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I`m of the opinion that the benifits or otherwise of premium fuels depend on the engine/car involved. My Mazda certanly likes Shell V Power. It runs much nicer when cold and throttle response is better. The same petrol in my wife`s Jazz seems not to make any difference and she probably would not notice anyway. Yer pays yer money and takes yer choice.:-)
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I wouldn't trust supermarket fuels again, some say they all come from the same place, but who knows!
It has to come from the same place (i.e.refinery, see above posts). It's what's happened to it afterwards that makes the difference.
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I wouldn't trust supermarket fuels again, some say they all come from the same place, but who knows!
It has to come from the same place (i.e.refinery, see above posts). It's what's happened to it afterwards that makes the difference.
Came across the following on a forum:
I actually ran my race bike on a dyno once to see what the difference was between supermarket and V power. Same bike, same dyno, same day the V power gave 4bhp more. Not a great deal I agree but in a scenario where 1000ths of a second count I used to use it all the time.
When running my Sprinters I'd regularly get 100 miles per tank more on the expensive as opposed to supermarket stuff, but it's horses for courses really. I do once remember when I was on tankers and delivering fuel additive to Hemel Hempstead talking to a boffin employed by BP and he told me that for pure quality no other fuel could match Shell. Make of that what you will.
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Again, imo some heresay taken out of context and misinterpreted.
4 bhp difference is within measuring tolerance on a dyno when you consider other variables a lot of which are external and certainly a race bike would be difficult to get a consistent result.
BP boffin talking Shell quality? Yes he would, because hes talking about Shell Vpower DIESEL which has a proportion of GTL which is synthetically derived from LPG and inherently has lower sulphur and other undesired content.
As for 100 miles more per tank, well I'll accept your statement at face value, but have you really been scientific about how you worked that out? Might just be the pump click off point, might be route differences, might be weather, might be inclinination to self justify extra expense.
Premium fuels such as Vpower will have more aggressive detergent additives, so a vehicle with coked injectors spraying poorly will see improvement over time back to its original efficiency.
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Most modern cars have knock sensors which are used to advance ignition timing to take advantage of higher octane fuel - most (if not all) Jap bikes have fixed ignition timing and will not take advantage of "better" fuel. Some Triumphs and BMW S1000Rs will. Most German cars are tested with high octane fuel - particularly BMWs - if you run 95RON you will not get the rated economy or horsepower - the likes of Ford and Vauxhall don't play this trick.
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>>Most modern cars have knock sensors which are used to advance ignition timing
I understood knock sensors detected pinking and retarded the ignition to suit?
The ignition timing's defined by a 3-D map.
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>>Most modern cars have knock sensors which are used to advance ignition timing
I understood knock sensors detected pinking and retarded the ignition to suit?
The ignition timing's defined by a 3-D map.
They're almost the same thing - the ECU continuously tries to advance the ignition to optimize emissions, power and economy but therefore has to keep retarding ingintion as knock starts - having done so, the advancing starts again - all done in microseconds.
It's the base timing that's defined by a 3-D map.
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In the past...someone will now it, a tuning company did a test to find the [98 octane] fuel which gave the test engine the most power......it was Tesco, believe it or not.
In the end, it's all about personal finances.....I'm not well-off, fiancially, so I get the cheapest fuel, and only when I HAVE to be in the area for some other reason...ASDA being the weapon of choice.
In just the same vein, I don't buy tyres just because of the brand name.I buy on price alone.
I have no issues with fuel quality, since I drive to get from A to B. [although I enjoy doing it]
I have no issues with whoever made my tyres, since I will never try to push those tyres beyond acceptable limits ...in other words, I don't care whether they're made by Michelin or Lapsangsoochong, I still do not place faith in them....adjusting my driving style to suit the conditions....rather than, hoping the tyres will grip enough to keep me out of trouble. I have , too many times in the past, been disapponted with tyres enough not to 'trust' anybody's.
The Daihatsu is old-school diesel, so will run on anything....and doesn't have dpxyz filters and floppy flywheels to worry about.
