see more programmes catering for minorities, not that I know what that would be. Maybe Top Caravan for gypsies, perhaps we could have a competition for suitable programmes ...

Clarkson - Gibbo_Wirral

The sad fact is that they do not provide content for minorities, far from it.

Are you not aware of BBC Asian Network, or BBC 1Xtra to name but two?

Clarkson - Bromptonaut

The sad fact is that they do not provide content for minorities, far from it.

Are you not aware of BBC Asian Network, or BBC 1Xtra to name but two?

I think there's just a bash BBC mode.

Facts are nothing.

Clarkson - Leif

The sad fact is that they do not provide content for minorities, far from it.

Are you not aware of BBC Asian Network, or BBC 1Xtra to name but two?

I think there's just a bash BBC mode.

Facts are nothing.

I disagree, facts are important.

Clarkson - Leif

The sad fact is that they do not provide content for minorities, far from it.

Are you not aware of BBC Asian Network, or BBC 1Xtra to name but two?

I know there is some radio, for some minorities, but TV?

Clarkson - Trilogy

Quite why anyone would want to eat at 10.00pm. Bit pointless to my mind, especially going to bed just having eaten a steak. If he'd still been married I have a feeling this would never have happened. Apparently his wife used to organise alot of stuff for him.

Clarkson - Sulphur Man

Bit naive, Trilogy.

Evidence:

1) It's late

2) He's hungry for meat and rich food

3) He's short of temper, loud of abuse, and ultimately violent when he doesnt get what he wants.

Conclusion:

Drunk (as suggested by the BBC exec's 'go to rehab' comment) and by his haggard glass-eyed appearance in recent times.

Clarkson - Trilogy

SM, matter of opinion.

Clarkson - xtrailman

Isn't top gear for the minorities?

I'm very happy with what the BBC put out, although i would like them to show all the F1 shows, not half.

No adverts is always my preference, other channels i just watch on record.

Clarkson - Trilogy

A Stig speaks. www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/the-stig-jeremy-clark...p

Clarkson - Trilogy

Latest favourite. www.sc***horpetelegraph.co.uk/GEAR-Guy-Martin-favourite-ahead-Chris-Evans/story-26242089-detail/story.html

Clarkson - jamie745

I don't know why they're bothering with this speculation because it arrogantly assumes Hammond & May will stay on and work with someone else. I just really don't think they will. If you sack one, you've sacked all three.

The current series still has three episodes to air. Three episodes worth of material already filmed and probably edited. I think May & Hammond could host those by themselves, show all the films and maybe have Clarkson on as the guest for the final episode then call it quits.

Yes the show has been 'reformatted' many times, but this incarnation of Top Gear has become so big that you simply can't apply that argument in this case. It's become something unique. Special. Unrepeatable. I think James May has been philosophical about it recently, noting he's one of the luckiest people on Earth who's had this wild ride completely by accident. It'll never happen again.

The BBC are deluding themselves if they believe they can simply slap a few new people on it, call it 'regeneration' and have it stay as popular as it is.

Clarkson - brum

I don't know why they're bothering with this speculation because it arrogantly assumes Hammond & May will stay on and work with someone else. I just really don't think they will. If you sack one, you've sacked all three.

The current series still has three episodes to air. Three episodes worth of material already filmed and probably edited. I think May & Hammond could host those by themselves, show all the films and maybe have Clarkson on as the guest for the final episode then call it quits.

Those episodes are the property of the BBC under the existing contract.

May seems very downbeat and says he's always wanted to be a teacher.

As individuals, May may scrape a living doing those dumbed down engineering documentaries or voice overs. I can't see Hammond doing anything apart from going back to being a DJ. He'll pay the price for being Clarkson's patsy too long.

They say its down to ITV and Netflix.

Clarkson - Leif
I don't think that is fair. I dislike Hammond, but even I can see that both have been made into 'stars'. I enjoyed a recent series on cars by May. He also writes well on cars. I am sure Hammond has ability too, although I am not the one to judge. I am sure theyhave made a good wodge from TG and so on, and can live confortably.
Clarkson - jamie745

They're all multi millionaires. None of them need to work again and none will be 'scraping' a living doing anything. Hammond is a professional media presenter, he's presented all sorts of things and will never be short of a gig. May admits he ended up on Top Gear by accident and Clarksons known nothing but TG for 25 years.

