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Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - RicardoB

For the last 15 years or more, I have always bought Saturday's DT, a big reason being the Motoring Section and in particular HJ's column.

As with everything, nothing stays the same forever, but has anyone else noticed the dilution of HJ's advice now mixed with other specialists? Maybe the number of questions coming in is reducing or so much has been said before?

Still buying it though, even though there is a certain "smugness" about some of the other writers, an increasing amount (IMO) of less relevant/realistic car tests/stories.

And another thing... there always seems to be something about Goodwood this and that. It's as bad as "The Horse of the Year show" on TV years' ago, that seemed to be on all the time!

Oh yes - I agree with HJ - oil and filter must be changed at least once a year, whatever your mileage - especially if low and a lot of short journeys!

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Ed V

Lord Whatisname certainly knows how to promote all things Goodwood. The story is one of unmatched commercial success. Good on 'im.

Perhaps he wines and dines the journos - it's might be enough. Mind you, the clever bit is that so much there is a one-off, so there's no real competition. Every customer I know will be going again - to horses and cars!

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Steveieb

I agree wholeheartedly with ED v. Honest Johns contributions do seem to be diluted by other contributors, who unlike him prefer to sit on the fence when deciding between marques.Also they do not deal with questions from the general motoring public who buy their own cars.

We are all much better informed due to HJ's pioneering approach and we should all be grateful for the progress he has made in Motoring Jounalism.

I subscibe to the Telegraph mainly to support HJ. But I understand that they have reduced the time he can spend on the columm. Apparenly a team of editors decide which letters are printed so we only see a fraction of the enquiries he receives.

The only way we are going to see things returned to the Motoring Section we enjoyed 10 years ago is to write to the editor of the paper asking for the balance to be returned to the HJ style of motoring jounalism.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Chris M

It's not just the Motoring section that's gone downhill, some other sections e.g. Your Money has become an advert for the various Telegraph offers like energy switching.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Bromptonaut

It's not just the Motoring section that's gone downhill, some other sections e.g. Your Money has become an advert for the various Telegraph offers like energy switching.

Same with all the papers. Unless/until they can make money from the web the quality press is going to the knackers.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Happy Blue!

The Telegrpah Property section used to be quiet interesting, but it has bcome a haven for the sellers of multi-million pound homes with none of the useful columns of yore (i.e. about three years ago). Waste of time now and it goes straight into the bin.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - jc2

For a start,it's no longer called "Motoring".

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Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Engineer Andy

Is it me or has HJ's collumn completely disappeared from the Telegraph (at least from the online version)? The last entry was in March.

IMO all we get now is (often) poorly-researched 'articles' (in my view often on a par with those from MSN and other 'non-expert' 'journalism' that appears to pervade the newspapers (now including 'broadheets) and the internet these days.

The Telegraph seems to be, IMO, trying to copy the Daily Mail in many respects - lots of 'gossip' articles, worthless 'advice' (the "well duh" stuff almost everyone knows) and 'Top 10' photo 'articles' rather than actual news reporting.

All the comments sections below articles (if they exist at all - many don't have them any more) are populated by agitators from, shall we say, the more extreme view points on each end of the political spectrum, and especially trolls from a certain purple political party who delight in shutting down proper (civilised) debate.

The other main problem I have is that the Telegraph appears to be so bloated with memory/processor-hungry ads and animations on the website, that it significantly slow down my Tablet PC (even my very powerful desktop PC has to up its game [I can hear the processor fan up its speed to cope with the higher usage]) so much that it often crashes.

Anyone else thinking of ditching the Telegraph? To be honest, I don't really know of another news outlet that offers quality reporting and that represents a common-sense, non-'Westminster Village', right-of-centre viewpoint without the shrill note/whiff of racism of (IMO) of some more extreme viewpoints.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - galileo

Just tried the Telegraph page, AdBlock instantly counted and stopped 11 ads.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - madf

I used to buy the DT on subscription. We stopped two years ago and buy Tuesday's and Saturday's.

And read the website for free.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Engineer Andy

I used to buy the DT on subscription. We stopped two years ago and buy Tuesday's and Saturday's.

And read the website for free.

You only get 20 free articles a month though.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - bathtub tom

You only get 20 free articles a month though.

There's ways round that!

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - madf

You only get 20 free articles a month though.

