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None - Sister attacked by two cats - Armitage Shanks {p}

Excuse non-motoring subject, I have to start somewhere! I am aware of the different ways in which the law regards cats, as opposed to dogs. Yesterday my sister was out walking her small dog, on a lead and totally under control, in a residential street. The dog was not barking or pulling on the lead. Two small cats appeared, arched their backs and hissed and then attacked the dog, a small Cairn terrier. My sister picked up the dog to protect it, and the cats tried to climb up her to get at the dog.

My sister has a medical condition which casues her to bleed easily. She managed to scare the cats off but was left with deep lacerations on both her legs and large pools of her blood on the pavement. Went to A&E and had woundscleaned up, tetanus jab etc. She know who owns the cats and where they live. Doe she have any recourse in law for her injuries and the unprovoked attack by these cats? Thanks in advance.

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None - Sister attacked by two cats - RobJP

Pretty sure that cats are treated in the law entirely differently to dogs, and what would be an 'owner' for a dog is viewed as a 'keeper'. As such, they are not responsible in law for the animals actions. Cats are viewed as 'free spirits', as they cannot be tamed.

Picking up a dog in that situation is, however, asking for it. For whatever reason, the cats viewed the dog as a threat, and attacked. Getting in the way is how you guarantee becoming collateral damage. Far better to let the dog ramain on the ground, and to act as a threat to the cats. As soon as they realise that the human (much bigger) is a threat, they will retreat.

Note : just checked the law, so edited the above (I'd suggested launching a kick at the cats). Cats are considered goods, so launching a kick at one could be considered at attempt at criminal damage.

Edited by RobJP on 06/08/2014 at 11:49

None - Sister attacked by two cats - bathtub tom

I thought cats were regarded as wild animals and their owner/keeper/feeder couldn't be held responsible for their actions.

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Andrew-T

I thought cats were regarded as wild animals and their owner/keeper/feeder couldn't be held responsible for their actions.

I believe the term for cats is 'unbiddable' - in other words an owner is expected to be in control of a dog, but not a cat.

None - Sister attacked by two cats - FP

I think that if a cat was known to its owner to be in the habit of attacking people, or dogs, there might be a chance of making a case, the legal argument hinging on the exercise of due care. However, establishing the prior behaviour of the cat and of its owner's awareness would probably be very difficult.

The OP's sister's medical condition is unfortunate, but does not affect the legal situation.

Picking up the dog made her position more vulnerable, but again, I don't feel this affects the legal issues.

The behaviour of these cats is interesting; it is unusual but not unknown for cats to work in pairs - I have witnessed this.

There's probably not a lot to be done. An exploratory approach to a solicitor could be tried, but the whole thing could very quickly become an unsuccessful - and expensive - operation.

None - Sister attacked by two cats - SlidingPillar

Has to be said, are you getting the full story?

Generally cats do not indule in dog bating/attacking etc and usually if they did - there would be a lot of history. I've only known one cat fight a dog, but in this case the dog was stupid enough to appoach the cat which was suning itself on our front step, and got a cut nose as a reward.

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Andrew-T

There was an amusing American video shown on TV a few months ago where a cat appeared from nowhere to attack a dog which had set upon a toddler whose family owned the cat. Rather like something from You've Been Framed.

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Armitage Shanks {p}

I have posted the full but simple story. Thanks for the input so far. My sister instictively acted to protect her dog, I guess. The advice I have had here in my own village is for her to take some legal bit of equipment with her like a walking stick or an aluminium ski pole, as used by some walkers, with which to whack the felines.

None - Sister attacked by two cats - bathtub tom

>> take some legal bit of equipment with her like a walking stick

Cats hate water, a water pistol may be as effective.

None - Sister attacked by two cats - galileo

>> take some legal bit of equipment with her like a walking stick

Cats hate water, a water pistol may be as effective.

Beware of nervous, short sighted witnesses reporting a gun to 999 and an Armed Response Team turning up!

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Andrew-T

I think most people going about their normal everyday lives don't rate the possibility of being attacked by cats or other 'wild' animals high enough to be prepared for. On the other hand 'going equipped' may have its own risks, as galileo has pointed out.

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Ordovices

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Edited by Avant on 08/08/2014 at 23:10

None - Sister attacked by two cats - RobJP

AVANT, could that post be removed immediately, as it proposes poisoning a living creature.

That's the sort of post I'd be tempted to report to the police, which would result in the posters door being battered in, regarding his assisting in a conspiracy to commit a crime under animal welfare legislation/WACA.

Edited by Avant on 08/08/2014 at 23:05

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Avant

Agreed. I realise that Ordovices's post was tongue-in-cheek (at least I hope it was) but we don't want to suggest cruelty.

Bear in mind that 99.9999 recurring % of cats are harmless to humans. When we had cats, ours were harmless to all other species as well. They were so lazy that they were almost Franciscan in their philanthropic attitude to birds and rodents.

Edited by Avant on 08/08/2014 at 23:11

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Ordovices

AVANT, could that post be removed immediately, as it proposes poisoning a living creature.

Not unlike driving a fossil fuel powered car then.