Good call on mentioning Netflix by the way because I think we're all looking at this completely wrong. All those people rejoicing that Clarkson is gone and 'commercial TV won't touch him' hasn't realised Netflix exists yet. They have a multi billion pound programming budget and do not answer to advertisers.

If Netflix could sign up Clarkson, Hammond, May and Wilman to make Top Gear for them it would completely change everything we believe about television. That would be the breakthrough for Internet TV and we could find a situation where the BBC then buys the rights for second showings from Netflix.

I want it to happen just because of the spitting rage his critics would slip into.

Clarkson - Bromptonaut

Latest favourite. www.sc***horpetelegraph.co.uk/GEAR-Guy-Martin-favourite-ahead-Chris-Evans/story-26242089-detail/story.html

Is this site's swear filter still so crude you can't say Sc***horpe or is the edit above a commercial one - giving publicity to rival newspaper publishers.

Clarkson - Bromptonaut

No it really is the swear filter. PATHETIC that I cannot name the town I once lived in.

Clarkson - brum

Hmmm

Edited by brum on 27/03/2015 at 22:10

Clarkson - brum

Try the Londoner's pronunciation: Scanthorpe :)

Clarkson - jamie745

You can't say a***nal or Manchester f***ing United either. Both have the misfortune of containing naughty words.

Edited by jamie745 on 27/03/2015 at 21:58

Clarkson - Leif
A relative is a Titterngton.,does that get through?

As an aside, why is this web site almost unusable from an ipad?
Clarkson - Leif
Has this been posted?

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=iLRna0RRvxo

Made me smile.
Clarkson - jamie745

It's good to see Clarkson urging people to leave the producer alone. It's easy to target the producer because nobody knew who he was until last week and all those millions of fans would take Clarkson over the producer any day of the week.

Fact is though, the producer never actually made a formal complaint to the BBC. He didn't call the Police. He didn't report Clarkson for the incident, probably because he knew there'd be no Top Gear to work on if he did and he really loves his job.

The BBC have failed both Clarkson and Tymon really. The BBC haven't done this to show their support for their employees, because Tymon didn't even raise a complaint and I know of no work place where the victim wouldn't have to even make the briefest statement of complaint to get somebody sacked.

It's another example of the BBC going out of their way to look like they're doing the right and proper thing. Appeasing a point of view almost nobody has and protecting something which isn't there.

Clarkson - Leif
Sorry Jamie, but you don't have a clue. The BBC acted completely correctly. Physical assult by a drunken employee is very serious, it is gross misconduct, and grounds for immediate dismissal in most if not all companies. Oisin probably did not complain because he was scared. It is said he thought he had lost his job. Clarkson clearly has some issues, which need resolving, and might not be his fault, but he cannot bully subordinates. I sympathise with both people, but Oisin is probably a low paid employee, with family and mortgage to support, worried for his future. Clarkson is financially secure and should know better.
Clarkson - Trilogy

At least this incarnation of TG is going out on a high. The best programmes always do. Better to leave the public wanting more.

I've always warmed to the presenters. I'm sure they never take any of it seriously. Some of the viewers do just the opposite, probably much to the amusement of J, J and R. It used to be a much watch for me, but recently I can take it or leave it. The programme is unlikely to reach the level of viewing figures it has recently had. For the BBC, before appointing any new presenter/presenters they have to decide what the future is for TG. That will be their headache to cure.

Clarkson - jamie745

It is said he thought he had lost his job.

Well he has lost his job because Top Gear has now finished, so the entire production team is currently unemployed. Have you not noticed that? By the way, I hate it when people say 'it is said...'

The BBC acted completely correctly.

Well that makes a change for them; Mark Thompson bit a producer at work but went on to become Director General of the BBC.

Richard Bacon was found to be a cocaine addict while presenting the BBC's flagship childrens programme, yet returned to the BBC a few years later on Radio 5 Live.

As previously mentioned, Leslie Grantham served time for murder but later became a BBC soap star.

Russell Brand was kicked off the BBC for prank phone calls but this year hosted the BBC's coverage of Red Nose Day.

