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Fri 7 Nov 2014 17:49
driver awareness course - hazzman

i did a speed awareness course in may 2013,and i just been pulled for overtaking a learner driver,(i wasnt speeding as the learner was only doing 18mph) im being done for driving without reasonable consideration,would a course be offered or are the on the same time scale as speed awareness (3 yr)? or is it a different course?

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Fri 7 Nov 2014 17:58
driver awareness course - RobJP

It depends on your local police force area policy.

But you're far more likely to just be prosecuted and given points / fine.

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Sat 8 Nov 2014 10:36
driver awareness course - TedCrilly

You dont get done for driving withour consideration just for overtaking. Come on fess up, what really happened.

BTW penalties are the same for undue care and attention, 3-9 points and a fine that reflects you financial status. I am not aware of any course offered as an alternative but I may be wrong.

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Sat 8 Nov 2014 10:50
driver awareness course - hazzman

there was a learner driver another car and myself, sat behind the learner for miles an oppurtunity came and the car infront overtook i followed, the car in front then decides to turn left so ihad to brake so inturn i assume the learner did,we had to get in because of oncoming traffic

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Sat 8 Nov 2014 12:20
driver awareness course - Ordovices

Definitely the inconsiderate learner at fault, why weren't they going lots faster?? It's your right to make ill considered ovetaking decisions, the other car must take some blame for wanting to turn, and the oncoming traffic shouldn't get away scot free.

When you go to court, just tell them the way it is. The learner will probably get locked up for the sheer nerve of holding you up.

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Sat 8 Nov 2014 14:34
driver awareness course - FP

Very harsh, and unnecessarily sarcastic.

The OP was trapped between the overtaking car in front of him and the learner, when the former, who shouldn't have overtaken at all, turned left.

The OP's mistake was was to follow the first overtaker, rather than wait and make his own, separate, decision about overtaking.

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Sat 8 Nov 2014 15:41
driver awareness course - Ordovices

Is sarcasm ever necessary?

You are entitled to your opinion, I disagree with it.

The OP was impatient and made an ill judged decision, the fact that he will be up before the beak suggests that others agree.

It sounds very much like a follow the leader overtake - sat behind the learner for miles an oppurtunity came and the car infront overtook i followed - we had to get in because of oncoming traffic personally I like to have somewhere to go to when I overtake, not bank on a space appearing.

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Mon 10 Nov 2014 09:45
driver awareness course - Andrew-T

there was a learner driver another car and myself, sat behind the learner for miles an oppurtunity came and the car infront overtook i followed, the car in front then decides to turn left so ihad to brake so inturn i assume the learner did,we had to get in because of oncoming traffic

Maybe this is a lesson learnt. We don't know how well you know that road, but as well as the possibility of the car in front turning left (or right!), another car might join the road from either side. Collisions are always possible and your manoeuvre could have caused one.

When I get stuck behind slow traffic on a fairly quiet road I often look for a lay-by and wait a couple of minutes for it to get away. Much more relaxing, unless every last minute is important to you.

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Sat 8 Nov 2014 18:29
driver awareness course - Avant

Ordovices isn't answering the original question, and as said above it does depend on the policy of the police force in the area where the incident happened. I've only ever heard of courses being offered for speeding, rather than driving without reasonable consideration: so I think it's likely to go to the magistrates' court.

I do have some sympathy, Hazzman: you were unlucky that a policeman saw it, unless there was actually a collision, which I assume there wasn't. All of us could easily do something like this, even the saintly Ordovices..

Edited by Avant on 08/11/2014 at 18:31

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Sun 9 Nov 2014 11:41
driver awareness course - Ordovices

you were unlucky that a policeman saw it

What an incredibly stupid statement!

Try these: Hard cheese Mr Rapist, you got caught out by police work. Sorry Mr Burglar but you were caught red handed. It's unfortunate that the speed camera got you.