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Agree with the fuel philosophy, but tyres (and brakes) are two vital safety critical items I do not play the "get the cheapest" game with. With tyres, not necessarily choose the ultimate performance as this is a complex issue with many variables, with compromises needed. Value for money is an issue, but cheapest definitely not.
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This thread seems to have forgotten about fuel and supermarkets and settled on budget tyres?
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This thread seems to have forgotten about fuel and supermarkets and settled on budget tyres?
And eye test lol
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>> I don't buy tyres just because of the brand name.I buy on price alone.
Welcome to the world of 'ditchfinders'!
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Never yet found a ditch....been trying for nearly 50 years too.
Having driven many types of vehicle, owned by someone else, I have had zero choice with regards to tyre make.
I ensure legality, soundness and pressure...but have no choice over what the owner choses to fit.
Hence, I place zero reliance on the tyres under me to get me out of trouble...preferring not to get into trouble in the first instance.
I find I soon get to know the limitations, and positives, of whatever tyres are under me.
So, I'm not taking chances, and don't expect miracles from them, either.
AFter all, once one's tryes are becoming worn [out?] then it doesn't matter who made them, or how much they cost, they are not going to 'perform' as well as they once did.
When one buys a 2nd hand vehicle, one is perforce to accept the tyres it comes on.
How many of you buy a brand new car, and immediately change all the tyres, simply because you have issues with the make?
Tyres I would avoid are Goodyear, Dunlop [given the choice] Uniroyal, Michelin [some of them] Continental....but I am quite happy with the cheaper brands, which inevitably are owned by the aformentioned makes....plus, I am happy with remoulds..most especially Kingpin..although I miss the passing of Colway.
I have yet to be disappointed with the cheapest of tyres.....I have found great dismay with the performance of the so-called top brands.....I suppose it's about 'expectations?'
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In the tyre tests I have read in the past whilst budget tyres have only a little less grip in dry conditions their gip in wet conditions can be much less. The one area where they generally fall down is under emergency braking which regardless how carefull you drive is something which cannot be avoided on occasions. The extra distance the budget tyres require to stop can resul in an accident whch could well have been avoided with better tyres. If that accident resulted in the death of a child how would you feel with the knowledge that your budget tyres could well have been a contributory factor in their death even if the child was to blame.
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The tyres you avoid come top in tests for wet driving and stopping as Skidpan says. So you'd rather place cost over safety? Though I cannot see why they have to charge so much for them.
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When one buys a 2nd hand vehicle, one is perforce to accept the tyres it comes on.
How many of you buy a brand new car, and immediately change all the tyres, simply because you have issues with the make?
Tentatively raises hand like he once did in the fourth form...'me sir'.
Once a tyre lets go IMO too easily or doesn't do what i expect of it, the set get removed and sold on and i search via my usual online sources for a set of my own short list at the right price.
I've removed tyres with 8mm on them before now and seldom even with very good tyres do my tyres get below 4mm before replacement.
Removed OE fitment Pirellis from the brand new Hilux within 1000 miles and replaced them with General Altimax UHP's (Vredestein Wintrac in season, superb), the Pirellis were awful but sold on easily for about £40 less than the Generals cost to supply and fit.
I have to drive company owned lorries all year round, with tyres that whilst very legal and perfectly adequate for the task are not what i would choose if the vehicle were mine (i would specify winter tyres for the drive axle at the very least and would not recut any tractor unit/prime mover tyres), so i'm blowed if i'm going to have anything that i'm not entirely happy with on my own vehicles.
My car tyre of choice at the moment is Uniroyal Rainsport 3 for summer use and Nokian winters on the MB, and we run Nokian Z summers and Cooper Weathermaster winters on the Subaru Outback.
All bought cheaply online from a shortlist of makes/models, in most cases as cheap as Chinese tyres could be found at a local tyre place.
Edited by gordonbennet on 18/01/2015 at 14:28
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The tyres you avoid come top in tests for wet driving and stopping as Skidpan says. So you'd rather place cost over safety? >>>>>
Oh, absolutely!
because tests are just that....just like schoolboy experiments!