The BBC had to pay Lord McAlpine £185,000 in damages after implicating him in a sex abuse scandal.

Winston Churchill was known for being drunk as well and the BBC kept him off the airwaves as they believed Hitler to be an alright bloke.

I'm not even mentioning the death of David Kelly, the subsequent Hutton Inquiry, the fake Panorama show which slandered Primark or their handling of Jimmy b***** Savile.

But hey, at least they acted correctly in response to a little dust up at a hotel. Well done BBC. Well done.

Leif, if I don't 'have a clue' then what the hell can you say about the BBC?

Edited by jamie745 on 28/03/2015 at 22:19

Clarkson - brum

I think Jamie is actually Jeremy. ;)

Clarkson - Trilogy

JC was on his last warning. Last means last.

Seems jamie767 can't accept TG has gone.

Clarkson - jamie745

That would make me the best Back Room poster.........in the world.

I'm merely pointing out the BBC's gross list of historical failures and inconsistencies and that list isn't even a quarter of them.

The BBC defended employing Leslie Grantham after he murdered somebody, in fact they knew about it before the papers did. In contrast, the BBC finds a smack in the mouth to be an unacceptable, sackable offence.

My point is the BBC have no right to talk about acting properly on anything. If they expect a gold star for what they've done with Clarkson they're not going to get it.

Clarkson - brum

Death threat email sent to BBC chief and his wife (see daily mail)

Several death hopes posted on twitter re Oisin

Sick.

This is getting very serious. I hope the police get the culprits involved and soon.

Clarkson - jamie745

Well that's beyond the pale obviously but it does demonstrate how loved Top Gear is. They should all take it as a compliment really. Nobody sent death threats when they cancelled Ground Force.

I think stuff like this was always going to happen. If the show's got 350 million viewers, law of averages dictates some of them have to be militant lunatics.

Clarkson - julie page

Am I the only one who thought of Top Gear as a good program spoilt by childish car pranks, crashes and silly story lines, like Hammond being left on a moutain. The trip to Argentina for example, what was the point of taking sports cars then putting them on a beach full of boulders?

If they get a decent presenter like Chris Evens the show can be a lots better. I like May and hope he stays.

Clarkson - jamie745

No Julie you weren't the only one but people who say things like that just don't 'get' the show. You probably take it too seriously. For years there's been that cardigan wearing subset longing for the days of Chris Goffey reviewing a Vauxhall Cavalier but those are just miserable human beings.

I've never understood the fascination with Chris Evans. He's alright but I wouldn't go out of my way to view any of his work. Hammond and May are incredibly unlikely to do the show ever again without Clarkson. There's a better chance of Adrian Chiles becoming Prime Minister than Chris Evans replacing Clarkson.

Clarkson - Trilogy

jamie, this might help you while you suffer. Perhaps you are Alex. www.carthrottle.com/post/QoUIoN/

Clarkson - julie page

Maybe, but I fail to see what is funny repeating the same joke over and over and over again. I mean it was kind of funny when they first crashed into each other, but it has long since stoped being funny, it was fun when they fiddled with each others cars on road trips (although as if they did not know what had been done to their cars), I could go on.

My seven year old niece finds it funny though.

I am not a great fan of Chris Evens but he has the car knoledge and the wit to pull of what Clarkson tryed to do far better then he could.

The three of them were entertaining together but individually non of them are funny

Clarkson - Leif
Julie, many many people agree with you. And many people disagree. What annoys me, and I am not thinking of you, is people who say it is rubbish therefore it should be revamped or removed. I hate Strictly Come Dancing, and football, but I would never suggest they should be changed so that I can like them. An article in the Telegraph annoyed me. It said Top Gear lacked diversity, and needed to be de-masculinised. Heaven save us from such liberal nazis. And as for it being dumb, I know many people with reams of qualifications who love it. There is too much pompous pretentious nonsense around, some simple humour is a welcome respite. Yes it does not always work, it can be boring, but I get enough loud out loud moments to make it worthwhile.
Clarkson - alan1302

Well that's beyond the pale obviously but it does demonstrate how loved Top Gear is. They should all take it as a compliment really. Nobody sent death threats when they cancelled Ground Force.

