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Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - nemesis2K
Hi I just bought a car today off of a dealership. I couldn't fill in the v5c forms as he is waiting on them coming back from the dvla as the license plate is a cherished number.

I got home and realised there is no mot disc on the windscreen, I phoned him up and he said it was sent off with the v5c and will come back in the post shortly, when it does he will inform me straight away and I have to stop driving. He will then come to me and we can fill out the new form together so I can tax it and put it on the insurance.

Am I understanding this right? I'm currently driving a car owned by him so my insurance is third party only (I'm fully comp normally) and I'm under his tax until the forms come back.

He said that if I get questioned by authority about anything including the mot disc I can tell them the situation and I'll be fine.

Will I be? Also does that mean I have to pay new license plates or does he give me new ones?

Thanks

Edited by nemesis2K on 04/02/2015 at 20:35

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - RobJP

Go to the DVLA website, and look up the law - it changed last year.

Oh, and the dealer is wrong. You MUST NOT drive the car on the highway until you have applied for and paid for road tax. Doing so is a criminal offence, and ignorance of the law is of no excuse.

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - nemesis2K
But isn't it taxed already in the dealers name until he gets the forms back?

I'm a new driver, it's a bit of a convoluted situation and I'm trying to learn all the legal ins and outs, the dvla website is clear about most situations... Just not this one :(
Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - nemesis2K
I seen this on the dvla website.

Registration certificates

DVLA will send you registration certificates for both vehicles showing the new and replacement registration numbers.

These should arrive within 4 weeks of the confirmation letter. It can take up to 6 weeks if a V62 application was used to support the application.

You must not sell or get rid of your vehicle until you receive a new registration certificate, as the new keeper will be entitled to keep the registration number if they want to.

Also done a tax check and the cars untaxed from 1st December 2014

Would I be safer just appling for my own v5 form for £25 and keeping the plate?

Can take them up to 10 weeks for the transfer.
Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - RobJP

If the old owner has said they want to keep the plate, then it's theirs.

As you have pointed out, the DVLA guidance has said that if it is taxed as is, then the reg no will stay on the car - and you know you are not entitled to it.

Keeping something you are not entitled to ... their is another word for that. Five letters long, starts with t, and ends in heft. Do you really want to go there ?

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - nemesis2K
please don't assume I am intending to be a thief. I am following the rules on the dvla website.

It states that the owner or keeper should not sell the vehicle until he has received the new log book. He did sell it to me, and (as the new keeper) have the right to keep the plate on it.

He has left me in a position where I cannot tax the car unless I request my own v5 logbook from the dvla. Should I ask him to pay for the tax in the interim and he can get a refu d when they have resolved the whole plate issue.

Edited by nemesis2K on 04/02/2015 at 23:03

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - RobJP

Sorry. I wasn't intending to accuse you of that - badly worded by me.

You bought a car off a dealership - your agreement is with them. If they've ballsed things up, then you could ask them to unwind the deal, or to provide you with a (TAXED AND LEGAL) car until the paperwork comes through.

There are two possibilities as I see it.

1. The old owner wanted to keep the plate. The dealers haven't sent the paperwork off before now, as it would have been a pain if they'd then sold the car, as they wouldn't have had a registration to put on it, etc. So they left it until they had a sale, not realising it might take a while.

2. The old owner doesnt want the plate, but a salesman/the dealership reckons the plate is worth a bit. As such, they want it for themselves. Again, it's going to take a while.

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - nemesis2K
No worries :)

He left me with the Impression that the forms were sent off a few weeks ago and should be here any day and when they come through will drive up to me and do the change over.

I will phone him tomorrow and ask if he can tax the car for me until they come through, providing he has the info required to do so.

What about the MOT disc, the car is MOT'd until May but he sent off the disc with the v5 form to sort out the plate.
Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - RobJP

The dealer can't tax the car for you - that was ramoved from a virtually all garages a few years ago, too many were taxing cars on their own insurance, for people who didn't have insurance (and taking a backhander for doing it). Technically, a few main agents can do it, but it's incredibly rare.

The MOT will just be re-issued, same expiry date, for the new numberplate on the car.

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - nemesis2K
Thanks for all your advice btw.

Will I get new plates to put on the car? Or do I have to do something to get my own plate after he takes back the ones currently on it?
Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - RobJP
Thanks for all your advice btw. Will I get new plates to put on the car? Or do I have to do something to get my own plate after he takes back the ones currently on it?

When a car is first registered, it is 'assigned' a registration. That registration will go back onto the car.

When all the paperwork comes through, there will be a letter from DVLA, allowing you to purchase a set of numberplates for that registration. Hopefully, the dealer will sort out that for you (and pay for it!), failing which, you can get it done at any branch of H********, or at a lot of garages (by garages, I mean places that fix cars, not those that sell petrol).

The reason I know this lot : I've got a private plate on my car. So I've had all the wonderful experiences of transferring plates, things taking forever (or coming back in 2-3 days), and the whole list of what can go right or wrong, when taking a plate off a car, or putting it onto another.