There's ways round that!

I would never have known...:-)

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Engineer Andy

Do tell!

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - madf

Do tell!

Chrome Incognito browsing,

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - bathtub tom

Do tell!

What's your browser?

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Engineer Andy

Just tried the Telegraph page, AdBlock instantly counted and stopped 11 ads.

I've installed Firefox (with Adblock plus [not quite as good as its Windows version, but ok], now that its available on Firefox [Android version]) on my tablet (as I have on my PC), and whilst it doesn't crash nearly all the time as the default internet program did (or Firefox before the Adblock Plus add-on was installed), its still dreadfully slow compared to almost all other websites.

Too much flashy graphics and Ads and not enough proper news reports IMO - if they're not careful, they'll drive away many previously loyal readers like me.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - madf

Chrome + Adblock = very fast on laptop for me. Same on desktop

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Engineer Andy

Chrome + Adblock = very fast on laptop for me. Same on desktop

I didn't realise that Adblock Plus was available on anything other than Firefox (my main reason for using it). I'll see if I can get Chrome (and ABP) on my Android Samsung Galaxy Tab2. On the DT and some other websites its like being back on an old 56.6 kb/s modem again!

Thanks.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - John F

Anyone else thinking of ditching the Telegraph?

To be honest, I don't really know of another news outlet that offers quality reporting and that represents a common-sense, non-'Westminster Village', right-of-centre viewpoint without the shrill note/whiff of racism of (IMO) of some more extreme viewpoints.

Yes. We only get it on Sat because of the motoring section and the xword - a sad ambition is to win a pen but despite weekly submissions never have. Trouble is, submissions have multiplied with the advent of Chambers and Big Dave's website so odds of success are increasingly remote.

Try 'The Times' - IMHO a far better newspaper.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Falkirk Bairn

The Telegraph . for a good couple of years, or more, has been cutting back. SENIOR Full time Staff have disappeared & we now have them replaced with more junior newbies. Equally DT used to employ many contributors, like HJ, that enriched the DT offering with weekly articles on a whole plethora of topics - IT, Motoring, Legal....... Some of the articles still appear but are bland / watered down in comparison to what we had & we we liked.

Apparently the DT owners are keen to make money and, as circulations fall for most newspapers, cost cutting is rife.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Engineer Andy

The Telegraph . for a good couple of years, or more, has been cutting back. SENIOR Full time Staff have disappeared & we now have them replaced with more junior newbies. Equally DT used to employ many contributors, like HJ, that enriched the DT offering with weekly articles on a whole plethora of topics - IT, Motoring, Legal....... Some of the articles still appear but are bland / watered down in comparison to what we had & we we liked.

Apparently the DT owners are keen to make money and, as circulations fall for most newspapers, cost cutting is rife.

God knows what the Red Tops have done to 'keep up' in this regard (maybe 'writing' in text speak [or should that be txtspk?] - I'm not really sure they could in all good conscience call themselves newspapers any more. Sad indictment on modern life...

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Avant

"Apparently the DT owners are keen to make money and, as circulations fall for most newspapers, cost cutting is rife."

Every business, not least newspaper owners, are keen to make money - that's why they're in business. But too often directors think in terms of short-term gain, and getting rid of good journalists and popular features is hardly the way to increase circulation.

I couldn't get my usual Times one day last week (on holiday in Scotland) and the Telegraph seemed a poor substitute. Subjectively there seemed much less of interest than last time I read the Telegraph.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Engineer Andy

"Apparently the DT owners are keen to make money and, as circulations fall for most newspapers, cost cutting is rife."

Every business, not least newspaper owners, are keen to make money - that's why they're in business. But too often directors think in terms of short-term gain, and getting rid of good journalists and popular features is hardly the way to increase circulation. Indeed - like television, dumbing down is the order of the day. The same (getting rid of good experienced staff) happened at my Dad's firm 20 years ago [he took early retirement in his early 50s on a very nice settlement package] as a cost-cutting measure from 'management consultants [to be honest, just doing what the firm's top brass wanted] - they ended up losing huge amounts of business to rivals [they'd been a steady but unspectacular firm for many years, but had a great reputation amongst industry insiders and clients] and were bought out only a few years later by, yes you've guessed it, a foreign firm, who are far less regarded in their field. Sad to say I can see the DT evtnually dying off once all the only 'readers' left are the trolls on the comments sections.