It shows their are some idiots in the world. It shows nothing more than that.

Clarkson - xtrailman

Sums up top gear fans really doesn't it?

lets hope we now have a decent TG show. Not run by someone who is a physical wreck with a middle aged gut, a drinkers nose, and generally looking very unfit.

In short heart attack material.

Edited by xtrailman on 29/03/2015 at 09:00

Clarkson - jamie745

Are all Nissan X-Trail owners as bitter and depressed as you?

Bet the owners club is a blast.

Clarkson - xtrailman

The Xtrail forum is very quiet because they don't have many problems. I've had two over 9 years. Now driving a different car, although i could go back to Nissan if they fit an engine in the new Xtrail with decent power.

I'm actually very happy now your idol has been sacked, very happy. Not a fan of CE either, having him on radio is more than enough.

Personally i think TG has gone down the route of being too stupid to watch for it to continue, perhaps a car programe with a new name and format is the way to go.

Edited by xtrailman on 29/03/2015 at 15:50

Clarkson - jamie745

I'm actually very happy now your idol has been sacked, very happy.

If you have the capacity to be 'very happy' about such a thing then you clearly have a very empty life. If someone I don't like on a TV show I don't watch was sacked, I wouldn't care less either way.

Personally i think TG has gone down the route of being too stupid to watch for it to continue,

The worldwide viewing figures contradict your point of view. The demand is still sky high for the show, millions are still watching it and the live shows (which Clarkson will front next month) were sold out within minutes.

Clarkson - xtrailman

What a empty shallow mind you have.

Made any death threats latley?

Clarkson - Leif

What a empty shallow mind you have.

Made any death threats latley?

Sounds like you have met Jamie ... :)

Clarkson - Leif
Jamie, Auntie Beeb got it right this time, and I am sure most people agree. They said he might come back, at a later date, which makes sense. Incidentally, the other incidents you mention are quite different, as you well know, but hey, don't let that spoil a good rant. Anyway, if you want to start a thread titled "Past mistakes of the BBC" go ahead.
Clarkson - jamie745

Jamie, Auntie Beeb got it right this time, and I am sure most people agree.

I don't agree because at the end of the day, I want Top Gear on TV. At 8pm tonight I won't sit down and go 'well there's nothing on TV to watch but I'm jolly supportive of the BBC's stance on workplace abuse.'

James May said this was a minor incident which should've been sorted out quickly and that's how it sounds to me. Five years ago it probably wouldn't have made the news but the BBC are very sensitive these days.

Harry Redknapp once said 'football fans would cheer Saddam Hussein if he scored 20 a season' and that's true of fans of most things. So long as they're putting the proverbial ball in the proverbial net, nothing else matters.

the other incidents you mention are quite different, as you well know, but hey, don't let that spoil a good rant.

Okay how about this one; Jeremy Clarkson has punched somebody before. Piers Morgan. He wasn't sacked from anything for that.

Clarkson - Trilogy

It seems to escape you JC was on his final warning.

Man up, you somehow manage all the weeks when TG isn't on. If you can't cope, just watch one/two/three of the plethora of repeats elsewhere on TV.

If that doesn't help you'll have to set up an internet support group. Must be plenty of people feeling just like you. Well, hopefully none exactly like you. ;)

Clarkson - jamie745

Are you suggesting that if Richard Hammond had lamped the producer, he would've remained in his position on account of not being on a final warning?

Oh I won't be short of Top Gear. I'm going to the Live show in London in November - live shows the BBC incidentally can't cancel. Ha. Hahhaa.

Clarkson - Trilogy

Yes, but only he'd have been picking on someone bigger than himself. :)

Clarkson - brum

Jamie commented that......James May said this was a minor incident which should've been sorted out quickly and that's how it sounds to me.

But by his own admission he too was "leathered" so how is he in a position to pass judgement?

Clarkson continued his hissy fit after Oisin left and started picking on other members of the crew. This was not just a bar room brawl.

And yes the world has changed a lot in the last 5 years. Lots of bully's, peodophiles, perverts, money launderers, tax evaders, expense fiddlers, corrupt system abusers can no longer hide behind their cosy positions of power or money.

And on that bombshell......

Clarkson - Bromptonaut

It is said he thought he had lost his job.