In the past ..maybe..30-odd years I have never had to perform a balls-out, foot-to-the-floor emergency-type stop. And that is with driving all day, every day, in a great variety of vehicles....including double deck buses in manic urban areas.
For the past 18 years I have been at the sharp end of driver instruction,including skid instruction [using the Swedish Cedergrens skid frame system]
Part of the instruction I, and my colleagues, deliver concerns braking and avoidance techniques.
It is a very simple process...and is made easier by improved driver awareness.
But much of a tyre's stopping abiltiy in adverse conditions is down to the varying type of road surface, and what lies on it. Not forgetting, how the driver initially responds, and what they actually do with the controls.
So the ability for any given driver to stop in a shorter distance is just as much influenced by other factors, as the tyre's ability to stop.
Indeed,sometimes, whilst the initial response is to try and stop, it is subsequently found to be better to not try to stop.
The point I'm making is...whilst tyres will be an important aspect in keeping a lot of drivers 'safe', they aren't the absolute must-have fix.
I would sooner a driver got more education from the variety of sources available, than to rely entirely on what are deemed by others to be, the very best tyres money can buy.
Incidentally, in 25 years of driving buses for a living, I never ever had a 'child suddenly run out in front of me'.....For sure, they did run out, but it was never a surprise....so therefore was dealt with, without drama.
The often-quoted example of the running child is , for me, dramatics, pure and simple.
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Well that puts us all in our place.
alastairq is clearly a driving god and can overcome the inadequacies of his tyres with his incredible technique.
Clearly an expert and we all know what an "expert " is.
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Clearly an expert and we all know what an "expert " is.
Ah, another snide dig from Skidpan. Normal service has been resumed.
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Clearly an expert and we all know what an "expert " is.
Ah, another snide dig from Skidpan. Normal service has been resumed.
Well spotted.
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I'm guessing all supermarket fuels have to reach a number of standards to be sold in the UK, therefore the 'big brands' such as BP/Shell etc are selling the same stuff, but with their own additives with their own claims of performance gains etc.
Personally I use either, ironically the Shell garage on my commute is about 1-2p a litre cheaper than the Tesco - so I'm using Shell at the minute!
What concerns me more is the condition of pumps (and therefore I assume the tanks) of some garages - generally the supermarkets look well maintained, as do the Shell/BP ones, but at a local Harvest station the pumps are very tatty looking (rusty exterior etc) which does not inspire confidence.
Maybe its just my cars, but I've never noticed any performance benefit using a vpower or similar type of fuel over a standard unleaded.
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Edited by alastairq on 19/01/2015 at 07:17
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>>Incidentally, in 25 years of driving buses for a living, I never ever had a 'child suddenly run out in front of me'.
In forty years, I've had two.
The first ran out from behind a parked car, just after I'd turned a corner. Fortunately my speed was slow and I just pushed him over as I did an emergency stop. He ran off. I reported it to the police, but never heard anything.
The second got off a bus and walking round the front of it, stepped out. I slammed on the brakes and put the fan on my Triumph Vitesse through the radiator, because the engine retaining Bowden cable had corroded, but I missed the kid.
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Well that puts us all in our place.
alastairq is clearly a driving god and can overcome the inadequacies of his tyres with his incredible technique.
Clearly an expert and we all know what an "expert " is.
Obviously you don't know what an expert is? As for being a 'driving God'?, then in comparison, maybe I am...certainly my abilities as a driver are assessed rigorously....when was the last time your driving standards were looked at?
However, since I instruct at a high level, for a living, and have done so for years, after spending even more years driving for a living, all I will say is..if I can do it, so can anybody.
The secret is simple. Try making yourself more aware of what is actually going on when driving.
The point I wanted to make was...regardless of what one's purchasing policy is, there will always be limitations.....which should be considered when adopting a drivng style.
The use of 'safety' is an emotive and misleading argument....it is the driver who creates the safest environment when driving, not the price of the equipment.
