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Mercedes Sprinter - New vehicle not so new, legal advice please. - Motorhomer

I've just bought a new top-end motorhome from a well established dealer who imports newish LHD campervans from Germany. They come from a very reputable German dealer which is one of the largest sellers of the brand in the country. I suspect that they may be hire models, which are moved on at the end of the season.

My motorhome was advertised as 'Registered in April 2014'. It had about 6500 miles on the clock and its tyres and appearance are as would be expected from a vehicle that has done a low mileage.

However, when I persued the paperwork I discovered that the Mercedes Sprinter base vehicle was manufactured in 2011 and the motorhome was built on it in 2012.

On driving it home it suffered a serious power failure and I took it to a superb Mercedes-Commercial service agent, which diagnosed a faulty EGR valve. They fixed it quickly and accepted from their records that it was only registered in 2014 and the work was done under warranty.

I love the motorhome but worry about the fact that it's been standing around somewhere for two years. I'm concerned about the tyres, the vehicle battery and the three leisure batteries and of course the fact that I've got a vehicle that was over three years old when I collected it.

What are my legal rights? Is a dealer obliged to tell me that a vehicle 'Registered in 2014' was actually made three years earlier?

The price, in my opinion, was based on the premise that it is a newish motorhome. I'm talking about a model that would be about £95K in the UK and for whch I paid £74K.

Any advice will be very welcome and I don't want to talk to the dealer unless I have some legal facts.

Thank you.


Mercedes Sprinter - New vehicle not so new, legal advice please. - FP

My initial reaction is that the vehicle seems to be "as described" and the price seems good, though I'm no expert.

"Is a dealer obliged to tell me that a vehicle 'Registered in 2014' was actually made three years earlier?" - I very much doubt it. A case of "caveat emptor"?

I have no idea whether this sort of time-gap between manufacture and registration is generally common, or more common for this type of vehicle, which is presumably built in smallish numbers.

Mercedes Sprinter - New vehicle not so new, legal advice please. - Palcouk

The sprinter was built by MB in 2011, it was purchased, unused by the Motor Convertor in 2012

Any 'leisure batteries' and associated electrics were new in 2012

You apparently do not have the German registration date for the finished Motor Home.

The Registered in 2014 would apply to the UK registration date, If MB accepted that the first registered date was 2014 you have nothing to be concerned about. The MB warrenty is with regard the original running gear only, warranty for conversion (leisure side) lies with the dealer and possibly the origonal convertor.

Your vehicle requires an annual service which should include at least an oil/filter change, even if you only do 3k miles per year

Mercedes Sprinter - New vehicle not so new, legal advice please. - Motorhomer

The sprinter was built by MB in 2011, it was purchased, unused by the Motor Convertor in 2012

Any 'leisure batteries' and associated electrics were new in 2012

You apparently do not have the German registration date for the finished Motor Home.

The Registered in 2014 would apply to the UK registration date, If MB accepted that the first registered date was 2014 you have nothing to be concerned about. The MB warrenty is with regard the original running gear only, warranty for conversion (leisure side) lies with the dealer and possibly the origonal convertor.

Your vehicle requires an annual service which should include at least an oil/filter change, even if you only do 3k miles per year

The motorhome was registered in Germany in April 2014 and, when the U.K. dealer who imported it in November had obtained type approval, he registered it with the DVLA, which accepted that it had been registered initially in April. Presumably he supplied some kind of proof of that as I can't see the DVLA just accepting his word? The V5 now states that it was first registered in April 2014.

Furthermore, Mercedes confirmed that it was only registered in April and that the warranty started then.

I've no problem with accepting that it has been sitting arround in a showroom and hasn't been used for two years, but I do wonder if there isn't a gap in consumer legislation here. Is it reasonable for instance, that a car can sit around for five years before being registered as a new vehicle? Surely dealers should be made to inform clients of the true age of the vehicle?

Mercedes Sprinter - New vehicle not so new, legal advice please. - RT
I've no problem with accepting that it has been sitting arround in a showroom and hasn't been used for two years, but I do wonder if there isn't a gap in consumer legislation here. Is it reasonable for instance, that a car can sit around for five years before being registered as a new vehicle? Surely dealers should be made to inform clients of the true age of the vehicle?

The 10th character of VIN number gives the model year of the vehicle, chassis cab in this case, it's a worldwide standardise system.

the year 2000. 2001 to 2009 are encoded as the digits 1 to 9, and subsequent years are encoded as "A", "B", "C", etc.

Code Year Code Year Code Year Code Year Code Year Code Year A = 1980 L = 1990 Y = 2000 A = 2010 L = 2020 Y = 2030 B = 1981 M = 1991 1 = 2001 B = 2011 M = 2021 1 = 2031 C = 1982 N = 1992 2 = 2002 C = 2012 N = 2022 2 = 2032 D = 1983 P = 1993 3 = 2003 D = 2013 P = 2023 3 = 2033 E = 1984 R = 1994 4 = 2004 E = 2014 R = 2024 4 = 2034 F = 1985 S = 1995 5 = 2005 F = 2015 S = 2025 5 = 2035 G = 1986 T = 1996 6 = 2006 G = 2016 T = 2026 6 = 2036 H = 1987 V = 1997 7 = 2007 H = 2017 V = 2027 7 = 2037 J = 1988 W = 1998 8 = 2008 J = 2018 W = 2028 8 = 2038 K = 1989 X = 1999 9 = 2009 K = 2019 X = 2029 9 = 2039

Mercedes Sprinter - New vehicle not so new, legal advice please. - Andrew-T

Don't know anything about motorhomes, and of course they are a relatively expensive commodity. But there have been plenty of ordinary cars which have spent months or years parked outdoors waiting for a buyer, and I don't think the eventual owners have a great deal of leverage in arguing about it.

Mercedes Sprinter - New vehicle not so new, legal advice please. - RT

It's normal for motorhome chassis cabs to be built long before the body is fitted, up to 2 years in some cases - the bigger motorhome converters tend to buy their base vehicles in annual batches, to their own specification, but can't accurately predict how well the finished motorhomes will sell.

It's not a new situation so you'd be best enquiring on a motorhome forum how the vehicle warranty cover is dealt with in these cases.

As a complete aside - did you know that the Fiat Ducato and it's Citroen/Peugeot cousins often only use the front part of the chassis cab, fitting an Alko lowline chassis from the cab backwards - to avoid wasting the rear half of the normal chassis, Fiat build a cab/engine at each end for shipment which are then cut in half to make two by the motorhome converter.

Mercedes Sprinter - New vehicle not so new, legal advice please. - SteVee

I went to buy a motorcycle - I phoned beforehand and the dealer said they were just unpacking it from the crate. When I arrived, the frame number showed it was about two years old. I trid to get a deal and although they dropped the price they also dropped the price on my trade in. I didn't buy it.

The age of the 'new' bike was just a bargaining deal. I would guess that a lot of 'leisure' vehicles are a fair bit older than the registration would suggest.

As RT says, read the VIN plate - it will say where and when it was built