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - nemesis2K
It definatly sounds like something I never want to deal with lol


Well I phoned the dvla and the told me it has to be kept off road until the forms come back, there is nothing that anyone can do, the car cannot be declared off road or taxed or driven in the mean time.

So I phoned the dealership to find out when the forms were sent, as I need this car for work. They will find out from the employee when he sent them and get back to me. But also said multiple times, and I quote.

"If the car is ever sent a fine for the tax we will pay that"

How do I take that

Edit: which I realise is a £40 fine if paid within 28 days.

Edited by nemesis2K on 05/02/2015 at 09:09

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - RobJP
It definatly sounds like something I never want to deal with lol Well I phoned the dvla and the told me it has to be kept off road until the forms come back, there is nothing that anyone can do, the car cannot be declared off road or taxed or driven in the mean time. So I phoned the dealership to find out when the forms were sent, as I need this car for work. They will find out from the employee when he sent them and get back to me. But also said multiple times, and I quote. "If the car is ever sent a fine for the tax we will pay that" How do I take that Edit: which I realise is a £40 fine if paid within 28 days.

Type a letter which goes like this :

"I, (person's name), do hereby declare that if (your name) is stopped by police or other authorities, and is fined/prosecuted for failure to have valid car tax (aka road fund licence), in the period up until the new registration has been applied to the car currently bearing the registration (XXXXX), then I will take personal liability for any fine or points to be applied, and will undertake to refund (your name) of any such fine, and to pay the surplus of any insurance premium that they may have to pay as a result of any points thus suffered'.

Print it out, take it into them, and ask them to sign AND DATE it. When they ask why, say it's so that if you do get stopped, then you've got enough to ensure your backside is covered.

I very much doubt you'll get a signature.

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - skidpan

I got home and realised there is no mot disc on the windscreen

Never had an MOT disc on the windscreen. We have 3 cars in the household at present with cuuent MOT's and none have a disc.

So why would you expect to see one.

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - Armitage Shanks {p}

Never heard of, nor ever had, an MOT disc. It used to be a bit of paper you kept at home and now, I think, it just a paper record on a computer database.

Edited by Armitage Shanks {p} on 05/02/2015 at 11:35

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - Bromptonaut

Never had an MOT disc on the windscreen. We have 3 cars in the household at present with cuuent MOT's and none have a disc.

So why would you expect to see one.

I think the OP is in Northern Ireland where the MoT is a disc which must be shown in the windscreen.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 05/02/2015 at 13:35

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - focussed

Never had an MOT disc on the windscreen. We have 3 cars in the household at present with cuuent MOT's and none have a disc.

So why would you expect to see one.

I think the OP is in Northern Ireland where the MoT is a disc which must be shown in the windscreen.

That sounds seriously sensible, having a disc stuck to the windscreen indicating the validity of the MOT.

Far too sensible to be introduced on mainland UK though.

Edited by focussed on 06/02/2015 at 12:46

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - skidpan

Never had an MOT disc on the windscreen. We have 3 cars in the household at present with cuuent MOT's and none have a disc.

So why would you expect to see one.

I think the OP is in Northern Ireland where the MoT is a disc which must be shown in the windscreen.

That sounds seriously sensible, having a disc stuck to the windscreen indicating the validity of the MOT.

Far too sensible to be introduced on mainland UK though.

We used to have disks on the screen showing the car had been taxed. That has now been abolished, its checked electronically.

What would having a disc on the screen showing the car has a current MOT prove when its checked electronically. Anyone with a PC and suitable software could make a tax disc, same would apply to an MOT disc.

Totally pointless.

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - Bromptonaut

What would having a disc on the screen showing the car has a current MOT prove when its checked electronically. Anyone with a PC and suitable software could make a tax disc, same would apply to an MOT disc.

Totally pointless.

Provided the infrasructure is in place to read VRNs and compare to database that's correct; tax or MoT are Y/N digital questions. Where it doesn't work so well is with insurance where answer can be 'maybe' depending on who is driving or whether car is going to school or delivering Pizzas.

Honda Civic type s gt - Used car, no mot disc, mot is up in May - focussed

Never had an MOT disc on the windscreen. We have 3 cars in the household at present with cuuent MOT's and none have a disc.

So why would you expect to see one.

I think the OP is in Northern Ireland where the MoT is a disc which must be shown in the windscreen.

That sounds seriously sensible, having a disc stuck to the windscreen indicating the validity of the MOT.

Far too sensible to be introduced on mainland UK though.

We used to have disks on the screen showing the car had been taxed. That has now been abolished, its checked electronically.

What would having a disc on the screen showing the car has a current MOT prove when its checked electronically. Anyone with a PC and suitable software could make a tax disc, same would apply to an MOT disc.

Totally pointless.

Not pointless at all IMHO.

All my vehicles here in France have vignettes (stickers) on the rhs of the windscreen with the current insurance details on them-anyone can see that the vehicle is insured and with whom. The two cars also have the same sort of vignette with the current status of the french version of the mot, the registration card also gets a sticker providing a record of the mot that stays withe vehicle-the motorcycles don't have any mot over here.

The insurance details are with the vehicle because it's the vehicle that is insured over here-not the driver.