Edited by alastairq on 19/01/2015 at 07:22
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It is a pity that some people have the need to make snide remarks. I do not know what purpose it serves.
If I have the opportunity to find out what someone who has relevant experience has to say, I prefer to benefit from increasing my knowledge and not have a closed mind.
Worthwhile debate is hampered when point scoring is introduced.
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Quite why people want to take a risk on supermarket fuel v e.g Shell/Esso for what they save a year is beyond me. I know of someone who had a new BMW 5 series. To save peanuts (a couple of pence a litre) every other refill was at a supermarket. This penny pinching is a drop in the ocean. More often than not I see a queue at supermarket filling stations too. IMO, this really is a non story.
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Since all fuel is exactly the same buy where you want and what makes you happy.
We buy from mainly Tesco, we get it while we are shopping. With the points we have been getting 20p a litre off one monthly fill up since July/August which makes for a good saving.
But if I did not shop at Tesco I would not go there to buy my fuel. Asda is more convenient.
You have to queue at most places from time to time. If you don't want to queue drive on.
We save approx. £100 a year with a 5p a litre saving and that is better in my pocket than the oil companies profits. With the xtra savings Tesco have been offering for the last 6 months we have probably saved another £130. That brings my savings up to approx £230 over the past 12 months.
In my opinion £230 is not a drop in the ocean.
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Quite why people want to take a risk on supermarket fuel v e.g Shell/Esso for what they save a year is beyond me. I know of someone who had a new BMW 5 series. To save peanuts (a couple of pence a litre) every other refill was at a supermarket. This penny pinching is a drop in the ocean. More often than not I see a queue at supermarket filling stations too. IMO, this really is a non story.
What risk?
I'd rather go to a big chain with a national reputation to uphold than a one man filling station that happens to display big brand logo's and who's fuel is a lot less fresh - it does go off.
If the big brands want credibility, all they need to do is publish their additives packages for public scrutiny.
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skidpan, you are obviously doing enough miles/using enough fuel, and with Tesco points and their extra offer (which I'd forgotten about) to make it worthwhile. I stand corrected for those making that kind of saving. BTW, I get Tesco points when I fill up at Esso, so get that benefit too. Therefore the difference between supermarket and is even less than I thought. 'Drop in the ocean' was referring to the BMW owner doing the every other fill up.
I know of people who do less than 10,000 miles a year with a 50 mpg car. They buy from supermarkets and think it worthwhile saving peanuts. By the time people have bought one/two over priced packets of crisps, sweets, snacks when paying in supermarket filling station the saving is gone. I never get sucked in to do this. Not that gullible. At about 9 pence a gallon the saving is a paltry £18 a year/ 36 pence a week. Or at 15,000 mles a year/50 mpg = £27/ 54 pence a week. Less than the price of just about any newspaper and certainly takeway coffee.
Risk? Nobody seems to know for sure if there is a difference. If supermarket fuel is inferior I am not prepared to take the risk. We know what happened to hundreds/thousands of Morrsons customers a few years back. Don't remember that ever happening with Esso/Shell.
Off? Where to? My local Esso has lots of customers. Opens to 11.00pm on an 'A' road straight through the village. This isn't a one man filling staion. Tesco points, great prices too. Reduced even more on selected days per week. Employs staff from my village. All good.
Edited by Trilogy on 19/01/2015 at 13:59
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Risk? Nobody seems to know for sure if there is a difference. If supermarket fuel is inferior I am not prepared to take the risk. We know what happened to hundreds/thousands of Morrsons customers a few years back. Don't remember that ever happening with Esso/Shell.
You don't remember the debacle of police Vauxhall Senators, all using the same big brand under contract that needed regular engine rebuilds because of valve damage - the big brand concerned eventually withdrew the fuel - I can't remember which big brand so I won't guess.
Bad batches, contaminated deliveries do occur - affecting supermarkets and big brands - thankfully rarely in both cases.
