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Too good to be true? - keefyyp

I HAVE REDACTED ALL NAMES MENTIONED IN THIS THREAD BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE LED TO LIBEL ACTION AGAINST US AND AGAINST KEEFYYP IN PARTICULAR.

KEEFYYP HAS IGNORED THE FORUM RULE ABOUT NAMING NAMES (WHICH ABSOLVES US FROM ANY BLAME BECAUSE WE MODERATED THIS THREAD SWIFTLY).

ABSOLUTELY OKAY TO WARN OTHER BACKROOMERS AGAINST OBVIOUS SCAMS.

NOT OKAY TO NAME THEM UNLESS THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONVICTED BY A UK COURT OF LAW.

HJ

I've located a car on Autotrader. Price is attractive. Seller is a lady who says her job has moved to USA, hence the attractive price and the reason for the handling of the sale via an intermediary. How it works, according to their email: 1- You will pay the vehicle’s price as agreed with the seller, in our company account ( our Financial Department will issue the invoice for this payment ). 2- Our company will deliver the vehicle in two working days ( the delivery is free of charge because the seller already paid for it ). 3- You have five days to verify it ( you can do a test-drive , a RAC inspection, anything you like ) . The inspection period begins after you will receive the vehicle. In all this time, your funds will be held in our company account until you decide if you buy or send back the vehicle. 4- If you decide to send it back, our agent will come and collect it. You will receive your funds back in 48 hours ( before the agent will come to collect it you will have your money back ). Sounds very credible. The company has been around for 5 years according to Companies House.... But you never know, Has anyone else bought a car in this way? Or dealt with this company? Doing the deal this week, so any feedback appreciated.

Edited by Honestjohn on 27/10/2014 at 08:00

Too good to be true? - csgmart

According to one of the free company check web sites they look to be solvent and I couldn't see anything of any concern. That doesn't mean to say that you shouldn't do your own independent checks and dig a bit deeper but there was nothing in what I saw that made me at all uncomfortable.

For the record I have no connection with xxxxxxxxxxxxx.

Edited by Honestjohn on 27/10/2014 at 07:49

Too good to be true? - RT

Sounds like a scam to me - I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.

Edited by Honestjohn on 27/10/2014 at 07:49

Too good to be true? Buying car via MO2 Logistics - gordonbennet

Sounds like a scam to me - I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.

Nor me, the company may be completely legit, but someone has your dosh and you have what could turn out to be a turkey, or a ringed stolen cut'n'shut death trap, what happens in the meantime if the company goes up the wall.

When cars are attractively priced, there'll be a catch.

Too good to be true? - daveyjp

Its all a complete scam. Anyone can say they are a lady seller, anyone can find a company name. If someone wants to sell a car quickly and are happy to take a low price they drive it to the nearest second hand car selling pitch, park it up and sell it. Or they send it to auction.

Edited by Honestjohn on 27/10/2014 at 07:49

Too good to be true? - keefyyp

>>>someone has your dosh and you have what could turn out to be a turkey, or a ringed stolen cut'n'shut death trap,

Car is clear on HPI/Autocheck. Dealer history confirms stated record. Car has 1.5 years manufacturer warranty remaining. Phone number checks out with location of company and BT record. I have option to inspect before payment (but distance is an issue).

I am in the web business, so reasonably savvy on the nature of such scams. Everything I have checked out, rings true, but.....

Edited by Honestjohn on 27/10/2014 at 07:50

Too good to be true? - gordonbennet

Everything I have checked out, rings true, but.....

Yes and its that 'but' isn't it....if the car's kosher why is it going cheap enough to tempt you more than others, in fact why is it cheap at all?

I have no axe to grind either way, i drove a transporter for years and was unfortunate enough to be on several fast removals of stock from large car dealerships that went out of business, sometimes there would be people there in tears who had only the day before put deposits down on cars, this instances were rare but they happened to genuine decent people and someone must have know that these places were going bust even as they accepted hard earned deposits from these distressed people, some heads needed cracking.

Just be careful, thats all.

Edited by Honestjohn on 27/10/2014 at 07:50

Too good to be true? - keefyyp

Sounds like a scam to me - I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.

Sounds like a scam... but:

1. Companies House record is real

2. Co Director has real Linked In profile

3. No record on web recording any evidence of malpractice by individuals or company.

Edited by Honestjohn on 27/10/2014 at 07:51

Too good to be true? - daveyjp

Very poor website, including sentences which don't make sense. Website uses Americanisms Websites uses $ symbols Incorrect e-mail addresses Company address isn't apparent, contact is via a third party Company aren't near top of a Google search No feedback on company is a red flag. Websites mentions one member of staff started in the warehouse. Still convinced they are legit?

Edited by Honestjohn on 27/10/2014 at 07:51

Too good to be true? - Happy Blue!

I suspect this is the UK division of a US company and the website has not been fully converted. The c/o address is a firm of chartered accountants so you could check with them. I think they are legit, but I can think of better ways to secure client money. Not sure I would do it this way but can see what they are trying to achieve.

