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Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - Captain Fantastic

We have a Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 model. The engine warning light keeps coming on. It has been back to the garage three times. Each time they plug in the diagnostic and run an emissions test but can find nothing wrong. Immediately after the garage visit, the light is extinguished but then after 5 miles it comes back on again and stays on persistently, despite there being no apparent problem with the car. Is it simply the sensor at fault and can it be ignored? The garage told us that there may be sensitivity to supermarket petrol which has lower additives. Is this true?

Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - skidpan

The garage told us that there may be sensitivity to supermarket petrol which has lower additives. Is this true?

The people at the garage are idiots who are saying this because they don't have a clue.

All fuel sold in the UK meets the BS standards required and all manufacturers selling cars in the UK state these BS standards as the minimum required.

If the fuel was the problem it would affect every Corsa sold.

Go to a different garage that knows what they are doing.

Edited by skidpan on 13/01/2015 at 10:47

Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - Railroad.
That means all fuel sold in the UK meets the British Standards. It does not mean all purchased at the pumps in the UK is exactly the same quality. This argument has been done to death. Skidpan loves supermarket fuel in his cars. He probably has shares in Asda and Tesco. Personally I'd listen to your garage. I never touch supermarket fuel. My car runs definitely runs worse on it.
Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - skidpan
That means all fuel sold in the UK meets the British Standards. It does not mean all purchased at the pumps in the UK is exactly the same quality. This argument has been done to death. Skidpan loves supermarket fuel in his cars. He probably has shares in Asda and Tesco. Personally I'd listen to your garage. I never touch supermarket fuel. My car runs definitely runs worse on it.

All fuel sold is exactly the same quality and from a small number of depots, its simply different brands have different snake oil in them which BS does not specify. I buy Supermarket fuel because all my cars in the past 30 or so years have been fine on it. It meets the BS quality which is what manufacturers specify.

I have never noticed any of my cars running better on branded fuel, in fact when I raced I bought my fuel from Asda just like I always did at the time. If I had thought a few pence a litre would have given me an advantage I would have jumped at it. Plenty of trophys for my troubles.

Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - Railroad.
Yet that 'snake oil' as you put it is what helps keep modern engines clean and enhances performance and maintains emissions. They are just ever so slightly necessary in cars of today. Only the fuel base stock is required to meet minimum standards, and that's all the same regardless of where you buy it. The additives are not all the same, meaning what you buy at the pump and put in your tank is not all the same.

Do you apply the same thinking when buying food. Beef for example has to meet minimum standards but that doesn't mean it's quality doesn't vary. You get what you pay for, and road fuel is no exception.
Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - skidpan

I am fully aware that fuels are better than they were 40 or more years ago and I appreciate that the additives are partly responsible for this. But having run one car for 113,000 miles form new almost solely on supermarket fuel I am realistic enough to realise that the additives were more than adequate since the car was running perfectly and passing its MOT's on emmisions with no issues.

There is one major factor that keeps modern engines clean compared to their aincient cousins and its called fuel injection. Wheras a carburettor would meter the fuel in an OK manner injection and the sensors in the engine and exhaust ensure that the optimum fueling is achieved all the time. Cold running with cars was a very dirty affair with most owners struggling to operate the choke knob in anything like the optimum way, guilty myself. This clean running ensures that engines do not get gummed up like they did in the past, my first car required a scheduled de-coke every 30,000 miles and the owners handbook detailed exactly how to do it.

If you wish to belive that branded fuels are better go ahead and keep spending your money, why should I care. What I do care about are owners using garages that are so incompetent that they use the supermarket fuel arguement the moment they cannot find a fault. And that includes some franchised dealers.

I have suggested on more than one occation that the owners get the garage to write a report stating that supermarket fuel was/is to blame for their cars problems. On every occation the garage has refused.

Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - Gibbo_Wirral

If you wish to belive that branded fuels are better go ahead and keep spending your money, why should I care.

You obviously care enough to come on here and belittle anyone who dares to use non supermarket fuel or third party additives.

Edited by Gibbo_Wirral on 13/01/2015 at 13:18

Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - skidpan

You obviously care enough to come on here and belittle anyone who dares to use non supermarket fuel or third party additives.

I am not belittling anyone. I am putting forward my opinion that supermarket fuels are in no way inferior to branded ones and that the different additives used make no difference to the performance of the car.

Remember this is a public forum, do you wish to get me prevented from posting opinions that differ from yours. If so ask Avant to ban me.