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We do not do a huge mileage, about 20,000 a year in total. Our cars average about 45 mpg overall. In our area "branded" fuels are at the very least 5p a litre more expensive than supermarket fuel which is over 20 pence a gallon. That is how the £100 annual saving was calculated. The Tesco fuel save has been the icing on the cake for the past 6 months.
As for risk of buying from a supermarket this is no greater than buying at other filling stations. The Morrisons issue a few years ago only affected a small geographic area and relatively few vehicles. At at last they sorted it. Buying from a branded site with a slow tunover is more risky in my book, have an issue and there would be no national press coverage or monies refunded. Approx 50% of fuel in the UK is bought form supermarkets and if there was an issue the Daily Mail would make sure we knew about it. Most fuel related issues in cars are simply poor maintenance.
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Skid pan, the problem is no one has yet come up with a definitiive answer over the issue of which is best.
BTW, do you get your car serviced at a main dealer or an independent?
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BTW, do you get your car serviced at a main dealer or an independent?
Does it matter. You will disagree with whatever I do.
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BTW, do you get your car serviced at a main dealer or an independent?
Does it matter. You will disagree with whatever I do.
Yes it does. But have you the courage to answer?
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BTW, do you get your car serviced at a main dealer or an independent?
Does it matter. You will disagree with whatever I do.
Yes it does. But have you the courage to answer?
What the hell does courage have to do with it.
For what its worth main dealer everytime.
No warranty arguments.
Campaign updates carried out FOC.
In the case of the Kia annual body inpesection carried out FOC.
In the case of the Seat the service plan when bought with the car costs only £10 a month.
Dad had his Micra serviced at a local indy once, he was ill at the time and to get the car collected, serviced, MOT'd, brake fluid changed all for £200 looked like a decent deal. Following week Nissan dealer rang me asking why they had not seen it this year. When he told me they would have charged £150 for the same work and colleced free I was stunned.
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***UPDATE RELEVANT TO MY ORIGINAL POST***
I have conducted my own experiement recently regarding this, as I couldn't find any evidence to suggest premium diesel was better than supermarket fuels.
Firstly, for the whole of December I put Shell V Power Diesel in my 64 plate Mini Cooper SD, at £1.21 oer litre.
Secondly, for the whole of January so far I have used the cheapest diesel I can find, Asda at £1.10 per litre.
On New Years Eve the car was showing 51mpg (after a month of V power) today, driving in to work, it has dropped to 44.9mpg.
You might be thinking "yeah, but he might be driving it harder etc" however, I have not, my journey daily has not changed in this time. I find the car less responsive and I'm actually having to now drive the vehicle much slower to see if that makes any difference, however, it doesn't appear to be making any difference. In fact the 'better' I drive it I'm noticing the mpg is dropping radiply along with the remaining miles in the tank.
As I've said before, I know nothing about the technicalities of motor vehicles and how exactly an engine operates, however - due to my findings I conclude the following, since using Asda fuel my car is losing mpg at a rate of knots. I now know that my car ran alot better with V Power diesel.
To note, a friend of mine has a 13 plate 118d, he has done a similar experiment however, rather than using V power diesel he was using the standard Shell Diesel for a month, this month he has been using Asda also and he has noticed a 5mpg drop on his on board computer and he also stated the car was less responsive and louder with Tesco fuel.
A confusing debate, I guess it is all to do with the vehicle you drive and finding the fuel that suits that vehicle best. I don't think you can generalise too much on this topic, it appears to be a case to case judgement.
Edited by AllTheGearNoIdea on 21/01/2015 at 08:55
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Not conclusive in any way.
December was pretty mild but for the last week. January has been a cooler month (but not arctic). Temp makes a huge difference especially in diesels.
You have not said how many miles you did in December or have done in January.
You have not said if you did any longer trips over the X-Mas/New Year period to see friends, relatives etc like most do.
The final fact is I presume you have been taking these readings from the dash and these displays are notoriously innacurate.
Only way to do and get some reasonably worthwhile data it is over a much longer period using several tank to tank fill ups.
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Agree with Sjidpan.
