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Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - MattArch

Hi all,

I recently boguht a Vespa. I did all my checks and made sure it was legit. I checked the V5 Number, Engine Number and Log Book and all checked out.

I was happy using it for the first week but then started to dislike it and stopped using it - instead using the tube.

I went away in November to New York and returned to find a letter from the police saying I was involved in a hit and run (whilst I was away). My vehicle was chained to a tree with 4 locks, 2 are alarmed. and I had the keys in my pocket.

I provided proof and I've heard nothing since. Today I receieved another letter saying I was speeding. I wasn't in the area and I was 100 miles away from London.

I therefore think the vehicle has been cloned.

I've explained this to the police and I will ring on Monday when they are open again to discuss how to procced. I am interested to know what my legal rights are with regards to sale.

As mentioned I dont like riding it and its been unused for a while. I've been waiting for chirstmas to pass before going into sale mode and now this has come around. Am I within my legal rights to sell a vehilce that is Legit (as I am getting the notices I know my vehicle is legit) - when I know it has been cloned? I assume the police will take responsibilty for issuing advice and telling me how to proceed but am I now stuck with this until it is resolved or can I sell it on and deal with the police without the vehicle?

Thanks.

Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - RobJP

Highly unlikely that your vehicle has been 'cloned' - much more likely that someone has simply got a set of fake numberplates made up, and is running around on them.

However, you'd be far better getting it all dealt with before selling it - unless you want a new owner getting a load of grief, and giving said grief back to you in turn.

Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - MattArch

Yes, I believe that's what has probably happened.

I agree it's probably best to deal with the issue first before selling. On this note - does anyone know how long it takes to resolve an issue like this? My experience with this sort of stuff is that it can take months.

I don't really want my vehicle to sit around for a few months whilst it resovles itself otherwise I may lose a large chunk of my original investment..

Thanks all.

Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - RT

Yes, I believe that's what has probably happened.

I agree it's probably best to deal with the issue first before selling. On this note - does anyone know how long it takes to resolve an issue like this? My experience with this sort of stuff is that it can take months.

I don't really want my vehicle to sit around for a few months whilst it resovles itself otherwise I may lose a large chunk of my original investment..

Thanks all.

It'll only get "dealt with" if they catch the other vehicle, could take years, maybe never. If the problem gets as high as a nuisance level for you, DVLA will issue you with a fifferent registration.

Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - MattArch

Thanks for the feedback. That's what I imagined would happen.

In that case am I in the wrong for selling the vehicle?

Before they decide to do that it will take a while to resolve as there is very little chance of catching the guy or girl. I'm just worried there would be some legal reprocussions with selling my vehicle in this situation.

Has anyone else experienced this and know how long I can expect it to go on for before the police resolve it by issuing a new plate?

Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - bathtub tom

I'd suggest making your vehicle unique with large adhesive panels front and rear. Any photo's will then clearly show it's not you.

Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - MattArch

As crazy as that sounds - thats an excellent idea!

To be honest, I've not riden it further than the end of my road which is just to keep the battery and curcuits going. So I know its never me - as well as the dates so far I've been halfway around the world and in a different part of the country.

I am going to go ahead to do this as well for additional peace of mind.

Next point of call is to contact the police on Monday and then discuss how to continue!

Thanks to all for your help - but if you have any additional experiences or comments please feel free to write them down as I have no experience in this situation.

Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - skidpan

I've explained this to the police and I will ring on Monday when they are open again to discuss how to procced

Don't understand this. The Police and other emergency srvices are 24/7 organisations.

For what its worth they don't do legal advice.

Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - MattArch

I need to speak to a specific traffic unit whom was dealing with the issue previously who aren't open on weekends.

I am hoping that they will explain who to speak to and how long I can expect this to go on for before they resolve it with a new reg. By the sounds of it, it could be a long time before they do anything.

My worry is that this guy is taking the mick. Two violations in three weeks. He is using my reg to just go mad it seems. I dont want it to be used in a robbery etc because then I will face bigger issues.

Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - Dwight Van Driver

No body mentionbed it but HM Gov advice:

tinyurl.com/qd284kn

dvd

Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - martint123

I would have thought that this would be an ideal situation for ANPR to concentrate on. Iffy plates being the first step in discovering a lot more about 'matey'

Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - Bromptonaut

I would have thought that this would be an ideal situation for ANPR to concentrate on. Iffy plates being the first step in discovering a lot more about 'matey'

ANPR relies on vehicle being either tagged as 'iffy' in some way (eg unpaid fines) or not on a database (MoT, Insurance). If clone is only being used to avoid VED and insurance without incurring traffic fines then it's not going to 'ping' the ANPR anymore than the legit vehicle will.

In the OP's case one might hope that there are reports on Police files but the OP has same probability of being pulled as the cloner.

Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - RT

Thing is, that DVLA only have one record for that registration number - if they flag it as "iffy" the genuine owner is likely to get pulled just much as the iffy one

Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - Dabooka

Thing is, that DVLA only have one record for that registration number - if they flag it as "iffy" the genuine owner is likely to get pulled just much as the iffy one

That'd be great though, as first time dodgy geezer gets pulled, he/she would get lifted too. I'd happily get stopped 2 or 3 times to clean up my plate. And it must be a common enough occurrence for the rozzas nowadays that they'd be used to dealing with it. Or is that just silly opimisim on my part?!

Vespa 125 - Vehicle Cloned - Am I okay to Sell? - focussed

I had a dodgy speed camera ticket for some part of London where I had never been for the best part of 30 years. The car involved was on sorn as was using another.

I had an independant witness for an alibi at the time the alleged offence had taken place which put me 150 miles a way at that time.

I found out which police station handled that area, called them and reported the incident as a crime, got a crime number and quoted that on the ticket-never heard any more after that.