Edited by Honestjohn on 27/10/2014 at 07:52

Too good to be true? - RobJP

No chance.

If you are dead set on dealing with them, then offer to put the money into a solicitors escrow account, with a solicitor of your choosing, rather than to the company. State that you are uncomfortable doing it another way. Their reply will tell you all you need to know.

Basically, this is how this scam works : They haven't stolen a car as yet, but they've identified a car to steal. They've also identified another, identical-looking car, and noted the numberplates, and had a set made up. Probably got the keys cloned for the target car already. They wait for you to agree the sale, and pay into the 'company' account (which will have to be a different account, due to sudden, unexplained 'issues' with the 'official' company account). Now, they go steal that car, put the plates on it for the non-stolen car, and deliver it to you. No tax disc these days, so one less thing for you to check out. Also, they won't have the V5 (the owner has mislaid it in packing for the move) - but hey, that's fine, you can apply for it !

In most cases, you don't bother with the inspection, just apply for the V5. You've insured the car (not an issue, it isn't stolen, and if it shows up twice on insurers databases, they assume the old owner has sold it to you, and not cancelled as yet). Only when the letter from DVLA to the 'old' owner arrives, saying you've applied for a V5, do the problems start. Now DVLA get in touch with you, come and inspect the car, and you find that the VIN plates are those on a stolen car. You lose car, the money is long gone, and you are screwed.

If you DO get an inspection, then you still don't have the V5, so the AA/RAC can't check that the VIN/engine plates match the numberplate anyway. In addition, the V5 serial number is an essential part of getting full cover from HPI, etc, so without that you aren't covered by them for that either.

Whichever route you use, you are screwed. They took your greed (ripping off a desperate seller) and used it against you.

Edited by Honestjohn on 27/10/2014 at 07:52

Too good to be true? - keefyyp

Thanks for all the helpful comments.

I can see that the majority view is that there's a lilkely scam here. If not, the company is just what we need to protect us from such scams!

On their web site, xxxxxxxx tells the story of why he founded the business "xxxxxx" at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

A double bluff?

Or someone who has been scammed and has decided to provide a solution? If this is the case, and I go through with the deal and it works this thread will be a great advert for his business!

But if they are looking to grow their business, why is this code on the home page of their

What is this? It's an instruction to Google not to index, or archive the site. Why would anyone NOT want their site to be found.

Well they can be found now, because this discussion thread was indexed by Google 2 hours ago. :-)

They also state:

"xxxxxxxxxxxx is the recommended transaction settlement service of many of the top names in eCommerce, including British system Gumtree, eBay Motors and Autotrader"

I'm continuing my "due diligence". I'll let you know what I find out.

It's either a scam or a solution to beating the scammers!


Edited by Honestjohn on 27/10/2014 at 07:54

Too good to be true? - redcard

It's clearly a scam because of this alone:

4- If you decide to send it back, our agent will come and collect it. You will receive your funds back in 48 hours ( before the agent will come to collect it you will have your money back ).

They'll give you your money back while you still have the car? Likely!

Edited by Honestjohn on 27/10/2014 at 07:55

Too good to be true? SCAM WARNING - keefyyp

Got to the bottom of this.

It's a scam. Similar approach has been tried elsewhere. Different company name, different names for seller and agent.

Saved myself a few bob there, and hopefully have warned a few others.No doubt they will appear again and again under different company names.

THANKS for all the responses.

Edited by Honestjohn on 27/10/2014 at 07:55

Too good to be true? - RT
But if they are looking to grow their business, why is this code on the home page of their

What is this? It's an instruction to Google not to index, or archive the site. Why would anyone NOT want their site to be found.

That tells me all I want to know, to confirm my opinion.

Too good to be true? - Ed V

Anyone might think that used cars for sale are rare!!

Too good to be true? - lucklesspedestrian

Not original but.......

If it looks likes a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, chances are..........

Too good to be true? - dan86

It's a duck? Lol

Too good to be true? - bris
I have also been in contact with the same company about a ford ka with the seller in America the emails I receive from them and the lady selling the car the grammar is not good even on there website
Too good to be true? - gordonbennet

Keefy, i'm a little surprised that you allowed yourself to get dragged in as far as thinking you would conclude the deal this week, i suspect many of us here who smelled a well rotted rat are not anywhere near as 'computer savvy' as yourself, certainly i'm about as much use as a cow with a gun as far as the itinerent goes.

What convinced you that it was genuine, despite all the common sense warning signs being there.

I'm genuinly interested to learn how someone internet savvy can be so easily drawn in.

Too good to be true? - RobJP

How did he get drawn in ? Easy :

It's a bargain. If you don't get it, someone else will. Human nature is greedy. If you could buy a car for £15k, or if a desperate seller will sell you one for £10k, then you'll go a fair bit further to save that sort of money. If the putative 'seller' will jump through all sorts of hoops to 'prove' themselves, then that makes it just a little bit easier for you - after all, it's not going to be a risk, if they'll do all that lot.

All designed to get you talking yourself into believing them, and parting with the money.