I couldn't get my usual Times one day last week (on holiday in Scotland) and the Telegraph seemed a poor substitute. Subjectively there seemed much less of interest than last time I read the Telegraph. Quite a difference in cost between subscribing to the Telegraph and Times, but if it brings better quality journalism, then its probably worth paying the extra. Prices have gone up a lot at the Telegraph in recent years - I only paid £40 for the website-only access at first (only a couple of years ago), now £75 pa (Times £2 pw / £104 pa).

Maybe HJ should try and move over to The Times if the Telegraph has sidelined his collumn.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - RicardoB

No need for HJ to move anywhere - all his excellent info and answers to readers is on this very site! (i.e. his site - this one)

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - daveyjp

With this type of 'advice' I would seek a different advisor.

My wife has received a parking charge notice for overstaying in a 1-hour car park. Apparently she entered the car park at 11.57 and 15 seconds and left at 13:19 and 37 seconds on the same day, resulting in a 22 minute overstay. I am pretty sure that they do have signs up regarding the 1 hour stay that is free, but think a charge of £45 if paid within 14 days or £90 if paid within 28 days is a bit steep. Do you have any suggestions regarding this charge. It has been made by Civil Enforcement Ltd, Exchange Flags, Liverpool.

CB, via email

Pay up. On 23rd April the Appeal Court ruled in favour of parking enforcement agents, legalising such penalties as a “commercially justified deterrent” as long as the charges (£85 in this case, rising to £150 for non-payment) are not “not extravagant or unconscionable”. For this to change, the Supreme Court would have to rule against the Appeal Court decision:

No need to pay. The Court case had very specific circumstances, it is being appealed and there are potentially plenty of other reasons the ticket can be seen off without paying a bean.

Pepipoo and MSE can assist.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - Engineer Andy

Don't be surprised that his telegraph collumn made him a reasonable amount of money compared to this website, which gets its revenue from Ads alone. We're lucky not to have to pay to join - many magazines now (not necessarily motoring ones - more computers and suchlike) have started charging subs for website membership to (like the DT and other newspapers) offset the large reduction in print sales.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - concrete

Quite agree that changes to the Telegraph, especially Saturdays edition, have not been for best. Cars, as my favourite supplement is now called has really been watered down. A few years ago we got at least three or more pages of HJ comments in answer to readers questions. Now we are lucky to get two and of these HJ only comments on a small percentage. A real pity, as someone pointed out his hard won experience within the motor trade made for some interesting and illuminating comments. Also the cars on test are not really a representaive section of what the majority of motorists buy. It has gone all 'Top Gear', with smoke, flashes and vehicles few of us could run. Shame, but at least The Times keeps up a good standard. I wonder if The Times would be interested in having HJ to run a proper motoring section? Dream on.

Yours in hope. Concrete

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - hillman

The newspapers seem to be ‘retiring’ their experienced staff and dumbing down; such as relying more on spell checkers and less on proof reading editors.

Do the BRs think that journalism has also become poor across the motoring press ? A recent edition of the Auto Express had an article comparing the Skoda Superb with the Subaru Outback. One of the BRs wrote not too long ago that the rating given to a car related to the advertising revenue from the maker. The Skoda came out top and the reasons given were specious to the normal reader, eg, the Subaru had dated features, the styling was wrong, the touch screen got finger marks etc. A recent edition of the Top Gear magazine had solo reports on the two cars, on facing pages so it was easy to compare the comments. Both cars got an overall rating of 8, which is high for that magazine. What shows that the writer is young and inexperienced is the comment that the Subaru has ‘squidgey’ tyres that make the ride more comfortable. It’s as if the writer has the idea that the hard rubber strip tyres are the real norm instead of a styling feature.

Talking of Telegraph Motoring... - galileo

The newspapers seem to be ‘retiring’ their experienced staff and dumbing down; such as relying more on spell checkers and less on proof reading editors.

I'd be surprised if any newspapers still employ proof readers (daughter was a proof reader, some 10 years ago she was made redundant "journalists must check their own articles" was the company's new policy).

Not just newspapers and magazines, I find errors in books too, not just spellings and grammar but also "facts" which are plainly wrong.