Why would any one be considered unlucky, because they were found to have committed an act which the authorities believe is worthy of following up.

All of us could easily do something like this

If you believe that you could easily do something like this, you should consider hanging your car keys up.

I'll let you know the next time I'm reported for something like this.

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Sun 9 Nov 2014 11:57
driver awareness course - RobJP

Avant was making the comment that your reply was of no (or at best, very limited) use. It's easy for any of us to roundly condemn the OP for his actions, but you made no attempt to answer his question. Even your initial reply didn't contain a single bit of useful information, just an attack on the OP.

Maybe you are perfect, never made a single mistake. Or maybe you're just a smug git who likes to point out other people's faults, while utterly failing to notice your own.

Who knows. But I'd be willing to hazard a guess as to which it is.

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Sun 9 Nov 2014 12:08
driver awareness course - Ordovices

I didn't feel I needed to answer the question. You had already, so convincingly, made an answer up, though it doesn't appear to have any fact behind it - hence the "depends" and "far more likely"

I'm not perfect, I make mistakes and I would expect to be dealt with accordingly and proportionately (like having the anti terrorism squad abseil down and crash through my window for a frivolous comment about killing cats).

Edited by Ordovices on 09/11/2014 at 12:08

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Sun 9 Nov 2014 13:45
driver awareness course - RobJP

I'm not perfect, I make mistakes and I would expect to be dealt with accordingly and proportionately (like having the anti terrorism squad abseil down and crash through my window for a frivolous comment about killing cats).

And yet, when you did make such a comment - and it was far from a 'frivolous' comment, as you NOW claim, and people roundly condemned you for it, you reacted as if you'd done nothing wrong, and were the wounded party.

Just as now

There appears to be a pattern here, but I'm pretty sure you can't see it - though I'm also pretty sure most others will be able to see it.

In case you can't see it, it's the behaviour adopted by small children the world over - do something wrong, get punished for it (on here, told off for it), and then sit there pretending it's all everyone else, bullying you, and you did nothing wrong.

Avant has seen fit to criticise you, and, and he seems to be one of the most mild-mannered moderators I've seen on forums anywhere. Your previous comments on various threads would have got you warnings and outright bans on other forums.

So it's either all of us, ganging up on you, and bullying you, and you've done nothing wrong. Or it's you, being a first-rate penile-enhanced cranium.Which do you think is the more likely ?

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Sun 9 Nov 2014 15:21
driver awareness course - Ordovices

Interesting, I hope the irony isn't lost on you.

In case you can't see it, it's the behaviour adopted by small children the world over - do something wrong, get punished for it (on here, told off for it), and then sit there pretending it's all everyone else, bullying you, and you did nothing wrong.

So you accuse me of having the mentality of a small child, just before you, once again, start name calling. ("smug git" was the other)

Let's examine this without frothing at the mouth:
FP said: Very harsh, and unnecessarily sarcastic.
Avant said: Ordovices isn't answering the original question.

Is this what you mean by being told off? I truly hope you're not an educationalist.

As for being bullied, I think your naivety is quite sweet.

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Sun 9 Nov 2014 21:35
driver awareness course - Avant

Has anyone any more constructive advice for Hazzman? If not, I'll close this thread later tomorrow.

Hazzman, I've just noticed that you're new to the forum, and I should have said 'welcome'. Most of us on here, with the odd exception (words chosen carefully!), are glad to help with advice and suggestions: that's what a forum is all about and it's why I can normally afford to be mild-mannered!

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Mon 10 Nov 2014 09:58
driver awareness course - brighteyes
As I see it if there was a driver awareness course on offer I think the local fuzz would have made the offer. It appears to me that the two remaining alternatives are you will receive a fixed penalty notice with the appropriate fine and points or you will receive a summons to appear before the beak if the prosecution think the offence is serious enough that a fixed penalty is inappropriate. Suggest you wait for the postman and hope for the best.
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