I'f he's BBC employee then he will simply be moved to another programme. If TG was produced by an independent company for the BBC then either the company will get other work or not. Same if he's a freelance. Welcome to the recovering economy.

The idea that he should tolerate being physically assualted and verbally abused so as to keep his job is justt so 19th century. It's said that Clarkson's behaviour impinged on other hotel guests. If so then that in itself may be gross misconduct. JC was on a final warning FFS, he really should have been more careful.

As to the rest of your essay in whataboutery:

Bacon was sacked from Blue Peter becuase it was a children's programme. If every performer who'd taken cocaine was cast into the outer darkness then the schedule really would be as boring as you suggest. Same goes for Brand. Even Jezza may be rehabilitated after a period to reflect.

Grantham had done his tariff and was on licence. Do you wnt ex-cons to be rehabilitated or should we deny them opportunity to do the 'ex' bit.

As for Churchill well helloooooo. Most of the establishment in the thirties was pro appeasement. The BBC kepy Churchill of airways becuase thay were leaned on by the establishment. Much of the popular press thought Hitler and Mussolini to be splendid chaps, just what their respective ompanies needed. If the King had had his way after Chamberlain fell Halifax would have been PM and he'd have tried to make peace with AH.

There was even a school of thought that siad UK needed a dictator - 'Hurrah for the Blackshirts'. It was only the 1945 landslide that finally cemented democracy into place in our government.

Even the Hutton cover up dies not blame the BBC for Kelly's death. You really are scraping the barrell by that point.

Clarkson - xtrailman

The last WW was all pointless in the end, europe is ruled by Germany effectivly they are our masters.

Clarkson - Bromptonaut

The last WW was all pointless in the end, europe is ruled by Germany effectivly they are our masters.

Yeah right. And the moon is made of green cheese.

Clarkson - jamie745

As to the rest of your essay in whataboutery:

I notice you completely glossed over the bit about Mark Thompson biting a producer yet going on to be Director General of the BBC. Does your silence on that one suggest you can't defend that one?

Clarkson - Leif
Bromptonaut, You quoted a sentence I wrote, and then continued but addressed points made by Jamie. Regarding Oisin, I read a quote from him that he thought he had lost his job. I do not disagree with what you wrote, but having been on the receiving end of abuse from managers, it is very frightening and intimidating, even when they are in the wrong. I've been in the position where people lie to support their friend. I suspect it was very traumatic and frightening for Oisin.
Clarkson - Trilogy

Jamie634, you know very little about TV if you think the entire production team is currently unemployed.

Clarkson - brum

More tidbits here. Looks as if Clarkson was way out of line.

www.express.co.uk/news/showbiz/567006/Top-Gear-tea...n

Clarkson - jamie745

Forgive me if I don't indulge in the writings of the nations best paper rags. Every single article written about Clarkson depends on the editorial point of view; ie whether the journalist likes him or not. Tiresome stuff.

Clarkson - brum

OK so you won't look at the evidence. I know that papers can be biased and sensationalist, but they are obliged by law and threat of litigation to quote source verbatim.

IMO it is you that is getting tiresome in your blind loyal defence of this individual and attacks on the BBC inspite of all the evidence slowly emerging.

Edited by brum on 29/03/2015 at 21:03

Clarkson - jamie745

I've read what happened. Some knobs had a dust up in a hotel and somebody got a smack in the mouth. It really doesn't warrant two weeks of national media coverage.

I just think it's a great shame the BBC have thrown away millions and ended the best thing they broadcast over something relatively trivial which could've been sorted out behind closed doors with minimal fuss.

I don't know Jeremy Clarkson so I'm not interested in defending him personally. My motivation is selfish. I'd rather Top Gear was on tonight so I don't really care what he has or hasn't done.

Clarkson - Leif
Jamie, having been the victim of abuse by managers more than once, I could not disagree with you more.. It sounds like you want to live in a world without employment law.
Clarkson - jamie745

I don't count the entertainment business as part of the real world so that point is irrelevant.

You can't apply real world standards to people who live on other planets. It's why Eric Cantona can drop kick a Crystal Palace fan and return to work a few months later. It's why Luis Suarez can bite three people and earn £200,000 a week. Talent always wins.