Edited by skidpan on 13/01/2015 at 13:38

Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - pd

This is all very interesting but not a lot of help to the original poster. Has the garage given any indication as to exactly why the light is coming on? Obviously it is coming on because the car has stored some sort of error code - if you can find out what that code is and a description of the fault (and you should be able to - you've paid for the diagnosis) then people may be able to point you in the right direction or you could google it and see if it a common Corsa issue.

Without knowing the code it is impossible for anyone to say.

Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - Railroad.
This conversation is starting to get boring. Back to the OP. Which lamp is coming on? Is it the car with the spanner or the engine symbol? The latter is the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL), and relates to the vehicle EOBD system which monitors engine emission data. Some understanding of EOBD system and requirements will help you here. If the lamp is on then a fault code/s will have been logged. You can tell if fault codes have been recently erased because some of the EOBD readiness monitors will be set to 'Not Ready' or 'Inc', and the fuel trim values will have been reset. Fault codes fall into two categories.
1. Circuit faults, either open or shorted to earth.
2. Faults that have an effect on a sensor or component.
Faults that fall into the second category are rarely obvious, and many go mis-diagnosed. People who have little or no knowledge of modern car engine management systems usually fail to understand why this is. To help you to understand you must train yourself to think the way a computer works. For example if you stuck a potato up the exhaust the engine would run very poorly or not at all, and the MIL may illuminate. This would be because manifold vacuum would be low and the fuel mixture would be rich. So what would the ECM think? A fault code relating to MAP sensor and/or O2 sensor may be reported. Yet we know that the problem is a blocked exhaust, but the ECM wouldn't know there was a potato stuffed in it. A technician who wasn't particularly knowledgable would replace the MAP sensor and O2 sensor, but in this case the fault would not be cured since those components aren't faulty. Am I making sense?

You need to know what the fault codes are, and then you need to check the operation of the component it relates to so that you can determine if it works properly or not. Then based on what fault code you have you need to establish what could cause that code and start diagnosing. No one is saying it's easy or obvious, but this is the only way you're going to find your fault.
Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - skidpan

This conversation is starting to get boring.

I stated the simple facts.

You made it boring by starting the whole branded vs supermarket debate again.

Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - skidpan

Without knowing the code it is impossible for anyone to say

The OP said in his first post there were no codes which is why I said go to a different garage that knows what they are doing.

Edited by skidpan on 13/01/2015 at 14:42

Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - Railroad.

And also why we need to know which lamp is on. The engine symbol lamp is EOBD and the car with a spanner lamp is manufacturer specific, which if lluminated would explain why his garage can't see a code, since their equipment may not support them. EOBD codes should be able to be read by any EOBD scantool, but as I said earlier, knowledge of what EOBD is would be very helpful. Not all garages or technicians do know, and that's the problem.

Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - Dr Mike

And also why we need to know which lamp is on. The engine symbol lamp is EOBD and the car with a spanner lamp is manufacturer specific, which if lluminated would explain why his garage can't see a code, since their equipment may not support them. EOBD codes should be able to be read by any EOBD scantool, but as I said earlier, knowledge of what EOBD is would be very helpful. Not all garages or technicians do know, and that's the problem.

Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - Dr Mike

I have a Volvo V70 and also have experienced a warning light problem for the emission control system.

To cut a long story short, I am certain it is caused by something in Esso petrol from a normal retail outlet (not supermarket petrol).

I normally use Shell petrol and experienced no problem for years. However, a few months ago after filling with Esso the warning light came on. My Volvo maintenance man checked it out and said there was no problem on emissions but something in the petrol is probably causing the problem. I subsequently filled up with Shell and the warning light went off after a while (after using the Esso petrol remaining in the lower levels of the fuel tank). Recently I again filled up with Esso and the warning light came on again. Again some time afer topping up with Shell the warning light went off.

No more Esso for me. Seems some suppliers are adding all kinds of 'rubbish' to the petrol these days.

Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - hardway

I've found that these engines are sensetive to spark plug faults,

If it does code then it's multiple cylinder ineremitent missfire,

bit vague but seems to be cured by new plugs.

and they're not that expensive a gamble.

Vauxhall Corsa petrol 1.0 2007 85000 miles - Engine warning light - firefox599

I had the same problem with a Corsa but when I stopped and turned off the engine then started up again, everything was fine. This happened for a few weeks but when I serviced the car the light never came back on again....strange I know but true