I trained as a physicist and as such (pedant!) keep logs of all fuel consumed..Unless you use a spreadsheet or Fuelly - to cater for unequal filling up levels - and measure over a couple of thosuand miles - with identyical temperatures and running conditions - traffic, routes, speed etc - any comparisons of mpg are risible.
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And BTW testing on one tank full of any fuel is meaningless as well. You need at least three so any detergents are not diluted, and to ensure they have an impact..
As it's winter just now, my mpg falls 3 from its annuall average..
Edited by madf on 21/01/2015 at 10:05
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From my own recording of fuel consumption, I find the seasonal variation, 3-4 mph on a 33 annual average, is enough to render useless any before-after figures for average drivers, ie 12,000/year. I certainly can't get consistency with 1,000 mile checks.
At 50,000/year I'm sure something definite could be deduced
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I was talking to a friend about this subject last night. His father keeps a log of all fuel bought for every car he has owned. He found consumption was worse when he used supermarket fuel. There was no financial gain by buying it instead of Shell, in his experience. Seems others have different findings.
Stop Press. My Esso filling station is now only £0.01 more each litre than T****. And I get T**** points with every purchase. As for the ascertion ot could be older than supermarket fuel, well, the tanks could be smaller so it may well be fresher than supermarket fuel.
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An independent opinion with a twist. www.autofuelfix.com/blog/supermarket-fuel-vs-brand...e
Supermarket fuel Vs the branded fuel, What’s the difference?
This is a subject that has been discussed on a regular basis throughout motoring forums, whether you get inferior fuel from a supermarket garage compared to the likes of a Shell, BP or Esso petrol stations.
All fuels that are sold in the UK, Petrol or Diesel, will conform to the relevant British Standards. What this means to the general user is that they should all work generally the same way and using the same fuel type from any garage should not cause any issues with your vehicle.<*** class="alignright size-medium wp-image-301" src="http://www.autofuelfix.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/23996567_s-300x200.jpg" alt="Supermarket Vs branded fuels" width="300" height="200" />
All petrol stations use a standard ‘base’ fuel which is supplied from the same refineries across the UK no matter what petrol pump it will end up being pumped from into your tank. The only difference is, the various additives that the different companies add to their fuel before it ends up in your tank. Baring this in mind, it could be the possible reason why some drivers report that their car runs better on some garage fuels over others.
So are Supermarket fuels poorer quality?
The simple answer is in general NO, the fuel all (as mentioned in the above paragraph) comes from the same refineries. BUT the different fuel outlets whether it be a branded filling station or a supermarket filling station, will define a minimum performance level required from the fuel, which results in different levels & types of additives added to the ‘base’ fuel. These additivies can effect the MPG and general running of the vehicle that some drivers may experience more extremely than others, in some cases you may not even notice any difference at all.
Conclusion
Depending on what type of vehicle you are driving, whether it’s been tuned or has a standard map, you may notice differences between using different filling stations, even between the branded ones. BUT the fuel is all from the same refineries which all meets the Britsh Standards, so you can use any to fill up your vehicle with petrol or diesel, knowing it’s all of the same ‘base’ fuel.
<*** class="avatar avatar-60 photo" src="http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/2847d2741f937d7976dcbf2fdc7c3b76?s=60&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D60&r=G" alt="" width="60" height="60" /> Andy Laywood
August 28, 2014 at 6:03 am
Not all fuels are the same I have a Delphi fuel quality tester and I have tested supermarket fuels from various stations and found up to 18% bio diesel in some fuels. The problem there being that the diesel manufacturers only design there systems to take up to 6% bio diesel, hence lots of damaged diesel components and big bills for are customers.
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Thanks for the above link, it backs up my research.
There are several pig headed people posting on here, which actually makes me consider whether or not I want to post on here, it would appear (from generalising) there are a lot of middle age, lonely men being highly critical of posts, blokes who probably live alone with a 1.6 Astra sitting outside.
My advice to those individuals...stop being critical, take peoples points of view, if you disagree then fine - just word it in a less abrupt way.