I want to live in a world where Top Gear is on telly on a Sunday so I'm not too bothered about what happens behind the scenes. Really the BBC's decision doesn't change a lot. Clarkson will be back (he's hosting Have I Got News For You in a few weeks time) and he'll continue to earn millions and millions of people will still watch it. Whatever he does.

Clarkson - brum

Step away from the keyboard.....Do not feed the troll......

Clarkson - Avant

This thread is moving away from Clarkson and Top Gear. If it really must continue, it can do so in the General section.

Clarkson - Leif
You are right, he is trolling.
Clarkson - jayem

Jamie365

You appear to be in thrall to Top Gear and Jeremy Clarkson to an almost unhealthy degree. That's your prerogative, of course, but your continued quoting of huge sums of money and equally large numbers of viewers being solely down to the abilities of Clarkson and his two mates as justification for ignoring the laws of the land borders on paranoia. As far as I am aware Clarkson had been given a final warning that his future employment was on the line as a result of earlier misdemeanours. He then assaults a colleague both verbally and physically (whist under the influence of alcohol if subsequent reports are to be believed). I find it almost incomprehensible that anybody could summon up any support for the argument that a blind eye should be turned and the whole thing forgotten. Had the assistant producer lamped Clarkson I doubt that his employment would have continued beyond the end of that week.

The entertainment value of BBC programmes is utterly irrelevant in this particular context.

Clarkson - jamie745

your continued quoting of huge sums of money and equally large numbers of viewers being solely down to the abilities of Clarkson and his two mates

I don't think it's out of line to attribute almost 100% of Top Gear's success to Clarkson. The original Top Gear was rubbish before he was on it and it was rubbish after he left, resulting in its swift cancellation. The other two have become popular as well of course but individually they're nothing special.

I find it almost incomprehensible that anybody could summon up any support for the argument that a blind eye should be turned and the whole thing forgotten.

Well that's a very nice politically correct viewpoint you express and most people probably feel they have to say something along those lines whether they believe it or not. All I know is there was nothing worth watching on TV on Sunday.

It's only been a couple of weeks and the BBC are already talking about how his return cannot be ruled out. He's fronting the TG Live shows in April. He'll be back on the BBC in May. He's not going anywhere and it's only a matter of time before Top Gear is back.

Do you find that incomprehensible?

Clarkson - jayem

Yes.

Clarkson - jamie745

Well sorry but that's how it is. In fact it's been confirmed today the Top Gear live shows in the UK will go ahead, but stripped of BBC branding. Trying to cancel them would result in a bigger lawsuit than the BBC could afford - from me mostly, because I have tickets.

Clarkson - alan1302

Well sorry but that's how it is. In fact it's been confirmed today the Top Gear live shows in the UK will go ahead, but stripped of BBC branding. Trying to cancel them would result in a bigger lawsuit than the BBC could afford - from me mostly, because I have tickets.

Shows get cancelled all the time - no lawsuits would get anywhere.

Clarkson - jamie745

Shows don't get cancelled because a seperate company doesn't let one of the performers on telly for them. Clarkson has a seperate contract with BBC Worldwide I believe.

Anyway that doesn't really matter. The good thing is the shows are going ahead.

Clarkson - Ordovices

I'm not too bothered about what happens behind the scenes.

So I suppose the re-showing of Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris shows wouldn't be wrong, after all, it happened behind the scenes and they were immensely popular.

Clarkson - brum

Following what he described as a “dark night of the soul”, Clarkson said he hoped to “regain the trust of the British public” by dedicating his time and financial resources to sustainable energy, road safety and forging mutual understanding and tolerance between people of different cultures and religions.

The 54-year-old said that the “fracas” last month, in which he punched a producer on the patio of a North Yorkshire hotel, had prompted him to “re-evaluate his priorities” and reflect deeply on his life, behaviour and carbon footprint.


www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/01/jeremy-clark...t

Edited by brum on 01/04/2015 at 18:00

Clarkson - jamie745

So I suppose the re-showing of Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris shows wouldn't be wrong, after all, it happened behind the scenes and they were immensely popular.