That's the sort of post I'd be tempted to report to the police,

Crack on then and report it.

which would result in the posters door being battered in

I reckon they'd try knocking first

regarding his assisting in a conspiracy to commit a crime

Proving conspiracy from a four word sentence would be a toughy.

You need to have a word with yourself.

This is from the RSPB web site:

Cats may take millions of birds every year, but from a conservation viewpoint, we need to consider whether this is causing bird populations to decline.

Edited by Ordovices on 09/08/2014 at 11:22

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Soichiro
What's the relevance of the RSPB.
I doubt they condone poisoning cats either.

Edited by Soichiro on 09/08/2014 at 11:30

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Andrew-T

AVANT, could that post be removed immediately, as it proposes poisoning a living creature.

Not unlike driving a fossil fuel powered car then.

What a silly comparison - it might take too long to fend off an attacking cat by blowing your car exhaust at it.

I must assume that you aren't a cat lover, Ordo ?

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Armitage Shanks {p}

Thank you - futher input. My sister went to her GP and was patched up, using old fashioned iodine!, and given a tetanus jab. The next day her arm was sore and she had a dizzy turn and fainted and has two black eyes to add to the feline wounds. I don't think a walking stick or a ski pole would count as "Going prepared" - I hope

None - Sister attacked by two cats - focussed

Thank you - futher input. My sister went to her GP and was patched up, using old fashioned iodine!, and given a tetanus jab. The next day her arm was sore and she had a dizzy turn and fainted and has two black eyes to add to the feline wounds. I don't think a walking stick or a ski pole would count as "Going prepared" - I hope

Hmmm- female dog walker-armed with a walking stick? Got to be an armed response unit call at least!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1064338/Police-co...l

None - Sister attacked by two cats - alan1302

Thank you - futher input. My sister went to her GP and was patched up, using old fashioned iodine!, and given a tetanus jab. The next day her arm was sore and she had a dizzy turn and fainted and has two black eyes to add to the feline wounds. I don't think a walking stick or a ski pole would count as "Going prepared" - I hope

Hmmm- female dog walker-armed with a walking stick? Got to be an armed response unit call at least!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1064338/Police-co...l

A classic headline that doesn't tell the whole truth of the story!

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Armitage Shanks {p}

This will be the same lot who recently tazered a blind man because they thought his white stick was a sword! www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-26729965

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Ordovices

No, not a cat lover, cat hater would be closer to the mark. A more useless and destructive pet would be difficult to imagine, and anyone who thinks that their cat is different doesn't understand nature's redness in tooth and claw.

The only domestic cats I like are the dead ones spread across the carriageway. But there again, it's only a personal opinion.

My point about the car is that poisoning is only a matter of timescale. I wonder if the same concern is shown for rats being poisoned as a pest control measure? Well that is how I see "domestic" cats, just another nuisance.

None - Sister attacked by two cats - double_tap_that

That comment, my friend is totally innopriopriate, and comments like this that incites killing of pets is wrong and should be reported.

Thats my personal belief.

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Andrew-T

The only domestic cats I like are the dead ones spread across the carriageway. But there again, it's only a personal opinion.

Hmmm. This is a jaundiced view. I don't think there can be any doubt that dogs do more harm to humans by attacking them than cats ever did. That's why this tale is unusual.

I accept that (some) cats catch birds or small creatures, often with no real purpose, and don't do what they are told in the way dogs do. But they have their own attractions.

None - Sister attacked by two cats - thunderbird

The only domestic cats I like are the dead ones spread across the carriageway

That is one of the most disgusting comments I have ever read on this forum. I would love to see what action could be taken against the writer. The anonimity of the internet allows such people to write such comments. The poster would never stand in a public place and say such a thing.

Cats are a hunting creature by nature, by killing birds and other small animals they are only doing what comes naturally. They have never been domesticated but live with man because it suits them.

Most domestic dogs have had the hunting instinct bread out of them. Over the ages dogs have been domesticated to work to mans advantage.

For the record we have a dog and 2 cats.

I hope the writer of the comment thinks about what he has written very carefully.

Or perhaps the write is a typical internet troll wanting people to react.

If they are it looks like they have succeeded.

None - Sister attacked by two cats - galileo

You aren't by any chance the scientist, Clive Mowforth, who sent the threatening leaflets to cat owners in Dursley?

If not, I'm sure the two of you would get along really well!

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Armitage Shanks {p}
Local cat expert has advised that my sister should carry some sort of non- noxious aerosol - air freshener or deodorant perhaps
None - Sister attacked by two cats - Soichiro
You aren't by any chance the scientist, Clive Mowforth, who sent the threatening leaflets to cat owners in Dursley?

If not, I'm sure the two of you would get along really well!



Was just wondering the same thing myself.
Maybe they could get a house in the country together.
Preferably in another country, say Iran.

Edited by Soichiro on 10/08/2014 at 22:41

None - Sister attacked by two cats - Avant

I'm going to lock this thread, in the hope that AS feels that his perfectly reasonable request for views was answered by the first few points.

Ordovices, although a forum like this should be a vehicle for free speech, the way you express your dislike of cats is needlessly offensive. Please don't post anything like that again.