Honest John Admin - can't you monitor and remove idiots who constantly slate others.
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There are several pig headed people posting on here, which actually makes me consider whether or not I want to post on here, it would appear (from generalising) there are a lot of middle age, lonely men being highly critical of posts, blokes who probably live alone with a 1.6 Astra sitting outside.
My advice to those individuals...stop being critical, take peoples points of view, if you disagree then fine - just word it in a less abrupt way.
Honest John Admin - can't you monitor and remove idiots who constantly slate others.
I'll have you know that I am neither middle aged nor lonely! I am 63 and have a dog....and how did you know about my cherished Astra?? Are you trying to mock me?
I agree that the admin should remove you AllTheGearNoIdea for your inflamatory post, further you should be banned from all other motoring forums for a minimum of six years......perhaps the government should consider deporting you to somewhere not very nice..;)
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I agree with you: there is never a need for rudeness. I do remove gratuitously offensive posts, although a forum is a place for free speech and we must expect people to disagree strongly.
I look at every thread but I find this particular topic so ineffably boring (second only to 'cyclists v motorists') that I confess that I may not have read every word of every post!
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I find this particular topic so ineffably boring
I think that sums up a lot of backroom chitchat nicely..
Btw I was joking about banning AllTheGearNoldea, also about me not being middle aged...I am only 73
Edit: on second thoughts he should be banned for starting such a boring thread thats been covered at least 50 times before....;)
Edited by brum on 21/01/2015 at 13:03
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At present, EU requirements are not specific on detergency, AFAIK, but until an equivalent to "Top Tier" fuels is put in place those fuels which make claims for cleanliness might be prudent to use.
Reference to the 6 engine manufacturers (MB, GM, VW, Honda, BMW and Toyota) and Top Tier fuels here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Tier_Detergent_Gasoline
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What is this "Gasoline" you speak of???
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The talkative sister of Vaseline and Kerosene.
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Gasoline, Vaseline and Kerosene. Fuel to the flames?
Avant, perhaps time to draw a line under this topic and lock it?
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With luck it'll burn itself out....
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With luck it'll burn itself out....
But which fuel would burn it out quicker - that's if you can still see it
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There are several pig headed people posting on here, which actually makes me consider whether or not I want to post on here, it would appear (from generalising) there are a lot of middle age, lonely men being highly critical of posts, blokes who probably live alone with a 1.6 Astra sitting outside.
My advice to those individuals...stop being critical, take peoples points of view, if you disagree then fine - just word it in a less abrupt way.
Honest John Admin - can't you monitor and remove idiots who constantly slate others.
So you start a thread asking for peoples opinions and then since you appear to have decided you don't like some of these opinions you want the posters banning.
Can I give you something to think about. Myself and other have opinions and we come on here to voice them. Being human those opinions differ sometimes.
But for you to come on here as a relatively new poster and begin to categorise these posters just because you don't like what they say and without knowing them is bang out of order.
For the record I don't have an Astra and have never owned them and I don't live alone either.
Discussions on fuel consumption and supermarket fuel have long been the mainstay of many forums. One forum I used to frequent tried to ban such posts but they gave up.
Edited by skidpan on 21/01/2015 at 15:20
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Tsk tsk...skidpan playing the "I am a long standing member, you are a newbie, how dare you" card....
Shut this thread down before war breaks out.....
Edited by brum on 21/01/2015 at 15:49
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I have an Astra................................only joking! Never had a Vauxhall yet. Probably never will.
Best I don't take sides.
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Tsk tsk...skidpan playing the "I am a long standing member, you are a newbie, how dare you" card....
For the record, this time I'm on the newbie's side
Shut this thread down before war breaks out.....
Brum
Check your facts.
Been posting on here since 2012 approx. Hardly a newbie.
If you want a war you will have one.
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There won't be any war on here.
Of course, we would never ban any reasonable motoring topic, so if anyone wants to scintillate us with more thoughts on fuel additives, by all means start another thread.
This one's closing.
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