Completely different situations and you know it so stop being pathetic. The BBC have actually broadcast a repeat of Top Gear on BBC Three since this all blew up so the BBC know it's not the same thing. Dave will be showing Top Gear daily as usual so not a lot has changed.

Off topic; I always knew there was something funny about Savile anyway.

Clarkson - Leif

Don't bother, Jamie seems to think a rather vicious verbal and physical assault is a minor incident.

Clarkson - Ordovices

Probably the result of going to a private boys school, sodomy is probably treated as a bit of a lark as well.

Clarkson - jamie745

Don't bother, Jamie seems to think a rather vicious verbal and physical assault is a minor incident.

You're missing the point; I don't care what happened. The show is good so I want it to stay on. I'm really not bothered what sort of scuffles the people involved have off screen.

If I did care what happened, I'd still be sceptical of the version of events put out by the BBC. At first we hear it's a minor scuffle with a split lip, but after the BBC's most talented fiction writers have had two weeks to sex it up, it becomes a vicious 30 minute attack.

The truth is probably somewhere in between, as it usually is with these things. I also don't buy the portrayal of the producer as being this shy, timid, poor little victim character. He's worked on that show for years and spent many thousands of hours with Clarkson and the others, you're not telling me they've never had rows before?

Clarkson - Leif
You do talk complete carp Jamie. There are so many newspaper interviews with witnesses, which match the BBC account, that we cannot doubt that it was a vicious assault. Your account is fiction. The BBC did not release details. They investigated then released a statement. You are confusing the BBC account, with badly sourced title tattle in newspapers and online published before the BBC report was released. As for the producer being shy and timid, I don't know where you get that from, or what relevance it has.
Clarkson - jamie745

Leif I don't read newspapers so I haven't read any of these interviews or even heard about them, but like I said; I don't care what happened. I want the show back on.

Harry Redknapp once said football fans would cheer Saddam Hussein if he scored 20 a season. It's a similar dynamic at work here.

I still don't completely buy the BBC version of events because it just sounds far fetched and unrealistic. I'm sure something happened, but it's definitely been sexed up a bit to make it more interesting.

Clarkson - concrete

After 294 posts I thought I would contribute. I do believe that anyone who assaults a colleague at work should face discipline, which happened here. Anyone who seriously thinks that this decision has been arrived at behind closed doors and with rigged evidence has clearly never been involved in an employee disciplinary investigation or employment tribunal, which is run along similar lines. Exceptions cannot be made simply because the programme presenter is popular with the public. If you scrap this rule and let Clarkson off, then what happens when someone assaults you at work and there is now no rule to discipline them? Will you forgo your chance at justice for that? It is impossible to choose which rules to apply and to whom: that is just chaos. I dare say if we all spent a couple of hours in the company of Clarkson there would be those who liked the experience and those who didn't. Like everyone else he can't get on with everyone, but at least he should be able to tolerate them and not resort to verbal or physical abuse. Every thing else is a side issue.

I quite like Clarkson, simply because what you see is what you get and he usually speaks his mind, which is refreshing, if not always enlightning or comfortable. I hope he can draw a line under this one and move on. No doubt there will be some project that suits his particular style and he will return to our screen sooner rather than later.

Cheers Concrete

Clarkson - Leif

James May has confirmed he would not work on Top Gear without Clarkson, he says it would not work, and I am sure he is right. So, that's TG presented by Dickie Hammond then. Exciting. Or not. Actually I'd rather watch paint dry, or wood warp.

Clarkson - galileo

The current Viz magazine has at least three features taking a view on Clarkson, depending on your sense of humour, some are quite funny.

Clarkson - Ordovices

So what would the new line up be, given that the winning formula appears to be; a blokey northern bigot and xenophobe, something small and cute for the ladies, and a pseudo intellectual hippy with a potential orientation issue to appeal to the minorities?

Clarkson - Leif
Interesting that a Northern bigot and xenophobe, as you characterise him, is the presenter of the world's most popular factual TV programme. Maybe Johnny foreigner knows something that we don't. Interestingly the London borough mayor found guilty of corruption used accusations of racism to silence his critics.
Clarkson - Ordovices

You have confused racism and xenophobia. Try googling for an explanation.

You also seem to have confused top gear with a factual tv programme, on that bombshell goodnight.